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    @Scarlettkitten, I knew there would eventually be someone who would misinterpret what I said. The original posters question was "Are white dancers more desired than black ones." To which I basically said that I don't believe they are discriminated against conciously because of their skin tone alone, but other factors that may play a role. If you don't like my dog analogy then I'll use a different one....ok, so we all know black is a slimming color. Why is it a slimming color? Because it HIDES DETAILS and DOESN'T MAKE THINGS STAND OUT. If a dancer with a dark skin tone wears a dark or black colored outfit it makes it harder to see her in a dimly lit club. Again these are not all things that I particularly believe myself so don't shoot the messenger. What i said is based off of what I've learned from studying customers. And you're correct, there are ghetto white girls too and most classy men reject them as well as the ghetto black girls they are trying to emulate. Men are stupid. I'm trying to give some insight into how alot of THEM think. I knew these three black girls at my old club, they were all top earners and good friends. One was very light, one was more medium tone, and one was very dark. Two of them had their hair natural and the other one had a weave but it was a natural color for her and was done well. They all wore classy bright colored lingerie, they all smiled alot and came across as very friendly. Like I said these girls always made alot of money from all types of people. The debate isn't if guys should touch your hair or not.
    It's a fact that different races are generlized in different ways. Is it fair? no. I'm simply giving some insight into how customers generalize girls and how to not be put in to that box if you don't want to be. Forget anything about race for a second. Everything I said could still be good advice to any dancer. "wear somthing that makes you stand out." "Smile and be approachable" "keep your hair looking clean and taken care of" "build trust with the customer" "complement the customer" " dance to music that is more neutral and won't turn off old guys who generally have the money"
    " Be classy and speak properly."

    The original poster wanted to talk about black vs white dancers and even admitted that she thinks that whites are more desired.

    That's why I directed my response towards what black girls could do differently that may help, and to shine some light on the subject of how customers commonly perceive things.

    I was trying to let her know that it probably wasn't so much about skin color alone but possibly other factors SOMETIMES ASSOCIATED with black dancers that she might consider revamping in order to appeal to a larger audience.


    I've never seen anyone with black skin that's an ignorant statement.

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    Default Re: Strippers of all races, tell the truth. Are white dancers more desired than black

    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    If I was adopting a dog or cat, I'd be going for the black one. I used to have a black kitten named Sabbath.
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    My black cat is Pantera.

    It seems that in most clubs in LA, Hispanic and Asian dancers seem to be the money makers. There are a few areas in my city where white dancers seem to make more: the beach cities, the west side and Hollywood. The other areas: Curvy Latinas and Asians of all sizes do better.

    With black dancers: it really depends on the dancer. I've met some who banked and some that had a harder time. Some were thick and some thin. So many factors....

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    GIRL, your last paragraph really fucked up my mind. Like what..?
    I know this is kinda old, but nothing bothers me more than people who say stuff "but I'm X ethnicity, you can't expect me to do this right". Also, I don't like the term "woman of color" when I'm whiter than over half of the whites I've met (I'm a Puerto Rican). Why aren't they people of color as well? They certainly have more color than me.





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    What? Why aren't tanned white women considered women of color??? Cause they're born white!

    However that Rachael dolezal challenged us all to look at racial identity as a factor so if they believe and live like they are another race then technically they could consider themselves women of color. This lady was lily white and considered herself a "woman of color". And women of color sounds much better than just 'colored' which is outdated. But Actually anything with the word color when referring to people does sound kinda weird. If we have to be labeled I prefer the scientific terms.

    I do think white dancers are more desired in clubs especially where patrons are predominantly white. Or at least that's what the owners want us to believe.

    Let's all be real...how many clubs have a 'quota' restricting black or non white dancers??? I bet youll never see a white dancer quota.
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    ^ Wont see a stupid dancer quota either
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    What? Why aren't tanned white women considered women of color??? Cause they're born white!
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    Met tons who are not artificially tan (including sun tanning). Why aren't they "women of color"?! French, Italian, Irish and Welsh are the ones who are like 80% of the time much darker than me. My son's two therapists are naturally much darker than me.





