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    Several threads have brought up the topic male Review Boards. I had a few things to say and thought I'd open up the discussion to best practices for sex workers to use the sites (if at all), how to make money from the sites, and the pitfalls. As a client, I went from a positive Casino Girl experience, to Backpage, to a Review Board, to being a verified client (using it almost exclusively now). Without the Review Board I'd have likely never found my way to verification type services and my experiences would be much less safe and much less rewarding, so for that I'm grateful to the Review Boards.

    I've seen providers who use the advertising section of Review Boards almost exclusively. I've seen providers who use the Review Boards only to check local alerts. I've seen providers get very engaged in the Review Boards, do meet and greets, stay engaged on the forums, and spend countless hours in the community. I've seen providers avoid them entirely.

    Here are certain truths (from my experience) that I think should be considered:

    - To clients new to the business in the United States the Review Boards can be their only way to find providers: so there is a certain market share of clients.
    - Reviews are not fair and can hurt a provider. For instance, you can have advertised services or explain your services, a client can ask for something outside of those services, then a client can post a negative review - even though you performed expertly at your listed services. You have no real recourse, all recourses leave you in a drama war and are not helpful to making money.
    - The Review Board primarily serves male community members. Don't get sucked into believing it's 'for everyone'. Behind the scenes chatter can often focus on how to get the most service at the least price, and worse, how to get service and spend nothing. Clients are engaging with other clients to learn techniques to get free SG Time, free services, or very cheap services and time. Some of this talk is reasonable in that its looking to find market value, stay safe, find service, find a provider, etc, but if you read these Review Boards (which I recommend), you'll also find some of what I'm talking about and it might help you avoid time sinks. In other words, if you are using a Review Board for business remember they can turn on you.
    - "Meet and Greets" sound like a great way to find SDs, regular clients, and perhaps just feel less isolated. IMHO, they are a bad idea, they are a great way to lose your privacy, give away time, get advice not intended to make you more money, and to become involved in drama with other providers and clients that can actually help you earn LESS money.
    -The Review Board local alerts can be informative, but are mostly geared towards providers and clients who are not using verification services and do not have sound screening practices - they will however give you an idea of what hotel areas not to stay.
    - Review Boards are only partially helpful for checking your rates. Many providers on the Review Board I once associated are not using verification services and so the Review Board may not be a good sampling in your area for providers that are most like you in service, etc. So the Review Boards are a source to consider for comparable rates -- but they are certainly not the final source.
    - Speaking to market share: if I can't find a regular I want to see, if my verification service has nobody advertising, I sometimes still go to the Review Boards advertising section and see if a regular or verified provider I see might be advertising there (which for some reason often happens even though they are on my verification site). This may speak more to be sure your 'visiting advertising' or other advertising work is working on a verification site. Also, be sure to occasionally log into your verifications site - if I spot a provider that hasn't logged in over thirty day I'm much less likely to try and schedule.
    - Avoid arguments on the Review Boards. First, they favor the males so engaging in an argument usually results in their side being believed. Second, it doesn't make you money and you spend even more time.

    Not sure I can think of anything more right now. But if providers know how to avoid time sinks, make money from Review Boards, how to avoid bad reviews (or advice on when to even get reviewed), then perhaps you can add. If I'm wrong about anything, please call me out.

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    I'm not going to get into a point by point debate with you BUT - If review boards are so bad then why how have so many successful escorts benefitted from them ? Why do they advertise on those boards ?

    Have you ever been to a Meet & Greet ? Where ? Hosted by whom ? Why are so many positives posted about them ?

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    Well, in this day and age of hysteria over "trafficking" LE issues and dishonest Internet advertising, I feel a couple good reviews can help a provider out a lot.

    However, I can admit review boards are populated by the rainbow of creepy guys out there, from the backslapping, high-five-giving guys hobbying together as a male bonding experience, to the downright dangerous (stalkers and robbers.)

