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    Hi guys!

    So I've read and absorbed almost everything on here about camming and I'm prepping for my first show on SM (waiting for Payoneer to approve my account and it's taking FOREVER). I've never really seen a cam show so I went into the group chats of some of the fab SM models intending to pay for a gold show, and I got a bit confused by some of the text above the chat panel. 5 gold for boobies? So....you are asking for a 5 gold tip from the guys and when they do it you'll flash your boobs? I thought I read somewhere that you shouldn't flash anything in public chat cos then all the freeloaders want is tips for boobs and then they won't go in the gold shows. Or is that just hustling?

    And can you sell videos? Direct to the guys?

    How do you award someone VIP status as seen in image no 4 below?

    There's also a whole lot of short hand in there I don't understand too, like ht, BDSM, SPH, Sloppy BJ, dt.

    Also why would you offer these things in free chat when getting them to gold shows and exclusive chats will make you more money per minute? (yes that's a very very newbie question)

    So many questions! I've grabbed some examples of what I'm talking about and posted them below. I hope you guys can help me out

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    Default Re: New camgirl questions, 5 gold for boobies? :S

    I know this can all be very overwhelming. A good place to start is by looking through the stickied threads at the top of camming connection. There's a thread that explains the best way to do a search here and I highly recommend looking through it. Have you read the entire streamate thread yet? I know it's long but all of your questions are answered there.


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    I've read bits and pieces on the SM thread, but reading 701 pages is a bit too much, even for an avid reader like me.

    I have searched about selling videos on these forums, but I can only find advice on how much they should be, what length and if you should sell them or not, not HOW to sell them (external link to website where you can stream/download?) or if they are even profitable and worth the effort.

    I'm still baffled as to why you'd ask for tips for certain things in public chat when trying to get them into a gold show or exclusive chat is more profitable. I don't mean to sound stuck-up and I'm not implying that anyone is doing their hustling wrong, I'm just curious as to why the majority of SM models are offering these tips-for-stuff. Is it something to do with the SM audience? Do most of them not do shows/exclusive chats?

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    Taking the time to do your research is worth it in the long run. I read the entire streamate thread when I first signed up for the site. It takes a while but it's absolutely worth it. The members here have spent a lot of time and energy pooling their knowledge together, so most people aren't going to spoon feed that info in threads like this. I don't mean this in a mean way, I'm just trying to explain why someone hasn't answered your questions yet.

    Check out the stickied thread I mentioned - that will help a lot with finding things in the longer threads. I promise you, every single one of your questions is answered many times over on this forum. Learning how to search for info here will help a lot! "Teach a man to fish" and all that.


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    Default Re: New camgirl questions, 5 gold for boobies? :S

    Why? Because 99% of guys who ask to see my ass/tits/have me stand up in free chat are never going to buy a show. They're freeloaders trying to get things without paying. If a guy can afford a show, he doesn't need to me to 'show ass and then we can go pvt' or whatever the request of the hour is. Those are empty promises from broke fuckers. Requiring tips is a great way to weed out the losers who just want to abuse free chat. Also--number of dudes who can cum just from looking at tits/ass/your full body shot? Pretty much all of them. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Rhetorical question, but the answer is that they don't, so free flashes don't translate to increased earnings.


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    Default Re: New camgirl questions, 5 gold for boobies? :S

    @Issabelle; first off your signature is AWESOME! Had me laughing my ass off!

    "Requiring tips is a great way to weed out the losers who just want to abuse free chat"
    So...you ask the entire room for tips and the ones who are broke freeloaders who don't want to pay then leave the room? Is that how does that work? Bloody hell, I'm embarassed by my noobness, sorry :S

    @ScarletteBelle; alrighty then, it's time to trawl the SM thread *puts on reading glasses*

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    Default Re: New camgirl questions, 5 gold for boobies? :S

    lol my headline literally says "5 gold for boobies"

    I'll try to answer a few of your questions, but I don't think I know the answers to them all.

