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    My post is why do we worry so much about what other dancers/staff/people consider a good/decent/bad night? Where the best city or town to dance in is? If a upscale club is better to work at earnings wise than a dive or neighborhood club? Why do we care if you are or if any of the other posters on here are top earners at their club? If certain races/body types/heights/hair colors/ breast or ass sizes make more money than others? If age determines how much you can make? If certain parts of the country have more money in it than others?

    I feel that just in general we as people are super competitive. We spend so much time trying to keep other with others. Worry about yourself! What may work for one person may not work for another. A dancer could bank in (insert town or club) and you may not bank there. You could even be a so called top earner and not bank there. There could be many reasons why. Maybe you tried a slow week, maybe other dancers have big money regulars, maybe there was a holiday around the time you worked and you didn't do well. Sometimes some clubs/towns don't work for people. Maybe there is just enough money to go around for a few dancers but not all of them.

    Girls with larger or fake breasts DO NOT make more money than someone with no breasts or small breasts. It's all in how you hustle, the clientele at the club you work, and yes appearance can be a factor but its not the sole factor.

    I've been dancing for 11 years. Ive seen girls that I thought were too old, too ugly too fat, too this or too that make money and some not make money. Let's face it men are pigs and like variety.

    Some blacks dancers make more than white dancers. Some white dancers make more than Hispanic dancers. Some fat, ugly, tall, short, blonde dancers make more or less than others (get my point). It is what it is!

    There is no for sure look that makes more money. Men like different things.

    Some girls make more $$ in boom towns, small towns, big cities, dives, or neighborhood bars.

    Some girls make good money no matter the conditions or locations of a strip club.

    Like I read in a other thread this forum is anonymous. You don't know 100% that anything you are reading is true or not true unless you know the poster or worked for or are currently working at the club talked about in the thread.

    Another thing - whether you average 50, 200, 500, 700, 1200 etc. A night...do you even save any of it? This is really about saving not how much you made.

    For example:

    GIRL A averages 500 per night and works 100 shifts a year = 50,000
    GIRL B averages 200 a night and works 200 shifts a year = 40,0000
    GIRL C average 700 a night and works 150 shifts a year = 105,000

    My point is there is so many variables. What if GIRL C who clearly makes more blows most of her money on clothes, makeup, drugs, cigs, gambling, partying (insert another habit or hobby) GIRL A could be making half as much but what is she saved half or even a quarter of what she earned? It really means nothing if you dance for 10, 20, 30 years and you have nothing or very little to show for it. I personally know someone who is 52 now and has danced for 35 years. She tells me the stories of the THOUSANDS per night she made not a thousand in a night. I SAID THOUSANDS. Well guess what she has nothing. No home paid off, No car, No investments. No savings etc. So who cares if she made 10 million dancing in her career she has none of it now. (Not hating on her but just sharing this information as an example). It doesn't even mean she is stupid. We have all done it - maybe on a lesser scale. But it is what it is!

    Hopefully you all can understand where I am coming from. We need to stop comparing ourselves and being so competitive. It's all for nothing anything. Its all about the long term not the short term.

    My only advice would be in any job is work hard and save your money no matter how much or how little you make per night. Don't worry about the next dancer and how they look or how much she made. I myself have not been perfect - we all have our ups and downs thru life. For example a dancer once confided in me that she had 57K saved up in her house and that her boyfriend at the time stole all the money
    I even had a second dancer tell me how a woman that she trusted stole 90,000 from her and this is dancer money. But they did not put it in their bank accounts. They let the money sit in their houses. Even me myself once had quite a bit of money stolen from me so I would also advise never to have plenty of money laying around in your house and be careful of who you bring into your home. Just do you and be happy. Work hard and save. Or be lazy and blow all the money you make. Don't take any of the money that you make now for granted. If you make a G a night good for you - Save it! Travel! Buy houses and cars. Open a business, pay your way thru college!! Do how you see fit!

    Lastly, I don't care what anyone says there is no dancer who every shift they have ever worked made "bank" every night. I have been doing this 11 years and I have worked at more than 70 strip clubs in 16 states. I have had bad nights (not that often) but yes I admit that I have had them. I had a bad night 2 weeks ago. I only made $120. That is very bad to me. Luckily, that doesn't happen that often but still it was an off day for me. Even other dancers I know that are top earners, middle or low have all bad nights everyone does. Its just that top earners don't have bad nights that often. It could be cause of their hustle skills or maybe regulars save them on potential awful nights. We need to stop pretending like we never do bad. I hate reading threads from posters who try to make it seem like they bank everyday. What is bank anyway? You would have to post the actual number of what you made cause what is bad good or bank to someone is different to the next person.

    Happy April!