    Honestly even some clients hate review boards. There ARE clients who can deal with women respectfully & don't ever utter "studman69" bullshit. Boards are not the end-all of the hobby world.

    PS I never did a meet and greet. I've been scammed by guys when I was a teenager & learned quick- men immediately assume if a woman does something for free, it equals = "she likes me." Just a terrible idea. It either motivates the guy to take all he can (all the way up to rape & stalking) or makes him bolder about disrespecting the boundaries of any woman. Just NO to meet and greets. BTW LE has caught on to "meet and greet" protocol & in some strict states...will make an arrest at a M&G right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    I'm not going to get into a point by point debate with you BUT - If review boards are so bad then why how have so many successful escorts benefitted from them ? Why do they advertise on those boards ?

    Have you ever been to a Meet & Greet ? Where ? Hosted by whom ? Why are so many positives posted about them ?
    If you have a specific opinion and experience that differs, then please post it. I never said Review Boards were "bad", my bottom line is providers should understand them and, if they use them, do so with eyes wide open. I clearly stated there are customers on the sites and that the advertising can procure customers. Not sure why you feel Review Boards are getting a bad rap from sharing my experience, I'm sure my small post won't damage them in the least.

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    SNUFFLE - Now I KNOW you are making it up as you go along. For what reason or purpose I neither know nor care.

    Good reviews DO help out providers. Duh ! I guess that's why most escorts prefer good reviews to bad.

    Some review boards do have some creeps. What else is new ? Most of the guys who post on their boards fall into a range of "normal". The REAL rainbow or spectrum is lot broader and wider than just " immature frat boy to creepy stalker ".

    Yes, some guys don't like the boards ; don't post on them but SURPRISE ! SURPRISE ! they read them.

    According to you attending a " M & G " = doing something for free ? What are you talking about ? That the ladies don't get paid to attend ? So what ? THEY are the ones who benefit the most from attending. They are the ones who fill up their dance cards and appointment books. I think that just might be why they attend. Just a wild guess on my part. Since you admit that you don't and never have been to one then you obviously don't know that A. they are almost uniformly low key ( they're glorified cocktail parties ) and B. that everyone , especially THE MEN, is incredibly well behaved. They are safer than the average sports bar or night club for the ladies.

    There has been exactly ONE report of arrests at a Meet & Greet in recent memory. That was in Houston. And it wasn't just a Meet & Greet. It was more of a party with hanky panky going on . And there was NO SCREENING. First of all LE can't get in to the average Meet & Greet because ALL Guests are screened. Even if they did get in there is nothing happening for which anyone could be arrested because nothing illegal happens at the Meet & Greet. Not to get bogged down in legalese but just TALKING is not illegal. Not without money changing hands then and there. And anyone stupid enough to do that at a M & G or permit same pretty much deserves to get busted. And LE would have to SEE money change hands and be able to PROVE that it was for an illegal purpose or activity. Why don't you tell us how they can do that ? Mike up the whole room ? Pretty tough to do when savvy hosts and hostesses do not give out the location until the day of the event.

    Normally I wouldn't be terribly interested in embarrassing you but since you stepped so far over the line into total fabrication , why don't you tell us about reported and verified Meet & Greets where LE made arrests on the spot ? Where ? When ? Arrested for what ? What happened to the charges ?

    Here's an idea - Why don't you get your FACTS straight FIRST and then post ? Just a thought.
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    If you have a specific opinion and experience that differs, then please post it. I never said Review Boards were "bad", my bottom line is providers should understand them and, if they use them, do so with eyes wide open. I clearly stated there are customers on the sites and that the advertising can procure customers. Not sure why you feel Review Boards are getting a bad rap from sharing my experience, I'm sure my small post won't damage them in the least.
    I'm trying to understand where you are coming from ? Is there a downside to review boards ? For the overly sensitive there probably is . Is there a frat boy element on most of them ? Yes . Welcome to the real world. Are some of the reviews fictional ? From talking to my ladyfriends and other gals who escort there is a LOT of fiction contained in those reviews. There is a LOT of creativity and wishful thinking contained in SOME reviews written by SOME reviewers. Especially about themselves and their supposed prowess and ability in the bedroom. Yeah. O.K. Who ever doubted THAT ? On the other hand most reviewers tend to be rather low key and lean toward honesty. Including about themselves.

