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    Default Ethical question: camgirls who leave trails?

    There are a lot of camgirls (especially on MGF) who don't realize that if they use the same pictures on the sites that they do on social media (especially Instagram and Twitter), a simple Google Image Search will lead right back to them.

    So today I ran across a girl, did some curious clicking, and found out that it was trivial to find her real name, birthday, unprotected Facebook page, workplace, family and coworkers' social media accounts... as well as a bunch of naked pictures of her.

    Maybe it's wrong to do that curious clicking in the first place - maybe it's harmless - maybe it's a grey area. Anyway, what's done is done.

    But what bothers me is: I have no desire whatsoever to meet/stalk/blackmail/humiliate/terrify anyone, but I know that there are guys in the world who are pretty fucking scary.

    So the ethical question is: should I tell her about the trail back to her so she can erase it, or would that be unnecessarily terrifying to her?

    And if I do tell her, should I do it on MGF (where the mods will read it and possibly punish her and/or me) or on FB (which would be fucking scary, give her my own personal info, and also more likely to be accidentally seen by a friend or family member)?

    Or should I just forget I saw anything, never make contact with her at all, and decide it's her problem, not mine?

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    That's tricky. She may not know and be grateful, she may know and own a lot of firearms, or she may not know and freak out if you tell her. Um, my best suggestion-make a non-scary, female FB profile and tell her you're another camgirl and OMG you noticed this and wanted to tell her right away?
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    Well, we try to warn them! lol Many don't listen. *sigh* Its a grey area. On one side they don't want to be found on FB, and on the other hand many of us do want to be found on other sites where we might have different material available. If you say anything to her....I would explain that you were looking to see what other sites she was on and searched the picture since she might not use the same name and that's how you found her FB. I understand using different sites, especially MGF where they do the 1 credit and imply to the girls its $1 but charge the guys more....Many guys are looking for cheaper options so it makes sense.

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    Eric, couldn't you contact the website and let them tell her about the potential problems?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRegrets View Post
    Eric, couldn't you contact the website and let them tell her about the potential problems?
    He can PM me...I'll tell her. The site isn't going to do anything...in fact, I'm pretty sure in it's new girls info it says not to use the same pictures. It's certainly advice we spew often in the forum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricRRobert View Post
    There are a lot of camgirls (especially on MGF) who don't realize that if they use the same pictures on the sites that they do on social media (especially Instagram and Twitter), a simple Google Image Search will lead right back to them.

    So today I ran across a girl, did some curious clicking, and found out that it was trivial to find her real name, birthday, unprotected Facebook page, workplace, family and coworkers' social media accounts... as well as a bunch of naked pictures of her.

    Maybe it's wrong to do that curious clicking in the first place - maybe it's harmless - maybe it's a grey area. Anyway, what's done is done.

    But what bothers me is: I have no desire whatsoever to meet/stalk/blackmail/humiliate/terrify anyone, but I know that there are guys in the world who are pretty fucking scary.

    So the ethical question is: should I tell her about the trail back to her so she can erase it, or would that be unnecessarily terrifying to her?

    And if I do tell her, should I do it on MGF (where the mods will read it and possibly punish her and/or me) or on FB (which would be fucking scary, give her my own personal info, and also more likely to be accidentally seen by a friend or family member)?

    Or should I just forget I saw anything, never make contact with her at all, and decide it's her problem, not mine?

    Either you and another member share the same exact brain or you're the same guy that posted this question on fetlife just a few months back. I mean are you trying to search out every model you encounter and seeing what you do find because I told you on fet that it's best to not be the one that keeps doing all of the searching and then playing " ooh I'm just watching out for your safety" or "just curious".

    You say you know guys are pretty fucking scary but what's more scary than doing this to every model you encounter and then being the one to tell them?

    By my view you're getting off to the " I know who your parents are" because why would you do this over and over again and then play " I'm not a stalker promise".

    Any time you reverse search images YOU ARE STALKING. It's not like googling a cam model's name and finding out what other sites she's on.

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    Gotta agree with Cherry, you are a stalker. You may say "I don't have any intentions of blackmailing or stalking" but then why the reverse image search? It's really not necessary for any reason but "curiosity", i.e. stalking. And why didn't you stop when you found her personal Facebook account, you kept digging and found "workplace, family and coworkers social media accounts" etc.