    Make lots of $$ and Save! Always Keep in mind that your not promised a job or any certain amount of money tomorrow!! You can be cut or fired at any time for any reason.
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    I agree. One girl's definition of "bank" is completely different than another's. Sometimes you just gotta stop and remember that this is the internet, and what someone says on here isn't always true.

    But to address the first part, this is a forum where strippers/camgirls can come to ask questions or vent. When the question is "What is a good night for you?" Everyone's going to chime in. Newbies especially will always be concerned with race/height/weight. Sure every customer is different, but it is nice to have others share experiences from their own club.

    It can get competitive on here but most of it is very helpful. And I'm thankful for that.
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    I agree to an extent. That's the beauty of the job; the harder you work and the better you get, the more $$ you can make, but you can also choose to take it easy and do it mostly for fun. Personally, I'm in a dual-income household with a generous FIL, so my only real expenses are my half of rent and a car payment; I can be comfy working twice a week if I want to. I'm also low maintenance and spend very little. Other girls at my club want to live like a 90s stereotypical rich stripper, so they get into $1000 rent, $600 payment on a BMW, designer bags, blah blah, and have to work 4 days a week to support it. That's their choice, but it definitely skews their definition of 'banking', and they get upset at the kind of money I consider good.

    Some of us also live in $10 dance land at clubs where people just don't drop $300 on a ½ hour champagne room, some live where it's $40 for a single song and people are used to paying it. It's really not feasible for someone in Phx or New Mexico to expect to make $500+ every single shift, and it'd be unfair for a NYC or NOLA girl to judge her for that. It doesn't make her less of a hustler, we just have to work with the hand we're dealt and it's unfortunately not as lucrative as many other major cities.

    Human nature is to be competitive, though, and I think we worry about others because we want to have their skills. Maybe they're trying something you never thought of, maybe it'll work for you, maybe it won't. A little competition can be good; my dressing room buddy has been doing this 9 years, and trying to keep pace with her is motivating, and it gets me off my ass sometimes on slow days. I don't think anyone should beat themselves up about not out-earning someone though.... this business is so unpredictable, and you can't control who walks in the door and likes what girls, and especially not if your competition is doing things you're not comfortable with.

    Agreed that you should make your own definition of success, whether it's how much you save, how many VIP dances you did last night, or the experiences you got to have travel-dancing. I think we should all try to get better all the time, but on our own terms.
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    I really agree with everything you said. However, there are some clubs in Phx were girls are making 500+ a shift in Phx. I worked in NM years ago back in 2006 and 2008 and it was about that that as well. It may have gone downhill since.I have also heard recently the money wasn't really that good in NYC. But everyone is different so its hard to say.

    It's good that you are low maintenance. I need to learn how to be like that!

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    I agree to an extent. That's the beauty of the job; the
    harder you work and the better you get, the more $$ you can make, but you can also choose to take it easy and do it mostly for fun. Personally, I'm in a dual-income household with a generous FIL, so my only real expenses are my half of rent and a car payment; I can be comfy working twice a week if I want to. I'm also low maintenance and spend very little. Other girls at my club want to live like a 90s stereotypical rich stripper, so they get into $1000 rent, $600 payment on a BMW, designer bags, blah blah, and have to work 4 days a week to support it. That's their choice, but it definitely skews their definition of 'banking', and they get upset at the kind of money I consider good.

    Some of us also live in $10 dance land at clubs where people just don't drop $300 on a ½ hour champagne room, some live where it's $40 for a single song and people are used to paying it. It's really not feasible for someone in Phx or New Mexico to expect to make $500+ every single shift, and it'd be unfair for a NYC or NOLA girl to judge her for that. It doesn't make her less of a hustler, we just have to work with the hand we're dealt and it's unfortunately not as lucrative as many other major cities.

    Human nature is to be competitive, though, and I think we worry about others because we want to have their skills. Maybe they're trying something you never thought of, maybe it'll work for you, maybe it won't. A little competition can be good; my dressing room buddy has been doing this 9 years, and trying to keep pace with her is motivating, and it gets me off my ass sometimes on slow days. I don't think anyone should beat themselves up about not out-earning someone though.... this business is so unpredictable, and you can't control who walks in the door and likes what girls, and especially not if your competition is doing things you're not comfortable with.

    Agreed that you should make your own definition of success, whether it's how much you save, how many VIP dances you did last night, or the experiences you got to have travel-dancing. I think we should all try to get better all the time, but on our own terms.

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    ^ I think Hallelujah makes that in ABQ on weekends, but I always remember her saying that she's "not a tortilla factory, dammit" about doing 40+ lap dances... That's not my cup of tea either!

    I know you say you are making that kind of money consistently here, which is impressive. I've done it a few times, but I don't go in with that as my goal because I'd rather make my lower goal and be satisfied than disappointed in not hitting a higher one.
    My club may very well be capable of 500+ consistently, I just work a swing shift so I'm not there after midnight when the drunk money starts flying... I should adjust my hours, but therein again is the lifestyle choice thing, and trying to keep on a 'normal person' schedule to a degree.

