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    the low-rent behavior of customers even at top clubs vs the Upscale image we are required to portray? I've been feeling a lot of cognitive dissonance putting time into great makeup, hair, gown/dresses, expensive heels, etc. while dealing with bottom barrel, handsy, demeaning, and cheaptastic custies. I'm feeling like we have to be like models to have the privilege of being treated like crack hos on the crappiest stroll known to man! Not sure if my expectations are to high or if it's gotten funkier... IDK Even though I'm still making money it's just not the joyous experience it usually is.
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    I haven't worked in a club for two months at this stage. I found myself cancelling more and more shifts- delaying work. Just wasn't happy. Its feeling unappreciated that gets to me and yes, I do think there are less quality customers.

    If 90's was the best era for money making then the older men who spend are probably the tail end of customers from that time who learned what the social norms in the strip club are when we were treated as the queens that we are. The men in the club now and a proportion of the ageing customers are sprung from the "What am I gonna get for it/I can get that for free on social media crowd" which dictates a new club culture- the one in which I see women undervaluing themselves and allowing men to dictate terms, clubowners hiring lowest common denominator and turning a blind eye to rule and even law breaking (my last club).

    I go through phases of feeling/noticing this and for me I need to take a break and focus on my spiritual self- and then reasses where I'm at with club work. I feel you babe, I really, really do!
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    More fear-mongering? Really? Yes, this is not the 1990's anymore. Yes, things are changing. Either dance or don't. Freaking out and sowing fear isn't going to help anyone.




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    It's funny that I find myself getting wistful for the days when I worked at round-the-way clubs with guys who weren't so full of themselves. The money was not mindblowing BUT it wasn't a battle of wits or a wrestling match, or buy one get one free-because-he-didn't-get-a-good-grope...as the bouncers look on. Now that the quality guys are aging out and are on fixed incomes and some have moved away etc., I don't think I like this new generation of entitled douchebags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    I'm feeling like we have to be like models to have the privilege of being treated like crack hos on the crappiest stroll known to man
    Ugh. A couple of months ago at an "upscale" club (the last time I was in a club) I had the misfortune of dealing with some customer who was expecting the strippers to all be young ghetto or lower class girls or something. He asked me "if I was Amish" because I talked in complete sentences.

    A lot of them seriously expect it which is why I just dumb myself down and sometimes slur my words and talk with a lisp when I'm talking to them. They love it.


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    I've noticed this. Even in upscale clubs, as soon as a customer tells me that I look "classy", I can't seem to make any money.

    It's like being expensive-looking is now the stripper kiss of death.


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    I think clubs in general, all over the world, are slowly going downhill. And the customers are expecting more, more, MORE for less, less, LESS. Which is why I am slowly forging my exit plan.
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    I've seen alot of trashier lower class looking dancers that seem to get more dances due to this problem ^ I think it's the generation we're living in now (porn/free streaming of porn clips,vids is prevalent anywhere to any man that wants it) which makes it somewhat harder to make our goals bc then they figure "well, why should I have to pay X amount of dollars for your company?" I've also noticed a trend with most of these trashy broads getting these guys for their attention AND their money, which is the way they carry themselves promotes the idea for most men (looking to save in a sc) that "hey, I'm cheap, I'll entertain you for free and I'll do anything you want, but then when a prettier, more polished dancer approaches them, they're too intimidated to want to spend or chit chat long enough for that dancer to close a sale. I've seen it time & time again.
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    I've gotten lucky on my last few shifts but there have been times where guys make offers for VIP that's so low it makes me want to tear their anus hair out using a weed wacker.

    Some of them come to the club dressed to the t but then have the gall to complain about spending $60?!? Like if I have to pay $70+ to walk in the club then I expect any customer I'm with to at least be able to do the same.

    I have no problem walking off mid sentence if an offer is too low or getting money upfront from inebriated or handsy guys.
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    ^ Tear their anus hair out with a weed wacker, LMAO omg that's classic!
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    YES. i still haven't been able to bring myself to go back to work at the club and its almost been 6 months. i was putting my body and mind through the wringer and i'm just realizing how bad it was, now that i've taken a break. all the makeup, hair bleach, self tanner, hair straightening, fake lashes, 7 inch heels..the painful razor bumps every single day, the busted knees from going all out on stage for guys to put up 1 dollar each. my skin was broken out and dry, my lashes were almost completely gone, my hair had to be chopped off and that was nothing compared to the crap we have to put up emotionally and mentally.

    so when i go back, i'll throw some mascara and eyeliner on, maybe some nice lip stain but i'm not ruining my skin/hair/knees for these assholes anymore. and at the end of the day i really didn't notice any different in my earnings. i'm taking it slow and taking care of my body and myself first. these idiots dont even appreciate half the effort we go through for them.


