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    Default Re: Strippers of all races, tell the truth. Are white dancers more desired than black

    I don't like the weave comments when people act like only black girls wear weaves/wigs/extensions. Like other posters have said, many dancers of ALL races wear extensions of some form. Almost all of the top earners I've met have worn extensions of some sort lol. My hair is 15" long and at work I wear 20" clip-in extensions because I think it enhances my stripperish look and always makes me hair look better if I'm having a bad hair day. I'm going to switch to 22" soon. Fake hair is fake hair, whether it's a wig, sew-in weave, tape extensions, fusions, clip-ins, whatever (although the hair should be "real" in the sense that one should go for human hair and not synthetic), my clip-ins are always high quality human hair. It blends with my hair so well, customers never know it's extensions unless they grab the back of my hair (I only use 4 rows of clip-ins, and in the back of my head only). Let's face it, it's common knowledge that applying heavy heat on your hair is damaging. So instead of straightening or curling it, you can keep your hair healthy by wear some form of extensions at work so you're not putting too much trauma on your hair.

    As far as whether white women are more desired, depends on the club, the customer, and the dancer. If the club has a low amount of black girls, it'll be easier for them to make money. If the club has "too many" for "customer demand," then the black girls are going to suffer. We can't pretend black dancers (especially dark skinned ones) don't have a disadvantage. However, there are guys who have certain fetishes for specific races (black, Asian, etc) and those girls can obviously bank off those customers. And if a black girl is the only girl or one of the only girls in the club who is black, she will bank off customers with Black Girl Fantasies.
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    Default Re: Strippers of all races, tell the truth. Are white dancers more desired than black

    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    I skipped all the comments in here, and in response to the original topic, here is my input:

    It depends on the customers. My area of town is predominantly white, like throwback redneck types. The black girls at the dive out here do seem to have more issue making money. At my club in an area of town with all kinds of customers, the black ladies do just fine. The old white farts LOVE them, and most of them get along with the young guys very well, so that's where they tailor their attention to. Most of them seem to know who to avoid and who to approach.

    I have seen management at many clubs put a quota on black girls though, or else only hire those who are dressed up in full lingerie and look like a class act (they don't hire the girls who appear to have come from the ghetto, and will send them to one of the "hood" clubs).
    What part of Phoenix has throwback rednecks? I can only think of one club that would be in a "redneck" part of town.

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    Thinking more about the original question. I would say that in real life I think white women are desired more for overall but I think in a strip club setting overall for the average guy I'd say no - guys are horny. This all depends on the customer though. Every customer thinks differently. They are not all the same. There are going to be some guys that obviously don't like black women and will say no but there are also guys who don't like white women and say no to them too. The main problem is the management/owner. They are the ones who decide who they are going to hire. I also don't think because a black girl is dark skinned she will be at a disadvantage. Depends on the guy. If you just focus on the whales/guys that really have money - you'll make money. Don't waste time trying to appease everything customer. No matter what we look like none of us will be able to get 100% of guys to by dances from us.

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    Default Re: Strippers of all races, tell the truth. Are white dancers more desired than black

    No. A pretty girl is a pretty girl regardless of her race. Most men just want a girl that is attractive, likeable and sensual. In every race, there is a girl like that. I have danced with many non white dancers and I've seen them make bank and have steady regulars (mostly white guys). From what I've seen, the only men who are insistent on only dancing with white girls are the weasel-y old fashion types. But if a girl is hot and takes good care of herself, it doesnt matter if she's white black or bright green, she'll get dances!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightGoddess View Post
    The only reason a girl does not make as much money as someone else is because she did not hustle hard enough or get lucky enough to get the whale. I have seen many, many times black girls and asian girls make more than white girls.
    I have to disagree. Some times, even the best hustlers just aren't going to make good money if their persona doesn't work for the club they're in.
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
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    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    ^Agreed. I also think WoC, especially darker skinned girls, have to hustle way harder to make the same amount of money as the white girls / lighter skinned girls they work with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nina_ View Post
    ^Agreed. I also think WoC, especially darker skinned girls, have to hustle way harder to make the same amount of money as the white girls / lighter skinned girls they work with.
    I disagree. Not if she is working in a predominately white club. I don't think white men care if a girl is light or dark skinned. It is blacks who care more about that.