    Side note, would you mind PMing me about your club? I need to pick up a 2nd one to avoid burning out of my first one again.
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    500 is good but not great money for weekends IMO (not downing anybody). You have to work at a club with a VIP room that goes by time and not songs. I wouldn't make good money if I was literally dances for 10 bucks a song all night. It would take forever just to get to 500.

    It takes a really sick person who is greedy and motivated by money. Many of the girls I have known that do well care about $$ a lot. Probably too much.

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    I make that only during winter. Summer which is about to hit is a different story. When I worked in New Mexico I worked at Cheeks in Santa Fe and also at TD'S. Yea you just gotta do you. I also do more of a swing in AZ except on weekends.

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    Omg I used to bank at Cheeks in 07.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    Omg I used to bank at Cheeks in 07.
    I didnt work at Cheeks until Jan/Feb 2008. I averaged 500-600 per day everyday. I stopped 1 time passing thru I think in 2013 for night and it sucked I only made 150.

    They were too strict there and the girls were horrible to work with imo. That TDs club would be better if they had a real vip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christina2013 View Post
    500 is good but not great money for weekends IMO (not downing anybody). You have to work at a club with a VIP room that goes by time and not songs. I wouldn't make good money if I was literally dances for 10 bucks a song all night. It would take forever just to get to 500.

    It takes a really sick person who is greedy and motivated by money. Many of the girls I have known that do well care about $$ a lot. Probably too much.
    Yeah we have a VIP that I'll sell blocks of time in sometimes, or else it's $20 a song. Most of the regular customers refuse to pay by time and want to go by song though. While it is nice to be guaranteed X dollars for X time, sometimes I find it easier to just do $20/song and let them tell me when to stop; before they know it they've racked up $200 in dances. You can do well with that structure if you keep busy, it's only 5 dances to $100/hour.

    Agreed about motivation. The longer I do this full-time, the higher my goal gets to where I can be satisfied with it, and the more aggressive I am with customers to the point of telling them what to do and being a brat. On the other hand, I've hit points before where it's like "wtf is wrong with me, I'm a greedy shallow bitch" which is unsettling. Stripping changes people sometimes and you really gotta make sure you compartmentalize and don't become that way in the rest of your life.
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    Idk who's quote this is but, "worry is like paying in advance for a debt you may never owe".


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    This post really resonated with me and I feel like it might make a good sticky? It's too easy to get wrapped up in your and other peoples' drama and get distracted from your goals. It's more important to just believe in yourself and keep doing the best you can! Thanks Christina!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odette View Post
    This post really resonated with me and I feel like it might make a good sticky? It's too easy to get wrapped up in your and other peoples' drama and get distracted from your goals. It's more important to just believe in yourself and keep doing the best you can! Thanks Christina!
    Thanks Odette! I'm glad you liked my post.

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    For me personally the only reason I do not like VIP by the song is because if the customer sees that you are not "dirty" enough they will end the VIP after a few songs. I'd rather sell an hour get my money and if he thought he was going to get more oh well and I still got a huge chunk of money.

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    It's really not feasible for someone in Phx or New Mexico to expect to make $500+ every single shift, and it'd be unfair for a NYC or NOLA girl to judge her for that. It doesn't make her less of a hustler, we just have to work with the hand we're dealt and it's unfortunately not as lucrative as many other major cities.
    There's another aspect to this which has yet to be mentioned. A major reason that strip club earnings potential tends to be high in certain major cities is because the price of EVERYTHING also tends to be high in those major cities. Yes a hard working Manhattan dancer can probably achieve $100k per year in gross earnings, while an equally hard working dancer in a smaller city might realistically only be able to earn half that much. But the Manhattan dancer's income will be subject to not only federal but also NY state and NY city income taxes ... all of which impose 'progressive' tax rates ... while the smaller city dancer may only have to pay federal income tax. Thus, after tax, that $100k might shrink to $65k, while the $50k might only shrink to $40k.

    Beyond that, NY city area rents might run ~$20k+ per year, while smaller city rents might only run half that much. Along similar lines, NY city area food and utility costs might run ~$10k+ per year, while smaller city food and utility costs may be significantly lower.

    Putting this all together may mean that the actual 'standard of living' of both dancers aren't really that much different, despite the fact that the Manhattan dancer earned far more pre-tax dollars.

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    ^ All true... my apt here would probably cost $3000 in NYC. The competition in NYC clubs seems to be so fierce, it would suck to be on the hook for that kind of money just to pay rent. I would rather live in my small town here, in a less cutthroat club, earning less gross money but also paying less of it out for rent/utilities.
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    Awesome post, thank you so much for taking the time to write this!!

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