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    I think those groups would still not be considered women of color cause their ancestors originate from Europe and they'd be considered white/Caucasian even though they naturally tan easy. I could be wrong but if I met someone that was not Asian, Indian, Hispanic, or Black I would not consider them to be women of color

    To me the 'women of color' term doesn't necessarily mean skin color. The term applies to the race/where their ancestors originated

    But hey if they believe they are women of color then more power to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    I think those groups would still not be considered women of color cause their ancestors originate from Europe and they'd be considered white/Caucasian even though they naturally tan easy. I could be wrong but if I met someone that was not Asian, Indian, Hispanic, or Black I would not consider them to be women of color

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    The Spanish language came from...EUROPE! It didn't evolve in the Americas. Not all Hispanics are "women of color".





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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    What? Why aren't tanned white women considered women of color??? Cause they're born white!
    LOL...

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    Default Re: Strippers of all races, tell the truth. Are white dancers more desired than black

    In todays day and age no. Girls of color and spanish girls (at least in nyc) i see make more because the fad is thin waist, big butt and twerk skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    The Spanish language came from...EUROPE! It didn't evolve in the Americas. Not all Hispanics are "women of color".

    If you can't enter a kkk meeting, then you're a woman of color.

    Maybe fair skinned Latinas / Hispanics identify and could pass as white however if you're mixed with Hispanic/ Latin ancestry then you could also identify and be considered as woman of color.

    So yes the white Hispanics you refer to could identify with both.

    But assuming white privileges exist, a white Hispanic would probably chose not to identify as woman of color especially if they are fair skinned.

    Thus further proving my theory that white dancers are more desired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    If you can't enter a kkk meeting, then you're a woman of color.

    Maybe fair skinned Latinas / Hispanics identify and could pass as white however if you're mixed with Hispanic/ Latin ancestry then you could also identify and be considered as woman of color.

    So yes the white Hispanics you refer to could identify with both.

    But assuming white privileges exist, a white Hispanic would probably chose not to identify as woman of color especially if they are fair skinned.

    Thus further proving my theory that white dancers are more desired.



    Race has nothing to do with looks. A good population of black Americans look Caucasian. That doesn't make them anything but black. A Hispanic can look white that doesn't make them white either.


    I identify as black. I don't see myself as anything else just because people who don't know me may think I'm white. It's not about looks. It's about heritage.

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    Thats exactly what I said earlier!

    We were talking about White Hispanics and would they be considered women of color.

    Technically you could identify with whatever race you wanted to identify with. Majority of the time we self-identify/self-report our own race. Plus, its not like anyone is going to analyze a persons genes/dna to determine race. And race does have to do with looks to a certain extent. Certain races have consistently been known to have certain features. But of course there are always exceptions.

    I was also referring to people who identify with one culture or race even though thats not in their DNA/ancestry. Like for example adopted women who were adopted by a family with different race but identify with the culture and race of their adopted parents.
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    there's also what people refer to as "white passing", the people who reap a lot of the same benefits and privileges in this culture as caucasians. with strip club owners , it is of course "all about looks". if for all intents and purposes you look white, black girl quotas are probably not something you need to worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Thats exactly what I said earlier!

    We were talking about White Hispanics and would they be considered women of color.

    I was also referring to people who identify with one culture or race even though thats not in their DNA. Like for example adopted women who were adopted by a family with different race but identify with the culture and race of their adopted parents.

    I don't really get that though. If you're adopted you're still biologically what you are. Not acknowledging that kind of is just something I couldn't personally agree with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    there's also what people refer to as "white passing", the people who reap a lot of the same benefits and privileges in this culture as caucasians. with strip club owners , it is of course "all about looks". if for all intents and purposes you look white, black girl quotas are probably not something you need to worry about.
    Oh that makes sense. What happens if someone gets hired and they appeared white to them and then summer came and they looked otherwise. Does someone get fired? Lol.

