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    Has anyone ever tried "broke shaming" guys who claim they don't have the money for a dance? Have you actually succeeded in selling a dance afterwards?

    I'm thinking this could go one of two ways (and I'd only try these in clubs that have high turnover and fewer regulars):

    1) The guy you're hustling says he has no money for a dance. Your target is this customer. You are sitting close to another customer, and you loudly ask your target "Did you say you don't have $20 to spend on a dance?!" The aim here would be to indirectly shame your target customer by setting up the potential for another man to hear that he can't afford a dance, thus placing pressure on him to prove himself as a man.

    2) The guy you're hustling says he has no money for a dance. Your target is a different customer. You start by loudly repeating "Did you say you don't have $20 to spend on a dance?" You then turn to a nearby customer (your actual target) and lightly ridicule the original customer. "Wanna hear something funny? This guy came into a strip club and can't afford a $20 dance!" You can take this in one of two directions. You can either return to your original customer and say "Are you SURE you don't have $20 to play with me?" or you can abandon your original customer and pull a fast hustle on the second guy. "I bet YOU aren't that lame. I bet you're ready to take me in the back right now. Let's go have fun!" (stand up, taking customer #2's hand) This puts pressure on the second customer to prove (and decide very quickly) that he is a more powerful male than the first guy, which taps into some pretty primal urges.

    I've never tried either, and they're definitely high-risk hustles. I would only try option #2 on a customer who looks like a businessman personality type (never on a quiet-looking, sweet, thoughtful type). But if you have the right persona (ice queen, bitch, party girl), or even if you're just in a shitty mood and can't turn the night around, it might be worth a try.

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    Might be worth a try..


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    I wish I could post on a billboard with flashing lights "If you aint got money then get your broke a$$ out the club" as soon as someone complains about not having money for a dance buuuut I just can't even focus on the cheapos cause it will ruin my night. I just leave as soon as possible and remember their face so I don't approach them again in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    I wish I could post on a billboard with flashing lights "If you aint got money then get your broke a$$ out the club" as soon as someone complains about not having money for a dance buuuut I just can't even focus on the cheapos cause it will ruin my night. I just leave as soon as possible and remember their face so I don't approach them again in the future.
    Totally! Usually when guys say they only brought $x, they're lying. So this is essentially an attempt to call their bluff and get a dance out of the deal after wasting time trying to hustle them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    Totally! Usually when guys say they only brought $x, they're lying. So this is essentially an attempt to call their bluff and get a dance out of the deal after wasting time trying to hustle them.
    Ahhh yes. Thats why I glimpse in wallets with my peripheral vision. And quote the higher price. I have had a couple times where they tried to negotiate down to a lower range making it seem like they were sooo poor then after our VIP I glimpse in their wallet and still see lots of twenties in there! Im like I feel totally bamboozled right now. Your wallet should be empty or close to empty right now *ugh*
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    I've occasionally given a guy crap when he says he didn't bring any money/is out of it/whatever. Hasn't resulted in a dance, but it's probably largely my attitude, which is mostly mean-spirited at that point because I do not appreciate my time being wasted.

    However, one time I had this guy who was gushing about how I was his favorite and he couldn't say "no" to other girls out of being polite and was wasting his $$ on them... so I gave him tons of crap for being a grown ass man that couldn't say no and handle his $$, then said "Sorry I don't sit for free and you'd have to make it worth my while to sit here" in this tone that he could not possibly afford it... he ended up handing me $500 because I hit his ego. That's in the same vein as this, you're trying to shame them. Same with if a guy resists the upsell to VIP, "Oh okay, that's reserved for our best customers anyway".
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    I normally gravitate toward quieter, older men. Talk to as few customers as possible. This kind of hustle only works for me when I'm wasted. Maybe it's the ridiculous amount of liquid courage on a busy night. It turns me into the most confident person in the room and I talk to EVERYONE.

    The type of crowd option 2 works in is usually more party oriented. Younger guys that want to put on the appearance of being the "top dog". Usually good for 1 or 2 dances. Not too bad for putting only a few minutes of work in, but it's always a pleasant surprise when the occasional one upgrades to a CR. If the target says no, but I have the feeling they have $$, I come back later and try a different upbeat hustle. If they bring up the earlier actions, I explain that I love to hunt for the most fun in the room or blame alcohol amnesia.