    To me , the bottom line is that review boards are a flawed , imperfect resource for both hobbyists and providers. They are a source of SOME information that is of SOME use to SOME people. "Take it for what it's worth; YMMV ; just one guy's OPINION " yada , yada , yada.

    Btw- you are aware that there are Providers Only boards are you not ? And Providers Only forums on most of the major review sites ? What do you think about those ?

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    I read boards for the Rockies region of the US & have talked to girls who have been busted just for "showing up" in certain places in Utah. You would not believe how devious LE can be. The other fave bust location is a residence inn-type hotel. LE has been tracking and learning from online escort advertising for a long time...

    How can I respect what you say when I'm guessing you are not an escort? I do not care to argue with you.

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    Snuffle I was just about to say please do not entertain this argument at all.
    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    I read boards for the Rockies region of the US & have talked to girls who have been busted just for "showing up" in certain places in Utah. You would not believe how devious LE can be. The other fave bust location is a residence inn-type hotel. LE has been tracking and learning from online escort advertising for a long time...

    How can I respect what you say when I'm guessing you are not an escort? I do not care to argue with you.

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    I'm going to threadjack here to post a warning that ALL working girls in this nation need to heed- you NEED to stay current on the laws in your state where you work and HOW you can be affected by them...the Feds are currently poking around in my neck of the woods & it makes me grateful to not have to deal with that kind of stress anymore. Do your research, retain a lawyer. Be careful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    I read boards for the Rockies region of the US & have talked to girls who have been busted just for "showing up" in certain places in Utah. You would not believe how devious LE can be. The other fave bust location is a residence inn-type hotel. LE has been tracking and learning from online escort advertising for a long time...

    How can I respect what you say when I'm guessing you are not an escort? I do not care to argue with you.
    Alright. I think I have a handle on where you are coming from and how and why you posted some of the things you did. From your last post it is obvious that you are confusing and conflating MEET & GREETS with LE SET-UPS. Perhaps deliberately but more likely out of sheer ignorance. They are two totally separate and different things. A Meet & Greet is a SOCIAL event. The word goes out on TER on the "Meet & Greet " Board ( and perhaps through other more discreet "grapevines" ) that there is one being planned for specified time window in a specific city or area. Some hosts post the actual date ; some don't. Those wishing to attend usually e-mail or PM. Their references are checked to make sure they are who they say they are. They get general info about the event. On the day of the event those who have confirmed they are going get the actual location - could be a bar ; party loft ; club; hotel suite or even a private home. They get the info via private e-mail or text. The men attending pay a cover charge to cover the cost ( hopefully from the host's pov ) of food , drink , location cost ; security and other staff. The ladies attend for free. NOTHING happens at these events except eating , drinking , meeting , greeting, talking and maybe a little ( FULLY Clothed ! ) dancing. Whatever hanky panky is discussed takes place at another place at another time. Period. THAT is a " Meet & Greet " as 99 % of the people in and around the hobby understand it to mean.
    What you posted about are LE scams to entrap unwary and careless escorts ; usually hooked from Backpage and other low budget sources. That is NOT a "Meet & Greet ". If you didn't know it before, you do now.

    I don't know about Utah's legal system specifically ( nor do I have any desire to ever go there ) BUT just showing up is almost NEVER enough BY ITSELF to get anyone arrested for anything. Usually the police have to record i.e. get on tape the escort agreeing to perform a sexual act for a specified price. Savvy escorts avoid these situations altogether by careful screening and by NEVER discussing specific acts until after being totally sure that their client is NOT LE. The only way for someone to get busted for just showing up somewhere is if she foolishly e-mailed and/or texted what she was prepared to do for how much money before going to the appointed place at the appointed time.

