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    Question What do you think about the new net neutrality rules set in place?

    I am curious to hear what others think about the new rules that have been set in place? Where do you think the future lie ahead with streaming?

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    Default Re: What do you think about the new net neutrality rules set in place?

    ^^^ you might scroll down to the 'SAVE the internet' thread ...

    IMHO at least, I am concerned about potential future negative impacts on companies reliant on a 'high bandwidth at no additional cost' business model ... which includes both Netflix and adult webcam. For the moment, the new FCC regulations would appear to rule out 'high bandwidth' users from being charged a higher price to compensate for their higher bandwidth usage. But the same new FCC regulations would also appear to strongly discourage additional 'private' investment in future internet backbone bandwidth capacity increases, because the investor companies can't charge extra to recover their investment. Logically, this may lead to a future 'bandwidth shortage' which could put all 'high bandwidth at no additional cost' business models at risk.
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    Default Re: What do you think about the new net neutrality rules set in place?

    I'm halfway through the law (yes, I'm reading the WHOLE thing). It's somewhat ambiguous, but it's nowhere like Melonie describes it. Once I finish, I'll break it down for all SWers.





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    Default Re: What do you think about the new net neutrality rules set in place?

    Thanks! Enjoy reading your views on these type of important matters.

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    Default Re: What do you think about the new net neutrality rules set in place?

    To provide a bit of perspective, the recently released FCC regulations regarding 'net neutrality' are just the latest development. In point of fact, the FCC has attempted to enact 'net neutrality' regulations several times over the course of the past several years. Those FCC attempts have already resulted in a number of lawsuits ... most of which have been decided against the FCC. It has been argued that the recent release of the latest FCC 'net neutrality' regulations was a direct response to the FCC recently losing a lawsuit brought by Verizon against the FCC's earlier attempt to enforce an 'Open Internet Order'.

    The most important take-away arguably is that it is NOT the latest FCC regulations themselves which need to be worried about, but what's left of the FCC regulations after the courts rule on them. And to that end, a consortium of major internet backbone providers like Verizon, AT&T etc. have just launched new lawsults against the FCC's most recently released regulations. If past experience is an indicator, it will take several more years for these new lawsuits ( and subsequent appeals, etc. ) to work their way through the courts ... thus several more years before the major internet backbone providers, high bandwidth website operators, high bandwidth internet users etc. will actually know for certain what 'rules' they must operate under in the future ( and thus what financial impact those 'rules' may have on their business model ).

    In the meantime, of course, with yet more 'uncertainty' in regard to future 'rules' ... and, specifically, 'uncertainty' in regard to the internet backbone providers' ability to recover their investment in internet backbone capacity improvements ... the internet backbone providers already have, or very probably will, cut back on additional internet backbone capacity increases. This is expected to create a situation where the amount of internet backbone 'traffic' will continue to grow significantly thanks in large part to the growth of high bandwidth streaming video providers like Netflix, Sony, Dish Network etc. ( who are now somewhat reassured that the internet backbone providers can't charge them or their customers extra fees, in the short term at least ), while the amount of internet backbone bandwidth capacity to handle that 'traffic' remains stagnant. This obviously has the potential to create a future situation where 100% of existing internet backbone capacity is being utilized in certain areas, resulting in an 'equal' slowdown of internet video streams ... including adult webcam video streams.

    If there is a 'new wrinkle' involved with the latest FCC 'net neutrality' regulations, it is that the FCC - for the first time - is attempting to assert increased authority over the internet backbone providers by reclassifying the US internet as a 'public utility' ... thus bringing into play existing laws which regulate electric utilities, land line phone utilities, cable TV utilities, etc. If allowed to stand by the courts, this reclassification could produce profound changes throughout the industry. However, given the slow grinding nature of court review, it's probably not even worth speculating about at this point in time.
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    Default Re: What do you think about the new net neutrality rules set in place?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    I'm halfway through the law (yes, I'm reading the WHOLE thing). It's somewhat ambiguous, but it's nowhere like Melonie describes it. Once I finish, I'll break it down for all SWers.
    Reading the entire thing is pointless, IMO. It was written to confuse the public with all it's overly complicated language and rules. It's all extremely redundant and ridiculous. I realized after I tried reading it that I was wasting my time.