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    ^ That a girl <3 haha I always say at the end of any bad night in the DR , what a waste of makeup & blood cells they are :x
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    i feel ok, actually. I've been noticing lately that i've been attracting higher-quality customers, after investing in more expensive shoes/ dresses/ jewelry/ makeup. My tolerance for gross cheapskates has dropped so low, i don't even sell them dances if i think they don't deserve it, and then i don't feel bad about missing out on that potential cash either.

    Part of me is surprised, to find that these great customers still exist... But I couldn't access them before, because of ways I didn't know I limited myself...

    Maybe you've just advanced far past the quality level of your current club, and you should legitimately be moving on to bigger, better things?

    I don't want to seem condescending. What I mean to say is... maybe this phenomenon is a blessing in disguise? You're amazing!!! And you realize it! Keep your expectations high, and demand that the world meets your standards. Don't settle for less!
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^ Yes, this 1000x

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    Wow, that is awesome^^
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    More fear-mongering? Really? Yes, this is not the 1990's anymore. Yes, things are changing. Either dance or don't. Freaking out and sowing fear isn't going to help anyone.




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    Quote Originally Posted by domina View Post
    i feel ok, actually. I've been noticing lately that i've been attracting higher-quality customers, after investing in more expensive shoes/ dresses/ jewelry/ makeup. My tolerance for gross cheapskates has dropped so low, i don't even sell them dances if i think they don't deserve it, and then i don't feel bad about missing out on that potential cash either.

    Part of me is surprised, to find that these great customers still exist... But I couldn't access them before, because of ways I didn't know I limited myself...

    Maybe you've just advanced far past the quality level of your current club, and you should legitimately be moving on to bigger, better things?

    I don't want to seem condescending. What I mean to say is... maybe this phenomenon is a blessing in disguise? You're amazing!!! And you realize it! Keep your expectations high, and demand that the world meets your standards. Don't settle for less!
    Send those sick jerks to school! Show them they can't afford you!

    No shade but you were describing the kind of thing I'm talking about right here: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...=1#post2737531

    You have seen the douchebaggery from custies but you're view is selective. We're looking over a period of time and in my case over a number of clubs in different regions. I may have gone as far as I can go with my current clubs but as I look over a dramatic change in the club culture, I see big changes. It's very sweet to share a pep talk. I love optimism but I need to leaven it with the observation that the custies are far more scummy and scammy as a whole and that goes for upscale, mid-scale, and dive clubs. So going to the 'next level' will not necessarily yield greater results, just more false pretense of gentility. It's like in Vegas, NY, Miami--upscale international level custies in terms of their bank accounts but the same mean spiritedness. I work in international level clubs drawing men from around the world and the higher level of douchebaggery from all regions is concerning. There used to be enough clean custies to opt out and clean clubs to opt out.

    My tolerance for gross cheapskates has dropped so low, i don't even sell them dances if i think they don't deserve it, and then i don't feel bad about missing out on that potential cash either.

    Part of me is surprised, to find that these great customers still exist... But I couldn't access them before, because of ways I didn't know I limited myself...
    In some clubs all the hustle, fitness, great fashion won't connect you since the pool has shrunk considerably.
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    I completely understand. Men these days expect girls to be perfect 10's, be endlessly entertaining, speak 5 languages, and fart rainbows - in order to be "worth" even a $1 tip. Not just in the clubs, but in the world in general, people have gotten so used to "instant gratification click culture." If you don't get exactly what you want or something 10x better than you were expecting in 5 seconds or less, you can just click to the "next best thing." People get such a sense of entitlement for what's even worth their free attention when they're clicking around the internet.