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    I've done this but it didn't occur to me that it was a thing..I just react poorly to cheap men

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    This actually works really well for me. It's in the same category as a lot of other bitch hustle stuff... "You're so pretty" "I know." If you come off as super confident and NOT desperate for the dance, it can work. Never stop smiling or act discouraged. You just have to act like you're great and you know it, and you know the guy is about to give you his whole wallet and go to the ATM to pull out more.

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    Yass, the bitch hustle always works for me, men love to be treated like peasants.

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    omg I have done this and didn't even realize it could be a hustle! It does seem like if I complain about one guy being broke the next guy will do dances or at least tip me

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    Yeah I did it. One guy wasn't tipping so I asked "Are you broke or the gay designated driver?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by wednesday86 View Post
    omg I have done this and didn't even realize it could be a hustle! It does seem like if I complain about one guy being broke the next guy will do dances or at least tip me
    This is a good idea. You could even make up a broke customer story before closing a sale... "Speaking of (whatever), I just got done talking to some guy who couldn't afford to dance with me. Can you believe that? I'm so glad I found you! You look like you're ready for some alone time with me right now. Let's go!"

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    I've had some success with this type of interaction before:

    Me: "Blah blah blah hustle hustle boobs let's go to the VIP!"
    Him: Oops, I can't, I don't have any money.
    Me: You don't have FORTY DOLLARS? Forty. Dollars. You don't have that?! How do you even LIVE?
    Him: Well, no, sorry, I'm on welfare and yesterday I spent my life savings on a limited edition video game...

    At that point, I'll offer a cheaper dance (but without telling him it's cheaper -- $40 is actually the next price down from VIP) and I'll act like he's just told me the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life, as though he had said, "Sorry I can't get a dance, I don't have eyeballs."

    Then I get really, really aggressive. If he's alone, I'll tell him, sweetly and playfully, "What?! I don't even believe you! Take out your wallet and prove it," or, "You know we have an ATM, right? It's just over this way! Come on, it's time for booooobs," while reaching for his pocket or pulling him up towards the ATM, respectively. I personally don't do well with overt bitchiness or negging, so I like to keep the tone a lighthearted one of camaraderie.

    I think the continued attention loosens them up and encourages them because the normal stripper reaction to "I'm broke" is "Bye Felicia!" So this is a good tactic if he's already spent whatever he budgeted and is mentally prepping to leave.

    I think it's a little easier if he's with friends, because his friends most likely still have money on them, which is why they remain in the club. This is great for two reasons: 1) You can get them to spend money on their friend, and 2) You can just hustle them for a dance. I'll get their attention and say something like, "Bro, your friend here has NO MONEY. Why are you guys being so mean? Buy this motherfucker a dance! Am I not hot? Come on!" Unless they're all sincerely broke, I'll generally get at least one dance or a tip for being cute.

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    A lot of times the "I'm broke" is a lie, kinda like "maybe later".. I think these are worth a shot if there are no better prospects, but probably a waste of time if there are potential big spenders in the room.

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    I don't know that berating a customer is a good idea. I know they act like assholes sometimes and it takes a tough skin but men can deal with a bitchy woman at home and I don't think it fits in to the fantasy. If a guy is telling you "not now" or "I'm out of money" first try to hustle a little harder and if it doesn't work; move on... it's possible you're just not his type.
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    I was looking at recent reviews of my club and we get a lot of people saying the dancers are all entitled/bratty/rude so I'm not sure if this would be the best hustle for me. Or do people say that about a lot of clubs? We usually have 50+ dancers working so I know a lot just get straight to the point and if a guy says no or doesn't tip girls have major attitude and have gotten in trouble for it. Lately I've been doing the bitch hustle but I'm starting to wonder if I should switch to something nicer to be different. Anyone else on the same page? Sorry if this is a threadjack.

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    This hustle works great for camming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 22lligm View Post
    I was looking at recent reviews of my club and we get a lot of people saying the dancers are all entitled/bratty/rude so I'm not sure if this would be the best hustle for me. Or do people say that about a lot of clubs? We usually have 50+ dancers working so I know a lot just get straight to the point and if a guy says no or doesn't tip girls have major attitude and have gotten in trouble for it. Lately I've been doing the bitch hustle but I'm starting to wonder if I should switch to something nicer to be different. Anyone else on the same page? Sorry if this is a threadjack.
    On a side note, dancers don't get paid hourly or by the club. We have to hustle to make our money.

