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    I remember when it was only a few girls that did them and they were either ugly, old, or drug addicts. It pains me to see pretty young girls doing them. I feel like most customers expect them now a days and its very discouraging bc its in every club. Before it was just a few now it seems that most do and only a few don't. I spoke to a girl today who flat out said well I do touch on the outside and they can touch the outside of her thong.. ummmm.. ok -- I remember when clubs used to discourage girls doing stuff like that and now it seems as though its silently encouraged and no one ever gets in trouble.. I suppose if youre ok with it then fine..

    I still make money, though sometimes I wish I had no conscience or was able to block it out bc I know there would be plenty of guys that would love to spend money on me but bc i dont do enough they go elsewhere. I keep telling myself that in the end I'll still have my pride but all in all its so discouraging when I come home on nights like this with under 100$ but hey there are also nights I come home with 4 and 6 hundred but I also have to dedicate a 14hr with atleast 3 hrs of driving to acquire it -- I have no social life bc I am always working but I guess since I refuse to do it -- I guess thats how its gonna be.. I know I am not the only one but sometimes I feel like I am the last of a dying breed.
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    I hear you... Just tonight I was trying to sell a dance/vip to a guy. I just walked away from him, and was talking to the guy next to him, and this 19yr old was asking him to go back for a dance and clearly said that he could play with her titties and fondle her ass. She said for a few more dollars he could pet her kitty. I looked at her like she just said that the earth was ending. It just seems to me that a lot of girls don't have respect for themselves anymore or just don't care.

    I had a good night money wise, but I just feel a little lost tonight after that and after I felt bad that I might have run a very nice guy out of the club... I don't know why, but he was a genuinely nice guy, and tipped me $20 just for talking with him. I started to massage his back and his winced, and said something about he just got new tattoos. I asked him if I could look at his back/tattoos and he said ok. I lifted his shirt and loved his tattoos. I asked what they were and he told me what they were and that the majority of them had to deal with his wife who had just died. He was such a good looking and nice guy. I saw him get up and walk out the door afterwards. I felt so bad for him. I never expected to hear that from him. He was very good looking and such a nice guy. He was actually a geek too - loved DC comics... I don't know why, but that just stuck with me tonight. I haven't been off shift for more than 1/2 an hour, but just feel bad for that guy. I'm usually not a softy, but I don't know... I'm rambling and time for bed!!!

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    ^^^ arguably, this is part of a fundamental change in the strip club business model. More and more clubowners are willing to tacitly approve of 'extras' ( and other things ) as long as the club's revenues are increased, and as long as the clubowner himself is not directly put at legal risk. And more and more dancers are realizing that providing 'extras' is now a common expectation by their customers ... thus 'necessary' to sustain a dancing income level which actually makes dancing worth the time and effort.

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    You can see a pretty girl naked and live on the internet for free, but you an only touch a real girl in the strip club unless you wanna pay an escort.

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    i know to each is own and its just discouraging when you dont provide and most customers have become used to getting more that your measly standard dance makes them feel like they got ripped off. I wish the club wasnt a safe haven for these activities -- if they have the balls to do it why not OTC.. oh yea thats dangerous -- well I guess thats a risk you take. But making my dances look like im jipping the customer sucks as well,,, literally and figuratively. I work 4 diff clubs 5/6 days a week just to get by.. little here a little there.. I warm em up and they finish.

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    I think a lot of it has to do with the increasing number of the human population in general being on drugs and becoming desperate to pay for them.
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    Default Re: Is it me or has stripping completely switched to light to heavy extras?

    I think so. And they used to have standards to what they hire. With that came all the extras IMO.

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    Lets face it, paying to merely see pretty women take their clothes off isn't a thing any more.

    The no-touching dancers are in go-go or burlesque style shows. There are a few clubs around Portland that offer stage only dancing, and the tips can be ok in places like that, but if you want to make real $$ in this town, you better be able to provide at least some grinding and 2 way contact or else the guys won't be paying much at all.

    My club used to be one of the most conservative clubs in the region. Dancers were required to wear evening gowns after 9pm and wear cocktail dresses or costumes on all other shifts. They required tattoos be covered by makeup and the house moms had to check each girl's hair/makeup/nails/clothes before she was allowed to go to work. Dances were all air, and the stage shows where were the dancers made the majority of their money, raking in $30-100 per stage set on most nights.

    Now you can see excellent shows with fit and mostly naked women on TV, YouTube, and free webcam sites. Many of those web cam women are busy shoving all manner of sex toys into their various body parts for pennies or for free. Men can find women willing to engage in sexy chat for free in places like Ashley Madison and FetLife.

    The club customers are pinched financially, too. White collar workers are struggling to reach middle-class incomes. Those professional men used to be the club's bread and butter. Business managers, lawyers, doctors, CPAs, and financial professionals aren't earning the kind of income they did pre-2008 or even pre-2003. Software engineers are still a good source of club clientele, but there aren't enough engineers to support all of stripperdom.