    Also, there's always talk about how economics are different now. Without getting too much into that, because I think we've all read about it endlessly by now, I would also wager that younger and younger people with less disposable income now feel "entitled" to adult entertainment. In the past, SCs might have been primarily for older businessmen who had a purpose when they walked in the door. Now, the younger generations have been getting free tube porn all their lives, and can, for the most part, go out and pick up a girl to hook up with any night they want. They then extrapolate that to thinking they "deserve" to be able to walk into a strip club instead of just a regular club, even though they don't have the extra money to spend on dancers along with all the regular expenses of a night club. And because now they're so used to "there's always plenty of free, better pussy the next click over," they regulate the dollars that go to the dancers rather than the alcohol or door cover, because we're now deemed "disposable."

    I now listen to friends my age and younger than me talk about just "heading over to the strip club" like it's just a normal bar... And I know they don't have the money to be spending on dancers. And then they'll literally have a conversation before they even go about what the plan is to be cheap - how they're not gonna spend any money on the dancers, how they'll only bring X amount cash, they'll only sit at the bar, "You don't have to spend money on the dancers, dude..." They totally think it's just "normal" to be entitled to walk into a SC instead of going to the regular bar right down the road when they have no intention of spending their measly dollars on the very thing that makes the SC a different and more appealing venue than a regular bar... It's fucking disgusting.

    Male entitlement these days really sickens me. Instant gratification/I can always find something better because we're so damn connected now mentality sickens me in anyone, actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora_Sunset View Post

    And then they'll literally have a conversation before they even go about what the plan is to be cheap - how they're not gonna spend any money on the dancers, how they'll only bring X amount cash, they'll only sit at the bar, "You don't have to spend money on the dancers, dude..." They totally think it's just "normal" to be entitled to walk into a SC instead of going to the regular bar right down the road when they have no intention of spending their measly dollars on the very thing that makes the SC a different and more appealing venue than a regular bar... It's fucking disgusting.

    Male entitlement these days really sickens me. Instant gratification/I can always find something better because we're so damn connected now mentality sickens me in anyone, actually.
    YESSSS! That's precisely what I was seeing and what domina was describing below. She has a great cautionary tale. I actually tried to explain this when I saw girl after girl going to bouncers saying this guy won't pay and then watching the performance of a lifetime out of him and his friends! Some idiot tried to say these things only happen to me and I must being doing something wrong or scamming them. I said this happens to EVERYONE. It happens most often in off times/seasons. THEY PLAN to come in and act a fool just as the bill comes. It's not coincidence. It's to the point on Fridays and Saturdays and very quiet shifts, I ask young guys to pay in advance. They get the deer in headlights look and you just know they were planning to take a giant shit on your night. One of my managers said there are guys who come in asking for the sun and moon and expect to grope the skin off you from the moment you get into the VIP/dance room until the second his time is up. "I'm cheap and I want everything I can get!" is how he describes it. How it is that we can see it but bouncers can't given the sheer volume of guys doing it, I can't imagine. One guy who didn't believe me one season had changed his tune by the time I returned and said 'the customers always do this.' Another one sat behind my guy and watched him say yes to dance after dance then start a performance saying loudly "I didn't ask for that, you just kept dancing." Scumbag. He walks over to the guy and said "I SAW YOU ASK FOR EVERY DANCE!!!" He was shocked and outraged. But I could have told him, this is what happens when you have no customer conduct standards.

    Clubs support this environment because they refuse to accept the temporary dip in the economy. Everybody else has made adjustments and sacrifice but the owners want to be exempt. They refuse to adjust and stupidly think it's helping them but guys order less and less alcohol, preferring to drink beforehand. They spend less on dances, watching the next table get them. I think they should stop floor dances entirely, have drink minimums, and tweak the music to be less inviting to the 25 and unders, even raise the entry age. I've seen clubs do it but there's so little will and they are quite short-sighted. I've seen this cycle happen in NY/NJ so many times and they don't realize entitled customers are like roaches--THEY BREED! They stifle the good customers around them, shame them, exploit them by blatantly staring at their performance purchase. They get entitled over drinks, space, and spend less and less, demand a whorehouse environment of open contempt and aggression, then abandon it once they've driven all the good performers away. John Taffer had an excellent few episodes about this showing clubs investing less and less into their business, allowing more and more abusiveness from custies, and showing why they make less and less in the end.


    Quote Originally Posted by domina View Post
    You guys ever get the occasional drunk customer who acts really sweet at first, like he's enjoying the dances and wants to get to know you better, but when its time to pay, he freezes-
    and when you demand the money, he all of a sudden starts acting surly and offended? And not only does he NOT have the money, he also gets loud and mean, calling you names, etc?