    "Simplify, simplify, simplify." I'm with Henry David Thoreau on this one. If only the FCC could keep it relatively simple, we could all stop scratching our heads trying to play into this cat and mouse maze disaster of a law system.

    It's almost impossible talking about this without getting political. Damnit.

    Here's the relevant thread with more info. on this matter: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...E-the-internet!!!
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    Default Re: What do you think about the new net neutrality rules set in place?

    ^^^ there's one aspect which can easily be discussed without involving politics. As written, the new FCC regulations are guaranteed to require years worth of court deliberations for judges to decide on a case by case, issue by issue, basis what the new FCC regulations will actually mean in 'real world' terms. In the meantime, of course, hundreds of millions of dollars will be spent on attorneys instead of internet backbone capacity improvements.

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    Default Re: What do you think about the new net neutrality rules set in place?

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    In the meantime, of course, hundreds of millions of dollars will be spent on attorneys instead of internet backbone capacity improvements.
    On the bright side, we can hope that those attorneys take their earnings to their local strip clubs!

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    Default Re: What do you think about the new net neutrality rules set in place?

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ there's one aspect which can easily be discussed without involving politics. As written, the new FCC regulations are guaranteed to require years worth of court deliberations for judges to decide on a case by case, issue by issue, basis what the new FCC regulations will actually mean in 'real world' terms. In the meantime, of course, hundreds of millions of dollars will be spent on attorneys instead of internet backbone capacity improvements.
    I doubt internet service providers will be spending hundreds of millions of dollars on attorney fees, and even if they did, it's just a drop in the bucket for them. Comcast's operating income for 2014 was $14.9 billion.

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    Default Re: What do you think about the new net neutrality rules set in place?

    Well since it is business (content providers) vs Business (bandwidth) at least we don't have to turn it into a populist issue. IMHO the oligopoly/monopoly of telecom peeps got greedy and forgot who in fact creates the demand for their product - the content providers. I as a consumer pay for access to content and the speed at which I access it. If there weren't Netflix or Youtube, I wouldn't need 15mbs internet. I could pay for 1200baud dialup.

    It is total bullshit that the telecoms want to get money from both ends.

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    I doubt internet service providers will be spending hundreds of millions of dollars on attorney fees, and even if they did, it's just a drop in the bucket for them. Comcast's operating income for 2014 was $14.9 billion.
    Indeed, the galactically deep pockets of the litigants also guarantees that they'll keep appealing for years. Not meaning to speculate, but some of my business acquaintances are of the opinion that companies like Comcast will allow / encourage their internet backbone sections to become 100% congested, for the express purpose of causing Netflix and other internet video streams to start glitching and buffering. The implied purpose, of course, would be to cause dissatisfaction and frustration for Netflix customers, to the point where some of those customers would return to purchasing Comcast sponsored Cable TV movie channels. Obviously, if all internet video streams must now be treated 'equally', a side effect could be similar glitch-filled and buffer-laden video streams for adult webcams.


    It is total bullshit that the telecoms want to get money from both ends
    Again, not meaning to speculate, but some of my business acquaintances point out that the Comcasts have invested in both the source programming, as well as in the infrastructure to deliver that source programming to paying customers. In contrast, Netflix has only invested in source programming, and is relying on being allowed to use the infrastructure they didn't invest a nickel in to deliver their source programming to paying customers without Netflix or Netflix customers being charged a nickel extra for that 'delivery'. This will obviously become a major topic of future litigation.
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    Think of content as the product just like something you bought on Amazon. I as the consumer am more than happy to pay for the shipping and I do by paying for the bandwidth to get it. There is no reason for content providers to pay for shipping because I do via my internet connection.

    As far as back bone, there is so much fiber optic cable laid, we will never use it. Because of a technology advance, they were able to increase the amount of data sent over fiber that then never expected when the laid the cable.. i.e. level 3 communication, etc. Instead of a white light pulse over a single cable, they are able to split it into color bandwidth. imagine blue, red , green, etc.