    So you have to ask yourself, as a stripper, what value do you offer your customers? What can they get from you, that they can't get from other sexually oriented businesses? I believe the answer to that question is along the lines of GFE. Generally, that kind of experience from a customer's viewpoint, had better include something more than an air dance and light grinding. If you aren't fucking them literally, you have to be skilled at the mind-fuck. Can you talk dirty? Can you make them feel like the studs they imagine themselves to be? You better have something you can bring to the table besides hotness, because hotness is everywhere and therefore has no monetary value.
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    Damn dbl post again.

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    Ugh yes it's gotten so bad. So bad, I've considered calling LE and getting my club busted. Sure, I'll hit a lick here and there, but I've been struggling against the extras girls too. I get more men that want to kiss. No thank you. I won't even drink after anyone.
    Sucks these girls just don't realize you don't HAVE to do these things to make money. I'm starting to think they just enjoy it. .

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    Porn culture, music that demeans women, are to blame for young girls not thinking they are valuable as they are. I know because I grew up in this era and suffered very low self-worth from a young age. It was because I grew up surrounded by disrespect for women and girls. I've recovered now, and I know my worth, but many young girls don't. That's why pretty young girls offer extras, they think they have to and that it's expected from them to make money.

    Of course there are lots of smaller factors, but I strongly believe that our culture of objectifying and demeaning girls is mostly to blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KikiRooRoo View Post
    I'm starting to think they just enjoy it. .
    I'm an unapologetic extras girl (it is normal at my club) and I most certainly enjoy it. I have a lot of fun with my customers. I don't even talk to customers who I find repulsive. There's no point. If I don't find the customer at least mildly attractive, I'm not going to do a good job as an entertainer and it would be a waste of his money. I make a lot of money because I like what I do and who I do it with.

    I mean, we get to dress up and flirt and drink and socialize FOR A LIVING. If you can't have fun doing that, maybe you need to reconsider if this job is right for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourdefranzia View Post
    I'm an unapologetic extras girl (it is normal at my club) and I most certainly enjoy it. I have a lot of fun with my customers. I don't even talk to customers who I find repulsive. There's no point. If I don't find the customer at least mildly attractive, I'm not going to do a good job as an entertainer and it would be a waste of his money. I make a lot of money because I like what I do and who I do it with.

    I mean, we get to dress up and flirt and drink and socialize FOR A LIVING. If you can't have fun doing that, maybe you need to reconsider if this job is right for you.
    You must have some really hot customers, cuz 95% of the ones who wanted extras in Ohio were hideous.
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    It's absolutely disgusting. If you want to be a prostitute, please take it out of the club. All these excuses, guys can watch internet porn, guys have less money blah blah is so lame. It's basically the extras girls want easy money for less work and they don't care how it affects the business or the clean dancers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetJulia View Post
    You must have some really hot customers, cuz 95% of the ones who wanted extras in Ohio were hideous.
    Yes, absolutely. I chose my club based on how attractive I found the customers and the availability of extras because that is how I like to work. I understand the anger and frustration when a few extras girls tip the scales in otherwise low contact clubs, but the clubs I like working in are known for their extras girls, so the playing field is fair. We are all selling the same service, so no one gets mad.

    Our clientele is upscale, and yes, most of them are very attractive, well dressed and smell nice. We are located across the street from a prestigious health club in one of the wealthiest parts of the city. Sometimes I have to pinch myself because I can't believe that I actually get paid to do this work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourdefranzia View Post
    I'm an unapologetic extras girl (it is normal at my club) and I most certainly enjoy it. I have a lot of fun with my customers. I don't even talk to customers who I find repulsive. There's no point. If I don't find the customer at least mildly attractive, I'm not going to do a good job as an entertainer and it would be a waste of his money. I make a lot of money because I like what I do and who I do it with.

    I mean, we get to dress up and flirt and drink and socialize FOR A LIVING. If you can't have fun doing that, maybe you need to reconsider if this job is right for you.
    Oh please, there's a huge difference between flirting and getting paid extra to suck dick. Let's not pretend otherwise : )


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    Quote Originally Posted by culitos View Post
    Oh please, there's a huge difference between flirting and getting paid extra to suck dick. Let's not pretend otherwise : )
    Who said anything about sucking dick? I draw the line at hand jobs. Oral sex messes up my makeup. ;-)

    ETA: I don't begrudge the other girls for providing full service. If they are happy and consenting and getting paid, it's no business of mine what they do. They are adults, they can make their own decisions about their own (adult) bodies. As a life long non-conformist, I don't believe in following laws that try to regulate natural human behavior. I'm skilled at what I do, and IDGAF if someone else is grossed out by my work. As a stripper or cam girl, the whole world already thinks you are a whore. I've just learned how to capitalize on that, and have a great time while I'm at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourdefranzia View Post
    Who said anything about sucking dick? I draw the line at hand jobs. Oral sex messes up my makeup.
    I don't care what you do in your club, I'm just saying you can't compare flirting to extras. That's like comparing apples to oranges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by culitos View Post
    I don't care what you do in your club, I'm just saying you can't compare flirting to extras. That's like comparing apples to oranges.
    Agreed. Rarely does flirtation lead to divorce. Hand jobs? Yeah, that's grounds for divorce for most hetero couples. (Gay men are much more casual about it, IME)

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    You know where to find me, OP.
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    Tempest666, we are beating a dead horse with this topic.