    It's weird, I used to get them once in a blue moon- not often at all- but this week alone I got two, and they were super similar.

    The first one (a few shifts ago) was bragging about how he is a music producer and has "girls riding his dick all the time" and was inviting me to go play with him at his penthouse, and when i asked him to pay for the dances first, he froze, then flat-out refused. I told a bouncer and we got money from his friend instead, all while this boy is screaming at me that I'm a whore, i should do escorting instead, etc. So dumb. I retorted, "Escorting is awesome, but you'd still have to PAY ME!" The guy's friend gave me an extra tip when he handed me the money. I told the guy's friend that since he gave me an extra tip, "i won't punch [him] in the face." The friend then said, "If you punch him in the face, I'll punch YOU in the face!" And then the bouncers had to intervene again. Management had a talk with me in the DR about how I need to step out of the situation next time, instead of causing things to escalate. I thought it was kinda funny how I was reprimanded for NOT punching anyone. I really wanted to! But I held back! I showed self-control!

    Last night another drunk boy tried the exact same trick. I think it might be that their egos think they're such hot shit they can cop dances for free, and then they're upset that they actually can't. This guy was $5 short and still hollering, "You're a WHORE! A filthy, disgusting WHORE! You're a piece of shit! You make me sick!"
    But instead of threatening to punch this one in the face, I just calmly told him, "Take that home and go to bed with it."
    And i hope he does.

    Anyways, advanced hustle technique, maybe? I could start hexing bad customers. Prayers work, and so do gentle, deliberate curses. I won't wish them any additional evils, i just want karma to hand them back the same dishes that they served.
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    There were plenty of cheap/ handsy customers in the 90's. It's funny this thread came up today, as I was talking to the DJ yesterday about night shift vs dayshift. He works both (in the same club, different days) and has a good handle on what is going on. He told me that night shift girls are actually earning less than day shift girls because dances are harder to sell at night. The night shift girls work longer shifts, take more turns on stage, rarely sell hour-long VIP shows and go home with the same or less $$ than day shift girls.

    The thing is, the club is busier at night, and the bar does a lot more business after 9pm. The girls are starting to figure it out and we've started seeing 10-15 dancers showing up for day shift on a daily basis. I'm almost done dancing, and only go in once a week now to see my long time regulars. But I have noticed that a lot of girls who were night shift only are starting to figure out the old guys with the money go home by 9-10pm, so they are coming in when the money is there.

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    Clubs support this environment because they refuse to accept the temporary dip in the economy. Everybody else has made adjustments and sacrifice but the owners want to be exempt. They refuse to adjust and stupidly think it's helping them but guys order less and less alcohol, preferring to drink beforehand. They spend less on dances, watching the next table get them. I think they should stop floor dances entirely, have drink minimums, and tweak the music to be less inviting to the 25 and unders, even raise the entry age. I've seen clubs do it but there's so little will and they are quite short-sighted. I've seen this cycle happen in NY/NJ so many times and they don't realize entitled customers are like roaches--THEY BREED! They stifle the good customers around them, shame them, exploit them by blatantly staring at their performance purchase. They get entitled over drinks, space, and spend less and less, demand a whorehouse environment of open contempt and aggression, then abandon it once they've driven all the good performers away
    100% concur of course. However, the fundamental factor on the clubowner's end that has yet to be discussed is that they are seeing their property taxes rise, their utility bills rise, their legal / accounting / other 'services' costs rise etc. As such, even if the clubowners are still raking in the same amount of house fees and percentage 'splits' from dancers, their margins are declining.

    Agreed that the latest generation of guys would appear to have a very different attitude than their 'fathers' in regard to how a dancer deserves to be treated, what sort of 'personal services' they should expect from dancers, what they should expect in exchange for their pitifully few dollars, etc. Poor job opportunities, depressed 'starting pay' rates, high student debt levels, and their own rising costs for food, rent, taxes, etc. all factor in.

    Arguably, the 'decline' in our industry got started about the same time that expense account write-offs for strip club customers were outlawed, and the 'dot-com' bubble burst, in 2000. The rate of 'decline' then accelerated big time in the aftermath of the 2008 'crash'. This was what prompted me to 'retire' from live dancing altogether !!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourdefranzia View Post
    There were plenty of cheap/ handsy customers in the 90's. It's funny this thread came up today, as I was talking to the DJ yesterday about night shift vs dayshift. He works both (in the same club, different days) and has a good handle on what is going on. He told me that night shift girls are actually earning less than day shift girls because dances are harder to sell at night. The night shift girls work longer shifts, take more turns on stage, rarely sell hour-long VIP shows and go home with the same or less $$ than day shift girls.