    Also, you wouldn't go into a fancy restaurant and sit at the table drinking the water and eating the free bread, and when the waiter came over say "sorry, I'm broke..." No, that's not how it works. If you can't afford to tip/spend money, stay at home and cook. Same goes for strip clubs. Stay home and watch porn lol. So when customers say this despite me hustling them I will usually call them out. Sometimes that's all it takes. Calling someone out on their BS. (One time a guy decided he would "make me work for" a 40 dollar tip. I figured he either could afford it or was just trying to BS and get my attention/see what I would do. I simply said "I hear that soooo much and it gets soooo old" and he just handed it to me...)

    I don't think I'm being bratty or entitled by doing this. I deserve to be paid for my time if someone wants it/has taken up my time talking for free/been watching me dance on stage for free.

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    ^ Well I agree with you but I meant when customers start getting tired of attitude from every dancer would it be better to switch it up. But this is off topic so never mind lol.

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    I think 22lligm & Gia2608 bring up valid points. There's a lot of entitlement on both sides of this business. Broke-shaming is essentially a dancer's way of combatting customer entitlement, but I have also seen my share of lazy slags who expect wallets to open for nothing & get nasty when it doesn't happen.

    I've employed this hustle myself (w/ mixed success) so I'm certainly not knocking it -- I just don't think it should be a go-to tactic every time we get turned down. Esp Gia's point that a guy doesn't need to hit up the SC if he wants to deal w/ bitchy women -- there are unfortunately enough bad-tempered dancers & spineless customers that bs'ing abt how much $$$ he has left, or getting the run-around when you're truly just not their type is a fact of this business. I think switching tactics & laying on a bit more honey in a club where the other dancers favour vinegar would work in the 'kinder' dancer's favour, esp if the club is developping a 'bitchy' reputation.

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    ^Honey catches flies better than vinegar.

    I'm honey all the way, until someone tries to take advantage of that. Although I don't LIKE it, I don't fault guys who are coming in and not spending "real" money so long as they are tipping if they are sitting at the stage and don't waste my time.

    There's a difference between the polite guy who comes in, tips what he can, and if a dancer comes over explain that he's not interested in any dances that night...and the rude guy who comes in, does not tip, and calls a dancer over/takes up more than 15 minutes of her time leading her on and then says he doesn't want a dance. There is a right way and a wrong way to act in a strip club.

    I suppose a lot of it is that customers (especially first-timers) don't understand that we aren't paid hourly and actually have to pay to work! The entitlement on the customers part comes from "well I'm being nice to her and I bought her a drink so why isn't she going to sit with me?" and then the entitlement on the dancers part is expecting wallets to fly open...

    For example, I've seen girls who will go up to guys and just ask for a dance without even saying hello or introducing themselves...and then when they are rejected say shit like "WELL IT'S CUSTOMARY TO GET A DANCE IF I COME OVER!" or "WELL YOU SHOULD AT LEAST TIP ME!" Which then leaves the guy pretty confused and probably a bit put off and less likely to return to the club or even to buy dances off other girls! Plus if he's there with friends he's most likely going to tell his friends you're rude and if they're spending money you would potentially lose out on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 22lligm View Post
    ^ Well I agree with you but I meant when customers start getting tired of attitude from every dancer would it be better to switch it up. But this is off topic so never mind lol.
    Give it a shot. See what happens. But if it's that bad at your club the girls will probably hate you. You could probably stay stealthy and under the radar for minute.

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    I will qualify the comment of "too broke" before shaming him by asking, "You don't have enough money to buy dances or you just don't want to buy dances with me?" If he isn't interested in me, I'll thank him for his time and move on. If he wants dances but money is the obstacle, then I offer other ways he can pay (I use a mobile credit card payment system, and upsell the fact that he doesn't have to pay the club's inflated ATM fees, etc).

    Shaming them will work on a certain kind of personality. If he is submissive and enjoys humiliation he will likely just hand you money without the expectation of dances. Strangely, I find dentists are more likely to be attracted to a dominatrix personality. Maybe that's just around here.

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    I didn't realize how effective this is in Spanish: "Eres pobre o un maricon?" They got a LOT of dances.
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