    LE sets up these type of scams all the time. And they snare dozens of foolish and careless low budget gals in the ways I've just discussed.

    Btw- No I am not an escort. There just weren't enough attractive and well heeled gals to be able to afford my services so I made other career choices lol. Just kidding.
    Not being an escort doesn't mean I don't know what I am talking about. I've amply demonstrated to anybody with even minimal knowledge about the hobby that I very much do know what I am talking about.

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    I have zero tolerance for review boards - anyone who participates on one is aiding and abetting sexual predators. End of discussion.

    Check these links out: http://titsandsass.com/we-need-a-better-review-culture/ http://titsandsass.com/from-an-indus...nged-our-work/

    It's common knowledge that male board admins frequently use their status to coerce sex from escorts.

    Sick and disgusting. No amount of money is ever worth dealing with those kinds of men. There is no such thing as a 'benevolent hobbyist', by supporting the sexual predators they're just as guilty of serial rapes.

    Review board whores tend to be just as deranged - Stockholm Syndrome + all sorts of drama. Nope nope nope. Not worth dealing with either.

    I've been to three meet and greets so far. All were wastes of time.

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    I do tend to think of review boards as a bit like an industry equivalent of a "trade show"
    Meet and greets would of course be similarly categorised.

    It is all part of your marketing and it is a good way to gain exposure with out essentially "paying" for it..HOWEVER you do in fact pay for it in other ways- with your time and the bullshit factor.

    Just as in a vanilla business you weigh up the pros and cons..you also choose to do so with your involvement in these boards.


    Here in New Zealand we have a bit of a different system as we are legal but also our biggest review forum is run differently than most others.
    You may be interested to hear the details:

    Service Providers may choose to "opt out" of the reviewing process with strict rules in place for the way to do so, and it may not be because of a "bad review"
    The workers are given the choice to not recieve reviews but are also not allowed to promote on the boards or have any public say.

    It is a system that does work well overall for both parties as many male members choose to boycott the girls who opt out and the girls are also ok with that-losing the promotion and income by opting out of the support of the boards.

    What you often do see, is any providers who are literally running rip off schemes are outed super quick through non biased and reasonably trustworthy channels.
    Which I support 100% as I do sympathize with the client often having bad experiences just as the ladies do.

    The workers and the clients get some power with their own choices. which I like and both sides tend to keep things pretty cool overall.

    One day I really wish the "punters" and the "providers" could somehow meet in the middle as review boards can be AWESOME and alot of fun for the community.
    What ruins it is when there is an imbalance of power on either side causing things to no longer be fair.

    Each side does need to recognise that we are a special kind of business and what comes with that is much responsibility in setting boundaries, rules and ettiquitte to ensure pleasure and peace for both.

    I do believe it is possible, and we are trying damn hard down here in NZ to get a working system that treats punters with respect AS WELL as the workers with their own special circumstances.

    Viewing the issue as a "them" vs "us" gets everybody nowhere!
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    I'm on a ~1000-person discussion board (no reviews) that is the only successful "balanced" board I've ever been on. It's run by a provider, but she's built a board culture of respect. Any customers or providers causing problems gets flushed out quickly. We spend a lot of time talking about the things we have in common, e.g., ensuring the providers we love seeing are safe, etc. We also spend a lot of time talking about things on which we have different perspectives, without it going to flames, and often people actually listening to and understand the point of view opposite of theirs. Which makes sense to me -- the fact is, I truly like the strippers and providers I see, and I'd way rather everyone feel safe and valued enough that we can have discussions about things that interest us, and actually listen to the opposite viewpoints. There's disagreements about things, but they don't get too heated, and when they do, they are quickly shut down. The moderating probably tilts the tiniest bit towards provider comfort and safety -- 51% to 49%. Although if you ask a provider there, she might tell you that the moderating tilts a tiny bit to favor customers I know this sounds awfully kumbaya, and I would never have believed a non-adversarial board of both customers & providers could exist, but there it is. It's the rock solid, relentless example of respect and understanding set by the woman who runs the place, that really makes it work. Without her or someone like her, I don't think it can last.