    The thing is, the club is busier at night, and the bar does a lot more business after 9pm. The girls are starting to figure it out and we've started seeing 10-15 dancers showing up for day shift on a daily basis. I'm almost done dancing, and only go in once a week now to see my long time regulars. But I have noticed that a lot of girls who were night shift only are starting to figure out the old guys with the money go home by 9-10pm, so they are coming in when the money is there.
    GGGGIIIIIRRRRRLLLL, I live by the swing shift for that very reason! YASSS! I'm all about the vintage custies who like to go home early. I agree!

    Now, I can't speak to individual clubs/areas in the 90s. I experienced individual custies getting handsy but I saw 90% clean custies vs 10% assclowns. Every club/area has it's life cycle so I can only share what I experienced in NY/NJ/PA and CT. I mean back then I saw Houston was still clean--I know hard to believe! I'm seeing a higher assclown ratio than ever as I've gone between a few states. But I really hope what you're saying is true that it's not every club. Also, I've consistently made better money in the less popular shifts. On weekend nights I actually lay in wait for the last two hours because these days dudes wait through the night like they're watching tv or something. Bananas.
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    ^^^ I would speculate that upscale big city 'show' clubs are the only segment of our industry where the decline / changes for the worse aren't immediately apparent. Of course, such clubs confining the decline / changes to the VIP room, while the main room still appears as it always did, is a whole 'nuther story ...

    Unfortunately, that probably means that neighborhood and smaller city clubs, which do not have access to a customer base dominated by top 10% earners, are only going to get 'worse'. Baby boomer demographics can't be ignored ... thousands of high earning, respectful, lower testosterone level guys are retiring every day ( and starting to pinch pennies the day after they retire ). And present day economic realities can't be ignored either ... high paying jobs sought by the 'younger' generation are being automated, exported, outsourced, filled by low pay rate H1-B visa foreign workers, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by melonie View Post
    ^^^ i would speculate that upscale big city 'show' clubs are the only segment of our industry where the decline / changes for the worse aren't immediately apparent. Of course, such clubs confining the decline / changes to the vip room, while the main room still appears as it always did, is a whole 'nuther story ...

    Unfortunately, that probably means that neighborhood and smaller city clubs, which do not have access to a customer base dominated by top 10% earners, are only going to get 'worse'. Baby boomer demographics can't be ignored ... Thousands of high earning, respectful, lower testosterone level guys are retiring every day ( and starting to pinch pennies the day after they retire ). And present day economic realities can't be ignored either ... High paying jobs sought by the 'younger' generation are being automated, exported, outsourced, filled by low pay rate h1-b visa foreign workers, etc.
    THISSSS ALL DAY!!! Our floor hasn't looked awful but the amount of VIPs has been shaky, funny money sold has been shaky. Even the activity level of the guys on the floor is different. They used to warm up and begin spending within an hour of arrival. Now it drags on as long as 2-3 hours.

    MOST of my best custies are Boomers and some email and text goodbye because they're selling their business, or retiring from their job and are moving or can't afford me anymore. Not too many Gen Xers able and willing to step up in their place. They'll get strings of dances but not multiple VIPs. It ain't the same. I hear the word budget every day and I don't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourdefranzia View Post
    The thing is, the club is busier at night, and the bar does a lot more business after 9pm. The girls are starting to figure it out and we've started seeing 10-15 dancers showing up for day shift on a daily basis. I'm almost done dancing, and only go in once a week now to see my long time regulars. But I have noticed that a lot of girls who were night shift only are starting to figure out the old guys with the money go home by 9-10pm, so they are coming in when the money is there.
    I work a swing shift, so I catch the older guys that are ready to spend money... we've always had a day shift that was good, but now the night girls (and I mean night girls that normally come in at 10pm) are showing up at 4pm. It's almost irritating to have the extra girls (because then we have to do satellite stages too) but I can see why they are doing it. One of the hottest girls there told me she had made $150 on a Friday night shift the other week... they HAVE to come in earlier now to make the same $$.