    By streamate rules, you can show anything (pretty much) on your body, except inside your panties. I.e don't show your pussy. Tips are definitely a way to bring in some extra money. It gets the guys interested in participating. Usually, 9/10 times, when i flash my boobs, someone take s me private or exclusive right away. I think flashing actually increases my amount of shows. Also, some guys like to see what your body looks like before they buy a show, which is fine as long as they tip first. It all depends on your hustle. You don't have to flash for tips if you wish not to, but it works for me.
    As far as selling videos, there's a website to send them through (I can't remember the name for the life of me, but it has it's own thread on sw) . I'm sure it'll be fairly easy to find though. Many people offer them during gold shows because, again, it gets the guys more interested in joining, and increases your profit.
    I personally don't do gold shows, or sell videos so I'm not much help on the aspect.
    Also, if you don't know what BJ means then.. Google.
    Hope this helps, but I suggest maybe reading some more threads. I literally studied for weeks before I started.
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    lol I thought BJ meant something more kinky that what I thought it did but nope, it's just a plain ol' blowjob *face palm*

    @LollyDollie; can I ask why you don't do gold shows and what made you chose not to do them? Is it because you get more bank in premium chat?

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    Default Re: New camgirl questions, 5 gold for boobies? :S

    I don't do them simply because I don't have the patience, or the right hustle for it. I prefer privates and one on ones. But some girls only do gold shows . many do both gold shows and private shows. the only way to really know is to just try it and see what works for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sellty View Post
    @Issabelle; first off your signature is AWESOME! Had me laughing my ass off!

    "Requiring tips is a great way to weed out the losers who just want to abuse free chat"
    So...you ask the entire room for tips and the ones who are broke freeloaders who don't want to pay then leave the room? Is that how does that work? Bloody hell, I'm embarassed by my noobness, sorry :S
    I do so love that quote, so I'm glad someone else does as well.

    I will attempt to break this down further. I hear 'stand up bb' and 'show ass bb' and 'tits bb, then we go pvt' about once every 5 minutes. Each. And I'm low balling that estimate. If I did the dancing monkey routine and responded to each and every one of those requests, I'd probably never convert a single one into doing a show. They got the milk for free and now they aren't going to buy the cow, as I said earlier. Free chat is just that--free. You don't get paid for one second of the time you spend in it. And if guys are getting their demands fulfilled there (ass/tits/stand/dance/twerk/blah blah blah), that means you get paid $0 for all your work. Me? I do NOT work for free. Pay me or get the fuck out. Now, that doesn't exactly answer your question, but I need you to understand my mentality for this next bit where I answer your question more directly.

    Scenario A: Guy comes in and asks for [insert whatever]. You do it. Everyone else in the room gets to see you do [insert whatever]. He leaves.
    Conclusion: You did not get paid. You did work for free.

    Scenario B: Guy comes in and asks for [insert whatever]. You say you'll only do it in private. He leaves because he didn't have any intention (notice: I use the word intention deliberately here) of paying you. No one in the room gets to see you do [insert whatever] for free.
    Conclusion: You did not get paid. You did not do work for free.

    Scenario C: Guy comes in and asks for [insert whatever]. You do it. Everyone in the room gets to see you do [insert whatever]. He goes private and does a show.
    Conclusion: You did get paid for the show, but not the act of free chat. You still did work for free, but it did convert to a sale. However, the sale was likely lower than it could of been, as the customer had seen some of what he wanted before he started to get charged.

    Scenario D: Guy comes in and asks for [insert whatever]. You say you'll only do it for X amount of gold (a tip). He pays. Everyone in the room gets to see you do [insert whatever]. He leaves.
    Conclusion: You got paid. You did not work for free. However, some customers did get to see you do [insert whatever] for free.

    Scenario E: Guy comes in and asks for [insert whatever]. You say you'll only do it for X amount of gold (a tip). He pays. Everyone in the room gets to see you do [insert whatever]. He goes private.
    Conclusion: You got paid. You did not work for free. However, some customers did get to see you do [insert whatever] for free. Bonus: converted to a show as well!

    So those are your five possible scenarios. Notice that only Scenarios C-E result in you making any money. Scenario C is contingent on the guy not following the 'why buy the cow' philosophy (highly uncommon). Scenarios D and E result you you making money in exchange for any work you do.