    Which is all addressing sophianz's discussion about balanced boards.
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    Review boards exist for the same reasons sites like Angie's List exist. When people buy a service, they need to know that the provider will do a good job, the prices will be competitive, and that they won't be ripped off. They don't exist for providers. I think they provide a useful service to customers. Frankly, it doesn't matter what providers think of them, but I think smart providers can benefit from those sites, and would better spend their time learning to use them to their advantage, rather than bemoaning their existence.

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    Why are we even entertaining these man-children with a discussion? They're clearly not providers. I don't understand how they think they can have an opinion on our side of the business.
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    Why are we even entertaining these man-children with a discussion? They're clearly not providers. I don't understand how they think they can have an opinion on our side of the business.
    Information is information. Facts are facts. If something is true why does it matter to you who said it ? Or which side of the sheets they are coming from ?
    According to you there is no reason for you to have an opinion about clients. Does that really make sense to you ? If you don't want to participate in the discussion then don't.

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    I have zero tolerance for review boards - anyone who participates on one is aiding and abetting sexual predators. End of discussion.

    Check these links out: http://titsandsass.com/we-need-a-better-review-culture/ http://titsandsass.com/from-an-indus...nged-our-work/

    It's common knowledge that male board admins frequently use their status to coerce sex from escorts.

    Sick and disgusting. No amount of money is ever worth dealing with those kinds of men. There is no such thing as a 'benevolent hobbyist', by supporting the sexual predators they're just as guilty of serial rapes.

    Review board whores tend to be just as deranged - Stockholm Syndrome + all sorts of drama. Nope nope nope. Not worth dealing with either.

    I've been to three meet and greets so far. All were wastes of time.
    If you don't like review boards then don't participate with or on one. But how exactly is someone who reads let's say TER and maybe posts a review here and there "aiding and abetting sexual predators " ? All clients are "sexual predators " ?

    Admins coercing sex from escorts ? There was ONE case of ONE owner of one board who was guilty of some sick and disgusting behavior including alleged attempted blackmail and coercion. That was years ago and he is now in prison for ( mostly ) unrelated crimes.

    Why were the meet & greets a waste of your time ? Because you didn't get any bookings ? What about all the gals who go and have a great time ? Who do get a lot of bookings ? Who even leave the meet & greet with a "'date" they just met at the event ?

    When people like you start painting with such a broad brush in such a negative way it raises a lot more questions that are probably better left alone. At least on here. Suffice to say that you come across as very narrow minded , angry , bitter and jealous. Good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    If you don't like review boards then don't participate with or on one. But how exactly is someone who reads let's say TER and maybe posts a review here and there "aiding and abetting sexual predators " ? All clients are "sexual predators " ?

    Admins coercing sex from escorts ? There was ONE case of ONE owner of one board who was guilty of some sick and disgusting behavior including alleged attempted blackmail and coercion. That was years ago and he is now in prison for ( mostly ) unrelated crimes.

    Why were the meet & greets a waste of your time ? Because you didn't get any bookings ? What about all the gals who go and have a great time ? Who do get a lot of bookings ? Who even leave the meet & greet with a "'date" they just met at the event ?

    When people like you start painting with such a broad brush in such a negative way it raises a lot more questions that are probably better left alone. At least on here. Suffice to say that you come across as very narrow minded , angry , bitter and jealous. Good luck with that.
    I don't. They're cesspools and wastes of my time.