    I typed out a whole post in the clips4sale thread a couple of days ago saying that if you were going to be posting in there on a regular basis like you have been, i'd have to stop posting there, because this site is my safe haven from customers. But I ended up deleting the post without posting it because you are TECHNICALLY allowed to post in the clips4sale thread so it's not really my place to tell you not to post there.

    But this is on the next level now, I really don't feel comfortable with a guy who thinks it's totally OK to stalk us posting on this site which I use to get away from creepy customers! Ugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    Either you and another member share the same exact brain or you're the same guy that posted this question on fetlife just a few months back. I mean are you trying to search out every model you encounter and seeing what you do find because I told you on fet that it's best to not be the one that keeps doing all of the searching and then playing " ooh I'm just watching out for your safety" or "just curious".
    I've never talked to anyone on Fet who doesn't live in Nevada, so no, I'm pretty sure that's not me.

    You say you know guys are pretty fucking scary but what's more scary than doing this to every model you encounter and then being the one to tell them?

    By my view you're getting off to the " I know who your parents are" because why would you do this over and over again and then play " I'm not a stalker promise".
    I'm not getting off on it in any sexual way.

    Am I getting off on it in some "I'm the smartest kid in the class and I know something you don't" way? I mean, that's kind of a complicated psychological question and I'll just leave it alone for now.

    Any time you reverse search images YOU ARE STALKING. It's not like googling a cam model's name and finding out what other sites she's on.
    You can criticize my behavior, and I won't argue with you, because it's not really the point.

    The point is: the way she has everything set up (and there's a lot of them, but I ran into one really egregious one yesterday), I know that there are guys out there who could and would contact her and tell her, "I have the profiles of all your friends and family and co-workers, and I have these pictures of you shoving foreign objects in your pussy, and unless you do everything I say, everyone will see everything. The police suck at investigating this kind of thing, and blocking me only guarantees the pictures go out. You're my personal whore now."

    That's a story I've read on the Internet more than once: apparently it's been known to happen.

    So all other questions aside, the big one is: should she be told what I know, so that doesn't happen to her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna66 View Post
    Gotta agree with Cherry, you are a stalker. You may say "I don't have any intentions of blackmailing or stalking" but then why the reverse image search? It's really not necessary for any reason but "curiosity", i.e. stalking. And why didn't you stop when you found her personal Facebook account, you kept digging and found "workplace, family and coworkers social media accounts" etc.

    I typed out a whole post in the clips4sale thread a couple of days ago saying that if you were going to be posting in there on a regular basis like you have been, i'd have to stop posting there, because this site is my safe haven from customers. But I ended up deleting the post without posting it because you are TECHNICALLY allowed to post in the clips4sale thread so it's not really my place to tell you not to post there.

    But this is on the next level now, I really don't feel comfortable with a guy who thinks it's totally OK to stalk us posting on this site which I use to get away from creepy customers! Ugh
    I thought we were welcome outside the Industry Discussions area. I didn't think that was a "technicality" - I thought it was a conversation we were welcome to join. I'm not trying to make anyone uncomfortable here. I'm sorry that talking about clips4sale made you uncomfortable.

    When I was growing up, "stalking" was a word that meant some pretty terrifying things - hiding in bushes, going through trash, lurking around stores you frequent, etc.

    Nowadays it apparently just means "using Google."
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRegrets View Post
    Eric, couldn't you contact the website and let them tell her about the potential problems?
    From everything I've read, MGF would be more likely than anything else to ban her and take any money she has in her account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Addison Lynne View Post
    He can PM me...I'll tell her. The site isn't going to do anything...in fact, I'm pretty sure in it's new girls info it says not to use the same pictures. It's certainly advice we spew often in the forum!
    Maybe I should. Some thoughts:

    On one hand, you do appear to be a genuine cam girl, and it might be less scary coming from you than from me.

    On the other hand, if I tell you, then not only have I found out information on someone, but I've told somebody else who isn't her. That could be seen as an even more messed up thing to do.

    Also, if I run across these problems repeatedly, I doubt you'd want me sending you PMs repeatedly saying "Hey Addison, I found another one for you to warn..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricRRobert View Post
    Also, if I run across these problems repeatedly
    Jesus. Do you even understand why what you're doing is wrong? Or do you understand but just have no remorse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna66 View Post
    Jesus. Do you even understand why what you're doing is wrong? Or do you understand but just have no remorse?
    Sorry, but I really don't see that what I'm doing is wrong.