    As far as telecoms not investing in back bone, actions speak louder than words and the fact is they really haven,t. They charge us for bandwidth but don't deliver it because they are bad service providers. That is what happens when you have a monopolistic system.

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    Think of content as the product just like something you bought on Amazon. I as the consumer pay for the shipping by paying for the bandwidth to get it. There is no reason for content providers to pay for faster shipping because I do via my internet connection.

    As far as back bone, there is so much fiber optic cable laid, we will never use it. Because of a technology advances, they were able to increase the amount of data sent over fiber that they never expected when the laid the cable.. i.e. level 3 communication, etc. Instead of a white light pulse over a single cable, they are able to split it into many color bandwidths. imagine blue, red , green, etc.
    http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money...erstocks_N.htm

    As far as telecoms not investing in back bone, actions speak louder than words and the fact is they really haven,t. They charge us for high speed bandwidth but don't deliver it because they are bad service providers. That is what happens when you have a monopolistic system. If you have a ton of customers subscribing for high speed internet and the provider has a bottle neck to the internet, that is not the fault of the content provider it is bad performance by the telecom.

    And remember, the content provider does in fact also pay for internet connectivitity to supply the content. The whole bullshit issue is the ability of the telecom to create different levels of service and hold content providers hostage for service levels by slowing down their content delivery ON PURPOSE.


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    The whole bullshit issue is the ability of the telecom to create different levels of service and hold content providers hostage for service levels by slowing down their content delivery ON PURPOSE.
    This is more or less precisely what my business acquaintances were saying. The only difference is whether or not the ( future ) slowdowns can be proven to be 'purposeful' acts on the part of the internet backbone providers, versus an 'unavoidable' byproduct of increased internet backbone traffic levels exceeding existing internet backbone / routing capacity.

    And yes new technologies are already / will become available which would allow more bandwidth to be 'crammed' down existing fiber optics. However, for this to happen it would require the internet backbone owner companies to invest in such new technology out of the goodness of their hearts, since the latest FCC rules say they can't charge extra. As discussed earlier, the latest FCC rules provide a strong dis-incentive for such future investment ... at least until the point where a future bandwidth 'crisis' results in an FCC mandate that such investment be made, and the FCC potentially shifts the costs of such investment away from the newly reclassified 'regulated utility' backbone providers and onto the newly reclassified 'regulated utility' internet customers. But this puts us back in speculation mode, which I have been trying very hard to avoid.

    Again not wanting to speculate, but Netflix is already investing heavily in its own so-called 'Open Connect' hardware ... which essentially stores Netflix content at local internet routing centers for 24/7 local delivery to local customers, and only updates content in the middle of the night when internet backbone traffic is at its lowest levels. See And, along similar lines, Facebook just announced that it will 'bypass' the internet backbone via a new fleet of drone aircraft. See . Obviously, these companies are preparing for 'something', or they wouldn't be spending all of this money and going through all of this trouble !!!

    Unfortunately, LIVE video stream businesses, including adult webcam hosts, cannot avail themselves of a Netflix-esque 'band-aid' solution of storing content locally to side-step internet backbone slowdowns during 'peak' hours. LIVE video stream businesses need sufficient internet backbone speed to carry the camgirl's video stream to the webcam host's nearest server, and also need sufficient internet backbone speed to carry the 'rebroadcast' video stream from the webcam host's server to paying customers, at the moment the customer wants to 'buy' the camgirl's live video stream. Adult webcam companies are also too small to pay for 'alternate path' solutions to future internet backbone congestion / slowdowns in the way that Facebook can. This is the core reason for my own worries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    This is more or less precisely what my business acquaintances were saying. The only difference is whether or not the ( future ) slowdowns can be proven to be 'purposeful' acts on the part of the internet backbone providers, versus an 'unavoidable' byproduct of increased internet backbone traffic levels exceeding existing internet backbone / routing capacity.

    And yes new technologies are already / will become available which would allow more bandwidth to be 'crammed' down existing fiber optics. However, for this to happen it would require the internet backbone owner companies to invest in such new technology out of the goodness of their hearts, since the latest FCC rules say they can't charge extra.
    Internet service providers don't invest in new technology out of the goodness of their hearts. They invest so that they can continue to get people to pay them $50 - $100 a month for their services. If they don't provide good service, they're going to start losing customers. Computers and internet speed has always been getting faster. There's no reason to believe that's going to change.

