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    Ever since I came into the dancing industry I've been hearing about how girls back in the day used to make anywhere from $1,000-3,000 a night. $1,000 being on a bad night! That's pretty awesome considering a thousand is my good night! Do you guys think these days are ever going to come back or are they just long gone now?

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    Default Re: Are 'those days' ever going to come back?

    Never got to experience those days myself but unless the economy recovers to 90s levels and Internet porn magically vanishes, I'm guessing those days are over.


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    I think that if the economy does get a lot better it'll effect our industry tremendously. i really hope so!

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    Nope. This industry is dying a slow death. With stripping becoming mainstream the taboo aspect is no longer there. Yeah things may look ok and some are still banking but eventually it will catch up to everyone.
    Meanwhile let's all stick our heads in the sand and pretend this industry is thriving.
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    Ugh :/

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    Default Re: Are 'those days' ever going to come back?

    ^^^ this question has been covered in lots of other threads. For a fact, some permanent changes have taken place which had a huge negative effect on the exotic dancing industry since the late 90's ...

    - lawsuits brought by female stockbrokers resulted in court decisions banning the business expense tax deduction for businessmen to entertain clients in strip clubs. This resulted in billions of dollars worth of strip club customer spending reductions.

    - economic and tax policies since the late 90's have resulted in the vast majority of strip club customers having smaller take-home paychecks, and even smaller 'discretionary' spending dollars left over after paying for necessities like rent, food, energy, insurance etc. This resulted in additional strip club customer spending reductions.

    - between a 'tightening' market for unskilled jobs, as well as a progressive change in general 'attitude' toward sex, a large number of younger girls have turned to exotic dancing as a means to 'pay their bills' over the course of the last few years. This has lowered the customer to dancer ratio in most strip clubs. As a consequence, the relatively same number of strip club customer 'discretionary' dollars must now be split among more dancers.

    - the influx of younger dancers with a more liberal 'attitude' toward sex, in combination with the amount of non-contact sexually related content available on the internet, on cable TV, etc. have gradually pushed both strip club customers to expect high contact levels from dancers, as well as pushed dancers to provide high levels of contact. Over recent years, this has arguably resulted in a fundamental change in the strip club business model from 'show business' to 'sex business'. It's entirely possible that girls who treat their dancing jobs as 'sex business' can still earn an average $1000 a night. But it is now all but impossible for girls who treat their dancing jobs as 'show business' to do so.

    As Tempest666 already pointed out, I really don't see any way for the exotic dancing industry to ever return to the 'golden days' of the late 90's, simply because many of the underlying conditions which made those 'golden days' possible have now changed forever.
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    Meanwhile let's all stick our heads in the sand and pretend this industry is thriving.
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    I remember "those days" and boy were those the days my friend...

    But to answer your question no things will never be the same again. The golden age of adult work is long gone and will never come back. Best thing to do is make your money and get the hell out because with each and every day that passes things are just getting worse and worse. This reminds me of a movie I had seen a few years ago, I am not sure the name of the movie, maybe Idiocracy? But basically it took place somewhere in the future where everything was reduced down to a cheap commodity including sex work. Anyways in one part of the movie sexual services were being sold everywhere at fast food like joints for next to nothing prices. I think blowjobs were $10 or something? Whole point is that is where I see our industry going. Sorry, I am done with my rant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GirlDelux View Post
    I remember "those days" and boy were those the days my friend...

    But to answer your question no things will never be the same again. The golden age of adult work is long gone and will never come back. Best thing to do is make your money and get the hell out because with each and every day that passes things are just getting worse and worse. This reminds me of a movie I had seen a few years ago, I am not sure the name of the movie, maybe Idiocracy? But basically it took place somewhere in the future where everything was reduced down to a cheap commodity including sex work. Anyways in one part of the movie sexual services were being sold everywhere at fast food like joints for next to nothing prices. I think blowjobs were $10 or something? Whole point is that is where I see our industry going. Sorry, I am done with my rant.
    ^ OMG! My dad was the one who told me about "Idiocracy" from 2006. I took the time to see it and, so sad! A lot of it has come true! Cheap sex: check, Dumbing Down of median population: check Farts & Violence for Entertainment: check!