    Because that's what happened to me at novum. They wanted Caucasian patients and then summer came and I didn't qualify until autumn now. But that was for medical purposes so it kind of works differently. I wouldn't think the same would exist for this? Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmjctg View Post
    Oh that makes sense. What happens if someone gets hired and they appeared white to them and then summer came and they looked otherwise. Does someone get fired? Lol.

    Because that's what happened to me at novum. They wanted Caucasian patients and then summer came and I didn't qualify until autumn now. But that was for medical purposes so it kind of works differently. I wouldn't think the same would exist for this? Right?
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    you've lost me lol
    Well some people are naturally lighter without the sun and tan in the summer heavily. That's what I was refering to. I'm like a skin type 4 so in the winter I look fair to light due to the skin type being melanocompetent. At novum they do skin cream studies for people with skin types 1-3 people with lighter skin. I've participated in them in the autumn and winter months but not in the summer because of tanning. Types 3 and 4 are identical when sun exposure is minimum. Anyhow I was related my experience to this in that if there were a quota and I got hired when summer came would they then have to fire someone as you said it's about looks. If someone changes their look to look more ethnic. I kind of doubt that they would remove one of the dancers due to them being over quota of how many dancers of colors there were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmjctg View Post
    A Hispanic can look white that doesn't make them white either.
    Girl, you need to read the "CIA World Book of Facts 2016". If a Hispanic looks white is because...she/he is white! There is this country called Spain, for example, that has nothing but white Hispanics. Argentina has more whites per capita than the USA. There is a member in these forums (BarbieNYC) who's a blonde Colombian. Being white and Hispanic are not mutually exclusive, I wish some people would understand that, especially since "Hispanic" as an ethnicity was invented in the 70's. Before that, they identified as whatever race they were. The late Desiderio Arnaz (Ricky Ricardo from "I Love Lucy") was a white Cuban, so in the pre Hispanic era he was just another white person.





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    Race and ethnicity and culture and what not can be complex and evolving.

    Hopefully this thread can be a learning experience. I know it is for me.

    I just know at the end of the day we are all humans and should be allowed freedom to work any club and attract any race or ethnicity of customers we choose. Skin tone shouldn't be barriers in 2015 America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    Girl, you need to read the "CIA World Book of Facts 2016". If a Hispanic looks white is because...she/he is white! There is this country called Spain, for example, that has nothing but white Hispanics. Argentina has more whites per capita than the USA. There is a member in these forums (BarbieNYC) who's a blonde Colombian. Being white and Hispanic are not mutually exclusive, I wish some people would understand that, especially since "Hispanic" as an ethnicity was invented in the 70's. Before that, they identified as whatever race they were. The late Desiderio Arnaz (Ricky Ricardo from "I Love Lucy") was a white Cuban, so in the pre Hispanic era he was just another white person.


    lol that's really funny. Ricardo looks black to me. He'd easily fit in my dad's family that's black. His wife was white not him. There's an obvious difference. If you look up genetic studies in this area. Most of the populations have admixtures especially Cubans. In fact most Cubans are mulatto. Or have some African ancestry.


    And Spanish people are not Hispanic. Only those from their colonies are.

    And being blond does not mean anything at all. My great grandma was blonde with blue eyes before it turned gray. And guess what she's all black too.