    I was definitely not dancing when some of you girls were, but I can still tell how cheap and entitled customers are. I think what irritates me the most is when they sit at the satellite stages and stare at the girls, but don't tip a single dollar. You can tell they think their $7 rum and Coke entitles them to a free show.
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    MOST of my best custies are Boomers and some email and text goodbye because they're selling their business, or retiring from their job and are moving or can't afford me anymore. Not too many Gen Xers able and willing to step up in their place. They'll get strings of dances but not multiple VIPs. It ain't the same. I hear the word budget every day and I don't like it.
    Unfortunately, there are far too many reasons to believe that this situation is becoming the 'new normal', as opposed to some temporary economic decline that will reverse itself any time soon. Those Gen Xers are probably extremely willing, but simply not able !!! And even if an economic recovery does take root on a sustained basis, the 'exchange' of retiring Baby Boomer customers for Gen X customers will still be a net 'loser' for dancers / strip clubs. Well at least that is likely to be the case for clubs that don't fall into the upscale big city category, and thus won't have much access to top 10% earner customers.


    now the night girls (and I mean night girls that normally come in at 10pm) are showing up at 4pm. It's almost irritating to have the extra girls (because then we have to do satellite stages too) but I can see why they are doing it. One of the hottest girls there told me she had made $150 on a Friday night shift the other week... they HAVE to come in earlier now to make the same $$.
    Again this tracks back to the nature of afternoon versus weekend night-time customers. Afternoon customers probably consist of older guys who are 'secure' enough in their 'professional' jobs ... or who operate their own businesses ... and are thus able to spend an afternoon away from work without getting 'called on the carpet'. They also are likely to be relatively high earners with relatively little personal debt, such that 'strip club budget' isn't a huge limiting factor. In contrast, weekend night-time customers are likely to be younger, likely to have lower earnings levels, likely to have high debt levels, etc. such that 'strip club budget' is a major limiting factor.
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    No shade but you were describing the kind of thing I'm talking about right here: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...=1#post2737531

    You have seen the douchebaggery from custies but you're view is selective. We're looking over a period of time and in my case over a number of clubs in different regions. I may have gone as far as I can go with my current clubs but as I look over a dramatic change in the club culture, I see big changes. It's very sweet to share a pep talk. I love optimism but I need to leaven it with the observation that the custies are far more scummy and scammy as a whole and that goes for upscale, mid-scale, and dive clubs. So going to the 'next level' will not necessarily yield greater results, just more false pretense of gentility. It's like in Vegas, NY, Miami--upscale international level custies in terms of their bank accounts but the same mean spiritedness. I work in international level clubs drawing men from around the world and the higher level of douchebaggery from all regions is concerning. There used to be enough clean custies to opt out and clean clubs to opt out.

    In some clubs all the hustle, fitness, great fashion won't connect you since the pool has shrunk considerably.
    I see what you mean!

    It's true, i do get plenty of douchebags to deal with. I guess I was thinking about the ways that investing further in my appearance/ hustle was actually paying off, rather than going to absolute waste... sort of playing devil's advocate. I do also come across excellent customers, and I like to celebrate and praise them so, that, maybe, if we're all lucky, that kind of thing will multiply as well. It does benefit me to stay as optimistic as possible while i find myself still working this job 3-4 days a week.

    I'd rather not believe that customer behavior, as a whole, is getting scummier and not bound on improving anytime soon... Am i in denial, or refusing to forfeit and surrender to pessimistic thinking? I'd also like to believe that even if i continually come across customers acting shitty, it is within my (our) sphere of influence to discipline/ change things for the better, with each shitty interaction that requires reprimanding/ educating, etc... Where else would change begin? For all of us who are mothers, shouldn't we teach our daughters of the next generation to be strong, and our sons to be respectful of women's boundaries? I feel like that's all relevant... The mission lasts a lifetime.

    But then again, i started dancing in 2007, and i never knew the 90s. Maybe if i did, I'd be much sadder!

    The first club that I ever started out at was an all-nude, high-contact club with a few terrifying experiences, and it feels like my situation has only been slowly improving over time, with each change of home club/ city. It could also be due to improvements that come with aging and building personal experience. Hard to say. That's just me.

    I know my input is useless for a dancer who is already at the top of her game at the best club in town, when moving isn't an option. But, in that case then, if she really doesn't think her environment will change anytime soon, i can only hope that her beauty and genius may find a better outlet than being spent and wasted on badly-behaving stripclub customers.

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