    Notice that with the exception of Scenario B, all of these leave the possibility of other, non-paying customers seeing you do [insert whatever] for free. However, D & E involve you getting paid by at least one person. This is the inherent theory behind requiring tips. It means that you're making the most possible money for the least amount of work. Some guys really do only want to see tits/ass when they come on a cam site and tipping allows you to still make money off of them. It also prevents freeloaders from feeling like they're entitled to seeing you do whatever they want like a damned dancing monkey.

    Bonus Pro-Tip: If you do everything a guy asks in order to convince him to do a show with you (goal: sale), you're going to get tired really fast. Not every guy intends to spend, so conserve your energy for those willing to shell out some cash. I charge $1 just to stand up. Entitled customers call it lazy. Seasoned camgirls call it smart. Your mileage may vary, but many experienced models fall somewhere on the 'no work without $$$' spectrum.

    ETA: Gold Shows on SM are a totally different hustle because so many models hustle them with a shit ton of teasing. Those girls bank and I will never judge anything that gets them what they need, but it is not my hustle. I do privates almost 100% of the time, so that 'free teasing to get buy ins' doesn't fly with my hustle. Also, I would say that the models who do the absolute best at Gold Shows do little more than dance and maybe get topless near goal. Many also show off their assets on occasion during the count down (BUT not on demand--important note). What works for me won't necessarily work for you, but these are general trends.

    Also, bluntly, the reason I put this much effort into this post (which I will forever copy and paste in similar threads) is that I'm tired of entitled customers. One (usually newer) model does it and they think we all do it. Drives me crazy. There's no small amount of self-preservation of my sanity involved in me typing you this novel.


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    @Issabelle; thanks for laying it out very clearly for me, I appreciate it SO MUCH

    "If you do everything a guy asks in order to convince him to do a show with you (goal: sale), you're going to get tired really fast."
    ^ How can you identify said guy? Is it like after jumping through a few hoops for him he just keeps asking you to do more stuff and you realize he's never going to do a show?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sellty View Post
    @Issabelle; thanks for laying it out very clearly for me, I appreciate it SO MUCH

    "If you do everything a guy asks in order to convince him to do a show with you (goal: sale), you're going to get tired really fast."
    ^ How can you identify said guy? Is it like after jumping through a few hoops for him he just keeps asking you to do more stuff and you realize he's never going to do a show?
    Glad it helped. And you're misunderstanding the point--it's not about identifying who you should jump through hoops for. That's the wrong mentality. They should be jumping through hoops for you, not vice versa. So how do you suss out who's going to spend and who won't? Tips. Spenders will tip or go private. Freeloaders will beg. The end.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sellty View Post
    I've read bits and pieces on the SM thread, but reading 701 pages is a bit too much, even for an avid reader like me.

    I have searched about selling videos on these forums, but I can only find advice on how much they should be, what length and if you should sell them or not, not HOW to sell them (external link to website where you can stream/download?) or if they are even profitable and worth the effort.

    I'm still baffled as to why you'd ask for tips for certain things in public chat when trying to get them into a gold show or exclusive chat is more profitable. I don't mean to sound stuck-up and I'm not implying that anyone is doing their hustling wrong, I'm just curious as to why the majority of SM models are offering these tips-for-stuff. Is it something to do with the SM audience? Do most of them not do shows/exclusive chats?
    First off.....kudos on your graphic. I think this is one of the most well-researched newbie questions I've seen.

    Now down to the heart of the matter when I first became a camgirl, just like you I researched stuff until my eyes bled. But there are certain things that are just not going to make sense until you are doing shows on cam for a while. I am one of those models that doesn't flash for tips but I also understand why some models do. It all has to do with the way that they hustle and the way they hustle has to do with a lot of other things, like their persona. This is something that can't really be explained and can only be experienced when you are doing shows on cam.

    Since camming is a commission sales job each girl is going to do what they think is best in order to make money. If you pick up a book on sale and turn to the chapter on 'how to close the sale' you'll see that there are many different ways that you can try to sell your 'product'.

    I can promise you this though, if a camgirl is running a hustle and it isn't making money then she won't be running that hustle for long. If she is doing something then it is generally for a good reason.
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