    You can have white ancestry. That in this country doesn't make you white. If Ricky was white. I guess we still have yet to get a black president. Because Obama is white too. lol

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    ^ hispanics merely means "spanish speaker". spanish comes from europe, so you can be ANY race and hispanic technically. latina/latino i believe means countries colonized by spain or countries in latin america..to technically brazilians would not be hispanic because they were colonized by portugal, yet i think most ppl would call a brazilian hispanic so it gets confusing.
    i thought this thread was talking about african american women tho lol, so that's what i was talking about in my first post..the whole skin tone debate has been going on for a long time with the "one drop" rule, or "paper bag test" so it gets complicated and ridiculous. basically though, in this industry and culture in general, anglo features seem to be more widely accepted as "beautiful", and the closer you are to them the easier it gets i think was the general gist of this thread
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    Default Re: Strippers of all races, tell the truth. Are white dancers more desired than black

    While this is an interesting discussion in its own right, it's gotten way off-topic from the point of the thread. Get it on track please or I'm going to start deleting off-topic tangents.
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    ^ hispanics merely means "spanish speaker". spanish comes from europe, so you can be ANY race and hispanic technically. latina/latino i believe means countries colonized by spain or countries in latin america..to technically brazilians would not be hispanic because they were colonized by portugal, yet i think most ppl would call a brazilian hispanic so it gets confusing.
    i thought this thread was talking about african american women tho lol, so that's what i was talking about in my first post..the whole skin tone debate has been going on for a long time with the "one drop" rule, or "paper bag test" so it gets complicated and ridiculous. basically though, in this industry and culture in general, anglo features seem to be more widely accepted as "beautiful", and the closer you are to them the easier it gets i think was the general gist of this thread

    no as a noun




    a Spanish-speaking person living in the US, especially one of Latin American descent.

    it's in the Americas. And no Brazilians technically are not.


    I actually thought it had to do with all races.
    Not just African American women.

    I didn't like the op though tbh. Because I think maybe that is true for Caucasians but what about other people's view of beauty? I don't think it's the same for people of all other races. I really do not.

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    Actually, I just want to asked some questions about this thread. First, Desi Arnaz was pure Spaniard and not a mulatto. Lucille Ball would have gotten into trouble for marrying a mulatto. In fact, Desi Arnaz was tested by many Hollywood big wigs to make sure he was not of African descent. There are tons of white Latin Americans including Ricky Martin, Carlos Ponce, Pitbull, and Belinda who are pure white. In fact, Carlos Ponce comes from PR While many Cubans are mulatto or even mestizo...there are more Criollos (Native born whites) in Cuba than people may think. Jay 12 was talking about how people forget the native porn whites called criollos in Latin America. Thus, Jay 12 is correct because Latin America is race, class, and ethnicity is broken down differently then in North America. Criollos rule Latin America while mestizos, mulattos, Native Americans, romany and pure blood blacks are at the bottom. In America, your grandmother is still black but in Latin America she would be a mulatto and quatoon if she was blond and blue eyed. Portuguese and Spaniards are white Latinos because they share the Iberian Peninsula and because they brought the culture to the Americas. Plus President Obama is a mulatto

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    Brazilians are called latinos because the Portuguese shares the Iberian Peninsula with Spain. Plus there are tons of Spaniards in Brazil


    Quote Originally Posted by dmjctg View Post
    lol that's really funny. Ricardo looks black to me. He'd easily fit in my dad's family that's black. His wife was white not him. There's an obvious difference. If you look up genetic studies in this area. Most of the populations have admixtures especially Cubans. In fact most Cubans are mulatto. Or have some African ancestry.


    And Spanish people are not Hispanic. Only those from their colonies are.

    And being blond does not mean anything at all. My great grandma was blonde with blue eyes before it turned gray. And guess what she's all black too.


    You can have white ancestry. That in this country doesn't make you white. If Ricky was white. I guess we still have yet to get a black president. Because Obama is white too. lol
    QUOTE=simone87;2811736]^ hispanics merely means "spanish speaker". spanish comes from europe, so you can be ANY race and hispanic technically. latina/latino i believe means countries colonized by spain or countries in latin america..to technically brazilians would not be hispanic because they were colonized by portugal, yet i think most ppl would call a brazilian hispanic so it gets confusing.

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