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    Most of my boomer and older regulars stopped coming in after the housing crash. Since their retirement income has been cut they are not going to come back or will only give me 200 verses the 700 they used to. I think there is still money in escorting, and dominatrix work with enough marketing. But as far as I can tell the golden days of stripping are down the toilet. Better to accept this and plan to exit than stay in and become miserable due to shitty working conditions. Either that or be willing to become an extras girl in order to keep making money. I am gonna pass on that though.
    But please ladies do not let this bring u down. Use this as motivation to go into another business or branch out in life to other things. Because eventually everyone stops working at the strip club.
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    It seems like porn and strip club is not the same as far as what women would earn for the same amount of work. But what is interesting like Melonie mentioned is the idea of 'sex' business and how more women seem to be going into escorting and camming either exclusively or doing this while stripping. So like the posters mention above don't put all your eggs in one basket and now is more important than ever to invest dance profits wisely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stripperMBA View Post
    But as far as I can tell the golden days of stripping are down the toilet. Better to accept this and plan to exit than stay in and become miserable due to shitty working conditions. Either that or be willing to become an extras girl in order to keep making money. I am gonna pass on that though.
    But please ladies do not let this bring u down. Use this as motivation to go into another business or branch out in life to other things. Because eventually everyone stops working at the strip club.
    I was just thinking exactly that. Even in the couple of yrs that I've been working at strip clubs, I've noticed less and less quality customers and more hoodlum types coming in. Even those with money want more more more. Finding someone who will spoil you without expecting extras is like hunting for a unicorn. At the very least we have sales experience, so if you're like myself and don't have anything beyond a high school degree, you can look at another sales job. Like real estate, jewelry, car dealership, etc. anything that targets those with money

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    Re- escorting money- it's taken a hit since the good old days (whichever decade you want to say.) I wasn't making easy money during my last years of escort work- it took all my spare time to screen appointments, travel enough to make a profit and to change up my advertising to keep up with competition. Aside from all that a top escort has to stay good looking and maintain her beauty, a total hardship in a lifestyle of long road trips, airline flights and shifting housing arrangements.

    I think strippers at top clubs will be able to make something close to the legendary "stripper money" tales...but a lot of smaller clubs are going to turn into what the UK has, "strip pubs."

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    I found the early 21st century very hit or miss. Sure, some places there was a lot of money to be had (NYC/ San Francisco/ Las Vegas/ Providence ). But there were a lot of financial crises that hit the top income earners the hardest. There was the dot bomb of 2000 where places that were dependent on the new high tech industry lost a fortune. There was also the aftermath of the Enron/ Worldcom which wiped out a lot of people's retirement staving. Oh, and Sept 11, 2001 emptied clubs from coast to coast for weeks. Folks just weren't in the mood to spend discretionary income out of fear. The Afghanistan War, then two years later the Iraq war, gave the economy scary dips at times.

    The big money is always a moving target. And usually, by the time you hear about it, the clubs become flooded with too many girls trying to jump on the bandwagon. If you are pretty good with data analysis and economic forecasts you could probably make an educated guess where the next big cash influx is likely to happen and just make sure you are dancing in that area at the right time.

    Always traveling to make the $$ gets exhausting after a while. Today I think it is probably best to build a stable customer base and work regular shifts seeing the same customers every week. A reliable $400-500 per shift is sustainable at most clubs with VIP rooms. You just have to work your regulars and work at building new business too so you don't become too dependent on just a few (or one) regular customer.

    Just remember, the big money days the older dancers reminisce about weren't as easy to come by as they remember. If someone claims that all the girls made $1000-2000 every night, they are full of shit. Some of the girls, maybe. Probably only 1 girl was able to pull in numbers like that on a consistent basis in most medium sized clubs.