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    Why would a good hustler be in that kind of club then? If you are not making money at a club, you leave and find a place where the money is good for you and you can hustle well.

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    Default Re: Strippers of all races, tell the truth. Are white dancers more desired than black

    Quote Originally Posted by Christina2013 View Post
    What part of Phoenix has throwback rednecks? I can only think of one club that would be in a "redneck" part of town.
    There's a few. Apache Junction mainly, but the part of Phx that I'm from is 98% white and has plenty of the old school hicks left, and those people do go to some of the clubs out that way... not the whole customer base but enough to make their presence known.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    There's a few. Apache Junction mainly, but the part of Phx that I'm from is 98% white and has plenty of the old school hicks left, and those people do go to some of the clubs out that way... not the whole customer base but enough to make their presence known.
    Just asking cause I've lived in Arizona my whole life and the only club in a "redneck" area is the Desert Flame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christina2013 View Post
    I disagree. Not if she is working in a predominately white club. I don't think white men care if a girl is light or dark skinned. It is blacks who care more about that.
    True there is colorism among blacks but also some white customers do this as well. I've heard way too many ridiculous comments about skin tone and hair texture and how having less black features gives white men, and even other races of men, some type of reassurance of being with a black woman.

    Overall colorism originated from slave times where lighter skinned or mixed blacks were 'favored' by being able to work in the house vs outside in the field. So blame the slave owners for passing down such ignorant beliefs.

    I say reject this ignorance. You cant control the skin your were born in or your DNA.
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    Default Re: Strippers of all races, tell the truth. Are white dancers more desired than black

    I just really don't buy into this idea that darker skinned WOC have no luck at the club. I've personally known 2 very dark skinned WOC dancers who earned as much as me (one girl earns quadruple what I earned- she looks like Iman in terms of face & figure, so that kind of explains it.)

    Also in a city close to me Somalian girls have been known to work at the better clubs and with the fee structure of those clubs....they couldn't afford to keep working if they weren't able to make a profit. Fees and tip outs in those clubs easily exceed $120 anywhere.

    People in general don't realize that men going through mid-life crisis (aka a very profitable phase for that kind of man's stripper friends LOL) will often go on sprees of "adventure", wild behavior and extended vacations. He will try things he never tried before and go places he was too shy/underconfident/ignorant for before he matured.

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    Default Re: Strippers of all races, tell the truth. Are white dancers more desired than black

    Dark skinned WOC can bank but all the ones I've seen have been very petite. Lighter skin gets more leeway in terms of build. (My observations in PA clubs)
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightGoddess View Post
    Why would a good hustler be in that kind of club then? If you are not making money at a club, you leave and find a place where the money is good for you and you can hustle well.
    Good hustlers normally won't STAY at a club that doesn't work for them if they have a choice.
    Exotic dancing is like any other job.
    If you work in an office, you wear dress shoes and a suit.
    If you work in a restaraunt, you wear skid resistant shoes and a uniform.
    If you work in a strip club, you wear 7" stilettos and lycra g-strings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    I just really don't buy into this idea that darker skinned WOC have no luck at the club.
    I think this is a good point you have snuffleufflegrass - that is not to buy into other peoples irrational beliefs and prejudices. I'm not saying darker skinned women have absolutely no luck at the club because many, like the women you work with do, but that colorism / racial prejudice is real and does in fact exist in some regions / clubs. Me personally I believe my time is just as valuable and my looks are just as appealing as a white woman and I charge just as much as white dancers but if I felt I was up against very strong prejudice that affected my income I would move, if possible, to an area where skin color is less of a factor.
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    So, I had heard the term "white privilege" in my university classes, but had never understood what it actually meant until I started stripping. There is a crazy hiring standard for white women versus black women but there isn't such crazy discrimination among the clientele. I'm also a white female, so I really don't understand what WOC experience. I've just noticed the ridiculous hiring standards and "quotas" of WOC that clubs have. It's ridiculous. I was auditioning with this beautiful black girl once, and she was given a shitty shift, while I was given the prime shit. I'm an average, at best, looking dancer. This girl was soo beyond more beautiful than I was, but I had that "privilege" of being blond haired, blue eyed.