    Review boards, by and large, promote boundary pushing. How many escorts would kiss, do anal, or give BBBJs without being coerced into it? None. Thousands of escorts have been coerced into reviewer freebies or unsafe sex acts. The 'benevolent hobbyist' empowers the assholes that use the option to leave malicious reviews as a weapon against escorts. Again, it is sick.

    You're talking out of your ass. Admin coercion of sex acts has been documented with TER, TBD, GrainBeltNews, and Redbook. I can personally attest to such attempts by the admin behind TSMFE. It happens, no matter how much you'd like to pretend it doesn't.

    The men are cheap piece of shit hobbyists, not clients. I would estimate that maybe 5% of guys there aren't heavily into review board culture and are interested in something other than skanky TER whores. This doesn't touch on the dangers involved (yes, LE and reporters do get in). Leaving with a 'date' usually means negotiating and accepting less than you're worth - I've seen $1200/2hrs plunge to $500/hr because the escort in question wasn't going to make a dime on the trip otherwise, and it doesn't allow for proper screening.

    Aww, it's the textbook hobbyist piece of shit derailing tactic - "I don't like your facts so you're just 'batshit crazy'." No, I'm not, but you're a sociopath for tearing escorts down when they talk truth to power. Go away.

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    I'll ignore the ad hominem garbage which btw is in violation of the rules of this board.

    For every gal like you who doesn't like those boards there are plenty who range from neutral to approving. Many gals like to get "9" 's and "10 " 's. And YES - to get those numbers the gals generally have to be GFE . Is that what is REALLY at the root of some of this animus against TER and some of the other boards ? My guess is that it is .
    I'm sorry but the big money clients want GFE and that means DFK , DATY , and BBBJ with only the sex covered. Don't like that ? Don't care to engage in those activities ?
    Fine. But no need to denigrate those that do.

    Some boards are better than others and some have recourse for escorts that genuinely feel wronged by a bad review. She can blacklist the reviewer. She can dispute his version of events. In some cases reviews have been pulled and the reviewer banned. It varies. Some boards are better than others. None of them are perfect and ALL of them are designed and run from the custy pov.

    I am only familiar with Mr. Elms and his documented and alleged misdeeds. If you have info about other boards you should post it. Otherwise you might be accused of "talking out of your ass ".

    Do reporters and LE read the boards ? I know for a fact that they do. So what ? Get into Meet & Greets ? Are we counting the hobbyists who happen to work in LE ? And the reporters who like to hobby ? I've already discussed the Houston event and that is the ONLY time there were any negative repercussions for anyone involved.

    As for what happens when a provider leaves a M & G with a date , how would you know ? Your own example - "$1200 for 2 hours PLUNGE ( ? ) to $500/hr " doesn't seem that precipitous to me and could be based on a lot of other factors mostly centered on relative time and expense. If it did happen that way then presumably it was the free choice of the escort to modify her rate. Your problem with that is what ? Violation of some "union rule " the rest of us don't know about ? As for not allowing for proper screening you have obviously forgotten that ALL the male guests at every reputable M & G had to pass fairly good screening just to be able to attend. Plus it is VERY easy to check references then and there with a LOT of other ladies also attending the event so your hypothetical downside holds about a thimble full of water.

    If you want to talk about "FACTS " then please discuss your own personal experiences ; the stuff of which you are personally aware. As I have. Have a great day.

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    Geez Eric, I may not agree with the comments, but I am certain she has her reasons for her opinions...i think the OP was trying to be helpful. I always think at least twice before posting in OW, perhaps you should too?



    just sayin......

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    Don't fret you know exactly what you are talking about abarett.They're trying their hardest to discredit providers or persons who goes against their bs.Ter is so great I've had quite a few clients come and try and push boundaries and ask for things I don't provide.Oh yes it's genius to provide every little intricate detail into a public review forum from an PRIVATE encounter.