    If I were compromising networks or bypassing security to get information, that would be wrong - that would be hacking, basically the electronic equivalent of breaking into someone's locked desk drawer.

    What I'm doing is basically about as simple as "right click... left click." Anything Google can find is public.

    It's like reading the crime blotter in the newspaper and then having someone get furious at you for violating their privacy because you know something about their criminal record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EricRRobert View Post
    There are a lot of camgirls (especially on MGF) who don't realize that if they use the same pictures on the sites that they do on social media (especially Instagram and Twitter), a simple Google Image Search will lead right back to them.


    This is just weird. Exactly how many cammers are you doing this with? Yea it's wrong and naïve of them to use the same pics. Yup we say it all the time not to do this. Some listen. Some don't. We generally like to help other camgirls so that they can remain safe. And also being outed to love ones is another concern. Worst case scenario a crazy person shows up at her house with bad intentions. Or it can just be some weird guy who gets off on collecting info about camgirls. Pretty harmless I suppose...until collecting information is not enough.

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    And also I would like to add before I get my "cam on".. you just posted this information in a public forum. Tons of male members here who may or may not know how to get background info on the women in this industry. Don't add to the problem. if you really want to help, then just send her a nice polite email about internet safety. Don't drag it out trying to gain some sort of rapport with her. Be a GENTLEMEN tell her what you know and then walk away. Not that you would use this as a bargaining chip of some sort. Because we all know men don't do that sort of thing. She probably will get freaked out a bit. But at least she'll know better the next time around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post

    This is just weird. Exactly how many cammers are you doing this with?
    I've probably found out very personal details about six or eight cammers. It doesn't take much time or skill. It's not quite "click here to learn everything," but at times it's disturbingly close to that.

    I warned two of them about the trail they were leaving. Unsurprisingly, they were not at all appreciative and very angry - called me names, blocked me, etc.

    Which has made me very reluctant to tell anyone else. But then I start to wonder: isn't it still a good deed if it helps keep their privacy protected? And isn't a good deed that goes unappreciated, in a way, the most honest kind of good deed? I don't know; maybe I'm kidding myself. It's a tough call, which is why I wanted to talk about it here and see what you girls thought.

    Yea it's wrong and naïve of them to use the same pics. Yup we say it all the time not to do this. Some listen. Some don't. We generally like to help other camgirls so that they can remain safe. And also being outed to love ones is another concern. Worst case scenario a crazy person shows up at her house with bad intentions.
    And you can believe me or not, but hey, I have a sister, I have female friends, and I don't want this shit to happen to women. So when I see a girl who's left a trail leading from her naked pictures right to the front door of her work, then yes, there is a totally non-sexual ethical reason for me to think she needs to know about it.

    Or it can just be some weird guy who gets off on collecting info about camgirls. Pretty harmless I suppose...until collecting information is not enough.
    Of course in the sex work industry, in general, everyone learns not to trust anything anyone says. So you have no reason to believe anything I say.

    But I'll be up front anyway: I'm about the most harmless person you'll meet. Not only am I engaged and perfectly happy with my life, with absolutely no desire to go seek out some 20 year old I saw on the Internet, but I have panic disorder that prevents me from driving a car or getting on a plane. And more to the point, the last thing I'd ever want to do is hurt anyone in any way, and I'm already feeling legitimately sad that I've made Luna66 uncomfortable just by bringing this up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    And also I would like to add before I get my "cam on".. you just posted this information in a public forum. Tons of male members here who may or may not know how to get background info on the women in this industry. Don't add to the problem.
    That is a legitimate concern. If you say publicly that pictures can lead to background info, you're warning women but also cluing in men.

    I don't know how to solve that problem.

    if you really want to help, then just send her a nice polite email about internet safety. Don't drag it out trying to gain some sort of rapport with her. Be a GENTLEMEN tell her what you know and then walk away. Not that you would use this as a bargaining chip of some sort. Because we all know men don't do that sort of thing. She probably will get freaked out a bit. But at least she'll know better the next time around.
    Yeah, that should go without saying. (It probably doesn't, but it should.) It would be sleazy as all hell to do a "hey baby I'm your white knight" kind of thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    if you really want to help, then just send her a nice polite email about internet safety. Don't drag it out trying to gain some sort of rapport with her. Be a GENTLEMEN tell her what you know and then walk away. Not that you would use this as a bargaining chip of some sort. Because we all know men don't do that sort of thing. She probably will get freaked out a bit. But at least she'll know better the next time around.
    I decided this was really the right advice. I sent her a message on Facebook and made it very clear up front that I didn't expect anything from her, even a reply. Then I laid out everything I knew, apologized for the obviously scary message, and now I'll let her get on with her life.