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    ^^Exactly. "White privilege" really does exist. It is an extremely unfortunate fact, and completely unfair, and humanity should really evolve past this problem.

    All I can say is thank goddess for urban clubs. At least black dancers have an advantage there (given they have the body and stage moves.)
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    Honestly this thread is making me happy I don't work in the us

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    It can sometimes depend on management too and what THEY want vs what the customers want as well. From personal experience I have seen managers automatically throw black women on the day shift of thier club giving them bogus excuses on why night time was not available but yet a non black new dancer gets the privilege of having night shishift. Sometimes the manager can be pretty surprised on what men of all races like but chooses to go thier own route.

    I feel upscale clubs to be more open when hiring black women b/c of thier strict policies which already excludes 75 percent of dancers anyways so if ANY women fits the high class look, they are hired.

    Customers like all kinds of women including black so if these managers would remove thier heads from where the sun doesn't shine maybe they could make more business and make more profit by delivering diversity and more options to thier customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christina2013 View Post
    I disagree. Not if she is working in a predominately white club. I don't think white men care if a girl is light or dark skinned. It is blacks who care more about that.
    This is actually a good point. In the same vein, when I wear any kind of 'fake' hair it is more often black guys who comment on it rather than white guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christina2013 View Post
    I disagree. Not if she is working in a predominately white club. I don't think white men care if a girl is light or dark skinned. It is blacks who care more about that.
    So are we saying no prospective customers will be black? If you are "it is blacks who care more about that," that STILL means a darker skinned chick will have a harder time!

    As well as with white customers. My old best friend, who I danced with for years, is a very dark skinned black girl. The "playing field" for her is not even, nor is it for most of the dark girls at my club. They have to hustle way harder. Lighter skinned black girls do too, but darker skinned ones have it worse IMO. Besides, a lot of lighter or even medium skinned black girls can "pass" for being mixed with other things.

    My mom is mostly black, but I'm white on my dad's side (mostly Ukranian) customers usually think I'm Italian, Middle Eastern, Indian, or sometimes Latina (the guesses are endless really). I've definitely encountered racist remarks about black girls there from customers who didn't know yet that I am part black...

    Saying that white girls are "more desired" is tricky, but in terms of strip clubs, I acknowledge that it's easier for a white woman to consistently make money - as long as you're at a white or mixed club, there is ALWAYS a demand for them. I'm not saying black girls can't make a bunch of money, but at a lot of clubs they are exceptions to the rule, and they also tend to have higher standards for getting hired. At the first club I ever worked at, one of the top earners was dark skinned. She also had huge boobs, a tiny waist, not-so-huge ass, long legs, and an exotic face. She looked like a black barbie and had two master's degrees so she knew how to converse and hustle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nina_ View Post
    So are we saying no prospective customers will be black? If you are "it is blacks who care more about that," that STILL means a darker skinned chick will have a harder time!

    As well as with white customers. My old best friend, who I danced with for years, is a very dark skinned black girl. The "playing field" for her is not even, nor is it for most of the dark girls at my club. They have to hustle way harder. Lighter skinned black girls do too, but darker skinned ones have it worse IMO. Besides, a lot of lighter or even medium skinned black girls can "pass" for being mixed with other things.

    My mom is mostly black, but I'm white on my dad's side (mostly Ukranian) customers usually think I'm Italian, Middle Eastern, Indian, or sometimes Latina (the guesses are endless really). I've definitely encountered racist remarks about black girls there from customers who didn't know yet that I am part black...