    Why is there information being shared about providers private lives,private conversation had during the session, down to the what their privates look like?Why are their sessions being recorded without their permission or knowledge?What's the purpose of talking about what the privates look like?Piercing no piercing,book and find tf out.Lots of reckless/unnecessary talk and information{easy access information for cops and those who work with them}.Damn they don't even really have to look hard just plot, look at the reviews,show up for the appointment{oh yep that's the gal those reviews said she was 5'7, had piercings,short brown hair, a mole on her left titt,no ass and no hair down there,etc,etc LOL}

    A proper review should consist of:Was the provider safe?Did she scam/or try to scam you?Independent/Agency/or Pimp?Did she upsell?Were her photos accurate?Was she punctual?Was it what you were looking for?Did you enjoy the experience?{Rate}Would you return?Why or Why not?The problem is there is no real moderation on review sites, most don't care to spare providers grief over bs reviews especially if it's against some hardcore internet celeb on the review board. I've seen providers get banned/even attacked from trying to stick up for themselves against a slanderous review.There's just waaaayyyy too many sleazy guys on them that do NOT respect providers/women in general.I'm not saying it's ALL guys but wayyy too many that it's scary.

    It's not about who's gfe, or none of that other crap.It's about respect! Respect for privacy, respect of boundaries, respect for discretion, and respect for the craft! Flat out R-E-S-P-E-C-T! Too much has changed and not in a good way.Just because you don't participate in review boards does not mean someone will not review you,and just because you blacklist someone it is not the end of the problem.But like someone else said up there the sites are made for who again?Any GUY who replies back to my comment on some bs or macho-man ish please do not expect a response
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    I don't. They're cesspools and wastes of my time.

    Review boards, by and large, promote boundary pushing. How many escorts would kiss, do anal, or give BBBJs without being coerced into it? None. Thousands of escorts have been coerced into reviewer freebies or unsafe sex acts. The 'benevolent hobbyist' empowers the assholes that use the option to leave malicious reviews as a weapon against escorts. Again, it is sick.

    You're talking out of your ass. Admin coercion of sex acts has been documented with TER, TBD, GrainBeltNews, and Redbook. I can personally attest to such attempts by the admin behind TSMFE. It happens, no matter how much you'd like to pretend it doesn't.

    The men are cheap piece of shit hobbyists, not clients. I would estimate that maybe 5% of guys there aren't heavily into review board culture and are interested in something other than skanky TER whores. This doesn't touch on the dangers involved (yes, LE and reporters do get in). Leaving with a 'date' usually means negotiating and accepting less than you're worth - I've seen $1200/2hrs plunge to $500/hr because the escort in question wasn't going to make a dime on the trip otherwise, and it doesn't allow for proper screening.

    Aww, it's the textbook hobbyist piece of shit derailing tactic - "I don't like your facts so you're just 'batshit crazy'." No, I'm not, but you're a sociopath for tearing escorts down when they talk truth to power. Go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldster View Post
    Geez Eric, I may not agree with the comments, but I am certain she has her reasons for her opinions...i think the OP was trying to be helpful. I always think at least twice before posting in OW, perhaps you should too?



    just sayin......
    That's fine. Unlike her I am not name-calling or even going after her personally. Just some of her ideas which I think lack factual support. If she thinks she can support some of her opinions with actual facts then I hope she does. I'd love to read it.

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    Obsession touches on some legit areas for discussion afaic.

    Clients trying to push boundaries ? Sadly that has been happening since prostitution started. I don't think the review boards had much to do with it EXCEPT there are some cases where the review or reviews said that the escort did " X , Y and sometimes Z ". Could be the reviewers lied and she never does BBBJ's ORRRR she prefers not to do them with guys who are not circumsized ORRRR she only goes to Greece when she feels like it. ORRRR a half dozen other possibilities and permutations I can think of that I'm not posting to avoid being boring. BUT I know for a fact that the Admin of TER can be e-mailed and the Admins of other boards can be contacted and they will make changes to provider profiles when asked. But there's still a legit point there imho.