    Thank you for the help.

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    Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. You got this odd white knight complex going on. I get it, your heart is in the right place. But from here on out, you should really stop doing reverse google searches on models images. It kinda is an invasion of privacy. I don't blame them for being upset. It's just flat out weird thing to do. I would of blocked you too. I wouldn't want contact with someone on a camsite who has personal info on me.


    Stop doing this. Put away the white knight armor. And just go jerk off.





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    Quote Originally Posted by audritwo View Post
    Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. You got this odd white knight complex going on. I get it, your heart is in the right place. But from here on out, you should really stop doing reverse google searches on models images. It kinda is an invasion of privacy. I don't blame them for being upset. It's just flat out weird thing to do. I would of blocked you too. I wouldn't want contact with someone on a camsite who has personal info on me.

    Stop doing this. Put away the white knight armor. And just go jerk off.
    Yeah, I don't know. I get that they're going to be upset, non-grateful, and block me.

    Maybe in a way that makes it better, that there's no reward for doing the right thing. Makes it less "white-knighty." I'm certainly no fan of guys who brag to girls about what good guys they are, because that's not "good guy" behavior.

    I think a Sociologist could write volumes about this weird historical moment where we voluntarily publish every single piece of information about ourselves in public spaces on the Internet, and then we have this weird social contract where we expect people not to read it.

    It's not just camgirls where this applies. You can go on a first date knowing everything about your date. You can interview an applicant knowing everything about that applicant. You're just... not supposed to?

    People go out and publish "My name is Jill and my dad's name is Jack and I work at K-Mart and got so drunk on Cinco De Mayo that I pissed my pants and I'll masturbate for you for ten dollars." Right on public spaces, right where anybody can see.

    Then if you don't pretend they didn't do that, it's all on you, and you're the one with the problem.

    ...sigh
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    Quote Originally Posted by EricRRobert View Post
    People go out and publish "My name is Jill and my dad's name is Jack and I work at K-Mart and got so drunk on Cinco De Mayo that I pissed my pants and I'll masturbate for you for ten dollars." Right on public spaces, right where anybody can see.

    Then if you don't pretend they didn't do that, it's all on you, and you're the one with the problem.

    ...sigh
    Unless she told you that directly (or she posted legit personal info was posted on her camming social media), you were only able to put it together because you went and looked up her personal info backhandedly through reverse image search or other means. That's much more fucked up. I've blatantly gotten customer's real names from indy camming before (because they used their real names for their skypes) and I never looked up a damn thing about them because I'm not a gigantic creep who disrespects people's right to privacy.

    How do you not understand how disrespectful it is to invade someone's privacy by connecting their camming life and personal life together, no matter how easy is it for you to do? Her life outside of camming is absolutely none of your business unless she personally tells you about it or asks you to follow her personal social media accounts.

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    It's just not your responsibility... simple.





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    Quote Originally Posted by audritwo View Post
    It's just not your responsibility... simple.
    Yeah, I don't know, I think if you see someone about to walk into oncoming traffic, you grab them and pull them back onto the sidewalk. Even though it's not your responsibility. Even though it's technically a misdemeanor battery. You still do it.

    Maybe that's just me, though.

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    There is a huge difference with physical and virtual presence. There is countless information out there how to protect your privacy and to remove the data timestamp from images you upload. People are just naive or don't think. You were actively looking for information on them. Why do you feel like you have to do that? If it's something you feel so strongly about, blog about it directed to cammodels.





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    Omg dude...no. Just no. What you can do is you can alert girls to when you find their illegally recorded shows online. That's not so bad. But you sitting down at your PC, and dropping images into Google search to find something...omg, that is just wrong. Like...why? Why are you doing that in your spare time even? Its like you want to find out their details etc and then use your white knight act as a cover up.

    There have been time when my long time trusted regs have alerted me to stuff of mine that's online from CAM SHOWS that they did with me. I have appreciated that because these people are LONG TIME PAYING CUSTOMERS. Also, they never came to me and went "hey girl, so I know your real name and shit cos I took your photo and searched you". I would literally spit blood if I found any of them doing that. You do see why don't you?

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