    Saying that white girls are "more desired" is tricky, but in terms of strip clubs, I acknowledge that it's easier for a white woman to consistently make money - as long as you're at a white or mixed club, there is ALWAYS a demand for them. I'm not saying black girls can't make a bunch of money, but at a lot of clubs they are exceptions to the rule, and they also tend to have higher standards for getting hired. At the first club I ever worked at, one of the top earners was dark skinned. She also had huge boobs, a tiny waist, not-so-huge ass, long legs, and an exotic face. She looked like a black barbie and had two master's degrees so she knew how to converse and hustle.
    I would not dance in Michigan or anywhere in the south for example. Experienced traveling dancers find the clubs that suit them. If I already know black men don't really spend money and no where close to what whites spend why would I waste my time approaching a black guy for a dance when they usually just wanna holla or talk. I work in Arizona, on the east coast and in the midwest. For me, my clubs don't get too many black guys. Maybe a couple a day. My Arizona club doesn't even get a black customer everyday. This may be racist but I only approach white guys and latin guys second. Black men largely do not spend money I'm sorry but its true. So I do not care if he is racist against his own kind or gives some money to a light skinned chick. I need vip rooms. I got 5 last night from 4 different white guys. Anyone who really knows how to hustle will make money. If it is that bad where you live for dark skinned women. I'm glad I don't have to work there. Keep in mind guys always trash talk other dancers. I always here how guy don't like blondes, white girls, mexican girls etc and as soon as I leave they are with a girl like that. I even here almost everyday about how some guy doesn't like fake tits and then they go buy dances from a girl with fakes.

    I know a 50 year old attractive black dancer. I would consider her medium skinned. She pulled in 11,000 in 2 weeks (12 shifts) back in February of this year working at a whole in the wall strip club with a no touch policy in South Dakota. So I know or have known many black women dark/medium who bank. Just depends on where you dance. She also travels from Milwaukee to work in South Dakota so she must be making $$ there.

    IMO black women (not mixed) face most of their discrimination from black and Asian customers (2 groups who largely never spend) and the management when initially getting hired. Like I said if she works in a majority white club she'll be fine. Yes there is gonna be some white guys who don't like black women too but if u focus solely on high rollers and dudes with money you'll make money if you got a mouth piece.
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    Many high end clubs do this all the time. Thanks for admitting that average white girls can work in high end clubs and a black girl (not mixed) has to be top notch to be given a chance and some don't get the chance because of racist hiring policies.

    QUOTE=fionatulip;2748183]So, I had heard the term "white privilege" in my university classes, but had never understood what it actually meant until I started stripping. There is a crazy hiring standard for white women versus black women but there isn't such crazy discrimination among the clientele. I'm also a white female, so I really don't understand what WOC experience. I've just noticed the ridiculous hiring standards and "quotas" of WOC that clubs have. It's ridiculous. I was auditioning with this beautiful black girl once, and she was given a shitty shift, while I was given the prime shit. I'm an average, at best, looking dancer. This girl was soo beyond more beautiful than I was, but I had that "privilege" of being blond haired, blue eyed.[/QUOTE]

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    Default Re: Strippers of all races, tell the truth. Are white dancers more desired than black

    I think it's a matter of overly simple phrasing to ask if white dancers are more desirable than black dancers. The answer is obviously no. However...

    If you ask, "Can black dancers encounter racism that white dancers are generally unencumbered by, and can it negatively impact their earnings?" You only need to work in a club that has a quota for black girls or hear customers say some fucked-up racist shit to know the answer to that.

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    Default Re: Strippers of all races, tell the truth. Are white dancers more desired than black

    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Guys are so dumb. If they dont want to be freaked out they should ASK first before running their filthy hands through anybody's hair.

    I wear my natural hair just because I like to do pole tricks and I'm scared the wig will come flying off but many of the coworkers wear wigs and weaves - including white dancers.
    yeah but it's assumed to be their real hair usually if it looks real. I know because my coworker wore a full wig and despite having worn a fake ponytail last time I saw her at work people assume it was her real hair despite it being much thicker and longer in only a matter of a few days.

    It's more assumed black girls wear fake hair when the hair is longer in any environment.

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