    Too much detail in the reviews ? Another legit point. Time was reviewers could take a gentlemanly approach and leave some things to the imagination in their reviews. Even on TER. Now that is very difficult to almost impossible because TER changed its review guidelines. One of the avowed purposes was to weed out phony reviews and to formalize the number system so that to get "10" s on performance a fairly broad menu was required. It's not what I'd require if I ran TER but it is the current reality .And most of the other boards have followed suit and formalized their review requirements. BUT there are plenty of well known escorts who advertise ( or not ) and have plenty of clients who do NOT permit reviews. So reviews are NOT essential to being a successful escort.

    Recording sessions without knowledge and/or consent ? That's a crime. Literally. Plus it opens up the recorder to a whopping civil suit. It's possible that it happens ( with modern technology ,micro cameras etc. ) BUT I have never heard of it happening. And if it were posted on a web-site the owner of the site can be told to remove it. Most would to avoid running afoul of several Federal laws not to mention civil suits. Plus the guy that did any such recording could and would be permanently blacklisted so it seems unlikely. Do you have specifics ? Actual cases that you know about ?

    Providers getting banned for sticking up for themselves ? Not at all EXCEPT for a few cases when they themselves broke the rules of a particular board by for instance going into the Reviewers Only Forum on TER. That did happen once that I know of. The escort in question had been defamed and in trying to clear herself she managed to get on the Boys Only Reviewers Bd. and got suspended. She was well known ; had a LOT of friends and her victimizer ended up with a major comeuppance including his own banning from TER. She admitted she was wrong , explained why she did it , apologized and ended up the winner in the whole mess.

    There are assholes everywhere. I join you in wishing that some of those sites had better policing and that the worst of the worst were kicked off. Permanently. Most of their fellow posters and reviewers don't like them and wish for the same btw.
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    I have seen on TER info about girls like their real names, who has kids, ages of kids, sex of kids, who is the baby daddy, if they are married or not.... NONE of it has anything to do with services rendered. If girls were to do that about the guys they see, ALL of ya'll would be PISSED off about it.

    NO matter what review site it is ALL ILLEGAL, why not just go down to the police station and fill out an report? You don' think the cops know what gfe or bbbj means? Do you think they are clueless to how many roses equals cash?

    I have seen review boards used to bust guys who then turn on every single girl & it is the girl who goes to jail. Guys who post on review boards feel no guilt in turning on the girls when it comes to the cops but everyone of them expect the girls to never turn on them if she gets busted.

    Prostitution is illegal all but a few counties in Nevada where you have to go to the cat house which is governed & legal. All else is illegal acts, would you write a review about your drug dealer & how good his drugs are? Cops & Feds let these sites run for years then they bust. I question anybodies intelligence that goes on the web & does a detailed report about an illegal act with another person. Cops LAUGH at ALL of YOU> I know FBI agents, Feds & such that laugh guys & girls who post on such things online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Prostitution is illegal all but a few counties in Nevada where you have to go to the cat house which is governed & legal. All else is illegal acts, would you write a review about your drug dealer & how good his drugs are? Cops & Feds let these sites run for years then they bust. I question anybodies intelligence that goes on the web & does a detailed report about an illegal act with another person. Cops LAUGH at ALL of YOU> I know FBI agents, Feds & such that laugh guys & girls who post on such things online.

    Sam
    Yep, God's honest truth is when a high profile girl in my region got busted, her very graphic online ads were used against her (that and the drugs she had with her.) The government can afford to hire a techie to store copies of ads, reviews and other assorted gossip online (yes, the LE even reads the GOSSIP on hobby boards.)

    The sword cuts both ways, hobbyists have been busted for being reckless and plenty of them have been ripped off for being careless. Most of these guys should be paying MORE for the the escorts who are reliable and trouble-free. There is always some bad girl who is going to go through his wallet or set him up for a mugging if he keeps being careless.

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