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    not in the same way, no, of course not!!. things keep changing, and we need to change with the times and stop comparing apples to oranges. the ways girls used to make money are gone, but that doesn't mean money isn't there to be made. i've worked with plenty of girls making a grand a night. i wasn't one of them because it wasn't that important to me, but its possible, and i was working in a mid-tier club. and i saw the dance sheets to prove it.
    the economy is what is really hurting this industry more than anything ( i dont think porn or sexualization of culture has absolutely anything to do with it since that's not really what brings ppl in anyways, or deter them from coming in), but lets face it, ALL INDUSTRIES are suffering right now. its not just us. but the rich are getting richer, its all in how you market yourself
    ( and actually in "idiocracy", the female protagonist was a sex worker and made a killing in the new dumbed down world lol)

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    I still regret avoiding the sex industry when I was younger. I turned 18 in 98 and had several offers to cam when it was first starting to be a thing but the ass I was dating refused to let me. I could've done that or danced in NOLA and would probably be retired by 40 like Melonie. I didn't start dancing until 2008 right before the economy took a shit. Every year has been a little harder and while my managers respect me because I still almost always make money it's nothing compared to how it was when I started, and that was when I was an alcoholic newbie. I find myself wanting to travel dance more and more lately.

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    ^^ speaking of that I made a grand a night at my club. It was great. I literally just got fired last week over the dumbest thing and I don't know if they'll want me back! Just drama with another girl! Ugh. I really hope that at this new club I'm at I'll be able to make something. It obviously won't be grand right off the bat so I'm not really expecting that. But if I can make enough to pay my bills for now I'll be okay! I LOVED my club to pieces

    But anyways, I agree that it mostly has to do with the economy. And that's why it was probably blooming. And because the industry was newer I assume. At least there is of course still money to be made!
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    not in the same way, no, of course not!!. things keep changing, and we need to change with the times and stop comparing apples to oranges. the ways girls used to make money are gone, but that doesn't mean money isn't there to be made. i've worked with plenty of girls making a grand a night. i wasn't one of them because it wasn't that important to me, but its possible, and i was working in a mid-tier club. and i saw the dance sheets to prove it.
    the economy is what is really hurting this industry more than anything ( i dont think porn or sexualization of culture has absolutely anything to do with it since that's not really what brings ppl in anyways, or deter them from coming in), but lets face it, ALL INDUSTRIES are suffering right now. its not just us. but the rich are getting richer, its all in how you market yourself
    ( and actually in "idiocracy", the female protagonist was a sex worker and made a killing in the new dumbed down world lol)
    ^ Yes. And she became the First Lady:-)

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    These doomsday threads are the light of my life. I'm in Oklahoma, and we are making good money in topless bars. It's not the economy. It's your hustle. I work with girls who are comfortable making $70 a night, and at the same club there are girls whose bad nights are $500. Not everyone can or will make money, but it is still there. Men love naked dancing women and that will never change. Most girls just don't know how to hustle. There are girls out there right now making 1500+ per night. There are girls out there who will be owing tipout until the day they decide to just retire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightGoddess View Post
    These doomsday threads are the light of my life. I'm in Oklahoma, and we are making good money in topless bars. It's not the economy. It's your hustle. I work with girls who are comfortable making $70 a night, and at the same club there are girls whose bad nights are $500. Not everyone can or will make money, but it is still there. Men love naked dancing women and that will never change. Most girls just don't know how to hustle. There are girls out there right now making 1500+ per night. There are girls out there who will be owing tipout until the day they decide to just retire.
    Even the Roman Empire showed outward signs of prosperity while going down the shitter. It's not going to happen all at once.
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    I think it's partly the economy, partly the changing tide of the industry and the relatively sense of entitlement of club patrons, and partly on the girls. I agree with NightGoddess that you can still make decent money if you treat it like a JOB and keep yourself on point.