    I feel I must be getting too old for this business because I am absolutely disgusted at EXTRAS. Seriously? We get $15 out of 25 for a lapdance, and you are willing to touch someones nasty dick with your bare hands? For $15? Please, go be an escort, or do bachelor parties at private houses if you like touching lots of different dicks in one night.

    How did it come to this? Why can't a dancer just be a dancer? Why do "strippers" have to do extras to make the good money anymore. I am quite content going home with an average of $250 on a week night because I go home with my morals. I have not touched anyones dick, nor has anyone licked my tits or touched my vagina. I would (in a perfect world) consider that cheating on my husband. He knows people occasionally grab my tits and ass, but would I want him to sit in a dark room at a club and get a hand job while he sucked on a girls tits? NO. Not only that, you don't know how many other men licked that girls tits that night, and you don't know how many different handfuls of jizz she had in her hands that night either. Disgusting. Please, go be an escort and make hundreds for your service. Don't do it in my club, in the same room and on the same couch I have to sit on in the next few hours. Love getting my knee in your wet spot, yeah.


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    OP, you are totally not alone, generally I would rather have my $500 in 6 hours, than $500 in 2 hours because I was giving hand jobs and sucking dick in the club.

    Now, I will say that sometimes I can be a bit jealous that the extras girls do go home so quickly, but if I was going to get to the point where I was okay doing that stuff, I would be an escort and a) charge a lot more, b) not contribute to the ruin of the clubs/risk a raid for other girls. So, as it stands, I'm perfectly happy to make less money and not have to admit to being a 'stereotypical' stripper that fucks in the champagne room.
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    I have nothing against escorts, they take on a legal risk on their own and keep men who want full service occupied in hotel rooms instead of pissing off strippers. I don't know who I hate more, the customers who come in and fill the club with toxic energy or the "dancers" who offer sexual services in the club, putting everyone at risk of being caught up in a raid who sets foot in the building. If they're comfortable doing massages, work at a massage parlor. If they're comfortable going all the way, run an escort ad. If they remove the supply from the club, those requesting the demand will, ideally, at least become better behaved/shut up. Also, of all the prostitutes who perform their services in clubs-I won't call them dancers-I've only seen one who was above a five on a one to ten scale. When illegal services are being offered, it doesn't matter if the rest of the building is full of models, their money suffers. Word quickly spreads online and guys who for whatever reason won't hire escorts come in by the dozens. OP, I'd switch to a clean club with the hottest girls, see how the money is for a month. The laws in Ohio make it hard to make money in dirty clubs, much less clean ones, but your state may be more profitable. Even if it's not, others are, even other countries. If you really enjoy dancing, there ARE places where you can make money looking hot, performing well on stage, and being able to hold a conversation. It's a night and day difference. Don't try to chase off the prostitutes, put that energy into finding greener pastures where things are as they're supposed to be. The fact that management looks the other way tells me that the problem-and mysterious stains-won't disappear unless management changes. Best of luck
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    How did it come to this? Why can't a dancer just be a dancer? Why do "strippers" have to do extras to make the good money anymore. I am quite content going home with an average of $250 on a week night because I go home with my morals. I have not touched anyones dick, nor has anyone licked my tits or touched my vagina.
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    I chose my club based on how attractive I found the customers and the availability of extras because that is how I like to work. I understand the anger and frustration when a few extras girls tip the scales in otherwise low contact clubs, but the clubs I like working in are known for their extras girls, so the playing field is fair. We are all selling the same service, so no one gets mad.

    Our clientele is upscale, and yes, most of them are very attractive, well dressed and smell nice. We are located across the street from a prestigious health club in one of the wealthiest parts of the city
    In the way of 'apples to apples' comparisons ...

    - why can't you buy a new car without air conditioning anymore ?
    - why can't you buy 'dial-up' internet service anymore ?
    - why can't you buy a plain cell phone anymore ?

    ... the point, of course, is that 'market expectations' have now moved beyond the 'basics' and, as such, attempting to continue to sell just the 'basics' finds fewer and fewer willing customers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourdefranzia View Post
    Now you can see excellent shows with fit and mostly naked women on TV, YouTube, and free webcam sites. Many of those web cam women are busy shoving all manner of sex toys into their various body parts for pennies or for free.
    No, we do not. Some clueless newbies may do things for free. You may be thinking of token sites, where tokens are a nickel, but thousands are collected from the room, also giving freeloaders a show for contributing nothing. That's why I won't do token sites. Also, guys record paid shows and post them on these disgusting tubesites without the girls' permission, not putting any extra money in her pocket. Cam girls really frown on free performances and constantly tell people not to do anything, including stand, for free. Lastly, if a girl seems like she is performing for free, she may have received an off site payment for a public show, if her site allows it, allowing the girl to make more and the customer to spend less, because he isn't being processed by the sites server. I wasn't trying to be a bitch, just had to correct you so members unfamiliar with how camming works don't think camsites are responsible for an increasing demand and delivery of illegal services in clubs.
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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