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    ^^^ Complete agreement on this point. However, keep in mind that the new FCC rules cover not only 'last mile' providers who directly serve 'retail' customers ( who are likely to actually have competitive local options available ), but also internet backbone providers serving 'wholesale' customers ( where competitive options are limited to such things as developing and deploying your own fleet of solar powered drones equipped with internet repeaters i.e. creating your own physical nationwide 'private network' ).

    No matter how good or how fast the services available from a 'last mile' provider might be, unless the content source, the content server, and the destination 'retail' customer, are all within the 'last mile' provider's immediate area, the speeds which can be delivered to 'retail' customers by that 'last mile' provider are still going to be limited by how fast the internet backbone ( or some alternate route i.e. the future fleet of repeater drones ) can transmit distant source content to that 'last mile' provider's area for them to deliver to 'retail' customers.

    In terms of analogies, the 'last mile' providers charging $50 a month ( or whatever ) you're referring to are roughly equivalent to a city subway system ... with a 'good' city subway system able to move people throughout the city at high speeds. The internet backbone providers I'm referring to is roughly equivalent to the city's public airport, which provides the means to move people into that city from other cities / states / countries. If that city's airport is congested, a person flying in from another state may be delayed for several hours before they are able to land at that city's public airport. Thus the fact that the person flying in from another state can then travel via the city's 'good' subway to reach their actual destination in 10 minutes versus 30 minutes, after they have already landed several hours late for a 'customer' meeting as a result of the city's congested public airport, is of little consequence to that person's unhappy 'customer'.
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    Default Re: What do you think about the new net neutrality rules set in place?

    The FCC decided to summarize those 400 pages into four pages. Here there are. Sorry for the delay (i had have tons of stuff under my shoulders). PM for more details about this, for I had read most of it, except for the index 'cause nobody really needs to really needs to read ALL the index when using the ctrl+f function. I do not want to turn this into a political discussion.


    http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Rele...C-331869A1.pdf



    This is an official release from the FCC themselves; not some blog nor news source.





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    ^^^ again, I will point out that it will ultimately be the courts, and not the FCC itself, which will determine the 'realities' of the new internet regulations. Thus all we can really do at this point is 'sit back and wait'.

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    Default Re: What do you think about the new net neutrality rules set in place?

    About half way through it myself. If it weren't for all of the footnotes it would probably only be 200 pages long. Agree with Melonie, the courts will have a big influence on how all of it will actually be implemented.

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    Default Re: What do you think about the new net neutrality rules set in place?

    for what it's worth, the LA Times published this today ...

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    Default Re: What do you think about the new net neutrality rules set in place?

    In the way of another update ...

    Today Netflix announced that it added 2,280,000 additional US customers during the first quarter of 2015. This is arguably attributable, at least in part, to the recent FCC announcement which would assure that Netflix, and Netflix subscribers, will not be subjected to higher internet access charges as the result of their much higher than average bandwidth usage.

    While the number of 'new' Netflix subscribers represents just under 1% of total US internet users, the addition of those subscribers caused Netflix 'peak bandwidth load' on the US internet backbone to increase from 31% to 34%. Yes that's correct - Netflix alone is now responsible for 34% of all US internet bandwidth usage during peak periods. While no published data is available to show how much 'peak bandwidth load' is being created by other internet services / websites, nor how much US internet backbone 'capacity' still remains unused, the remaining 'capacity' of the US internet backbone would appear to have dropped by 3% in the past 3 months as a result of Netflix alone.

    As stated previously, my concerns focus on the resulting effects when the available unused US internet backbone capacity falls to zero ... at which point all US internet traffic will be equally slowed down under the recent FCC rules. Based on today's Netflix announcement, some simple math, and some intelligent guesswork, it would appear that the zero unused US internet backbone capacity situation could arrive in a matter of 1-2 years. In that same timeframe, the lawsuits will probably just be transitioning to the appeals courts.
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