    From my perspective, girls have become very entitled. The new ones usually have this idea that it's just about being pretty. They aren't willing to work on their appearance/hustle, then bitch and moan that they made $100 in 8 hours... everyone has bad days but if I have a shitty day, it's usually at least partially on me for not approaching every last customer. A lot of the time when they look at the vets and get all "how did you make 3x that?!" it's just because we knew to keep on trucking and we'd eventually hit a spender. It's work ethic, IMHO.
    It's also harder sometimes just because of the constant influx of new girls. Everyone wants to be a stripper, and the sheer volume of girls makes it hard to weed through the place on a Friday evening and find those 2 or 3 spending customers that DON'T have a girl on their lap or are sick of being approached. For every one that quits in tears, 2 more want to audition.

    I do think there's an earnings cap based on your hustle, your appearance, the clientele, and the club's "mathematical" structure (i.e., how many songs to an hour, VIP room presence, are you allowed to raise your prices or does everyone have to charge $200/half hour, etc.). As Michele said in other threads, this is different from GIRL to GIRL, not CLUB to CLUB. The top hustler at one club may be on the bottom in another because she isn't used to the hustle or doesn't fit the look. Gotta take all 4 variables into account.

    I'll keep dancing, at least for supplemental income, as long as I'm not making super good money doing something else, and as long as the industry enables me to make what I consider acceptable money. However, if anything more negative happens, like if we get to a $5 dance being the base rate here, I will "make like a baby and head out".
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    ^^ I am SO scared that this is going to be me. The top Earner at my old club and the bottom earner at this place that I just started at. I hope to goodness this doesn't happen. The worst part is I don't think my club wants me back! For such silly reasons. I am really going to be on my game and hustle at this place!

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    I'll go down with the sinking ship dressed in my best. But I still know it's gonna sink sooner or later.
    Milk it while it's still afloat and gtfo.
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    I'm in Oklahoma, and we are making good money in topless bars. It's not the economy. It's your hustle. I work with girls who are comfortable making $70 a night, and at the same club there are girls whose bad nights are $500. Not everyone can or will make money, but it is still there.
    Indeed, please keep us posted regarding the Oklahoma economy and strip club earnings potential a few months down the road ... given that oil companies have already decided to cut back on well drilling / spending plans for this year, and have already warned of impending layoffs. Low oil prices will also drastically reduce 'royalty' earnings for OK landowners as well as the OK government.

    See


    Even the Roman Empire showed outward signs of prosperity while going down the shitter. It's not going to happen all at once.
    This point was specifically discussed in my link story. Many oil companies are contractually bound to subcontractors and service companies. Thus even though oil company management might wish to 'put the brakes on' immediately, pre-existing contracts will force them to complete the drilling of some number of wells already in progress, will force them to continue purchasing contracted goods ( like pipe ) and services ( like well testing ). But if the oil market doesn't reverse by the time existing contracts expire, and those expiring contracts aren't replaced with new contracts, a whole lot of high paying OK jobs could quickly disappear.


    I didn't intend to drift off topic, and I don't intend to be deliberately pessimistic. However, I felt it worthwhile pointing out the possibility that a certain amount of economic optimism may have been based on the fact that OK, like TX, ND etc., has enjoyed a vibrant oil driven economy over the past few years which hasn't been similarly shared by the rest of the USA.
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    I don't know, I've only been dancing for a few years, so I never personally experienced "the good old days." But I do think it's very relevant to consider that while the financial circumstances influencing dancer income have changed (i.e. everything Melonie pointed out, and that is totally significant, don't get me wrong) ... the sex industry itself will never be obsolete.

    It's not like 8-track players or fountain pens. We are not replaceable, after all, what other careers span the entirety of human civilization? The challenge for dancers is to navigate the new environment and to adapt, improvise, and overcome.

    Furthermore, an anecdote: at my mid-tier, tiny club, it's actually still very simple to gross $1k nightly. The greater challenge is to keep as much of it as possible, because the fees/tip out are typically 50% or more, thus resulting in a "normal" take-home of around $500. The money is there. Clever dancers just have to figure out how to best work the system.

    ... Which makes me think that the best thing to do would be to start my own club once I'm tired of being a dancer! Because there's still for sure a TON of profit in owning a strip club.

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