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    One general take-away is that the price of weed in each state is inversely proportional to the degree of Law Enforcement serving to reduce its availability.

    Arguably, the same principle applies to strip club 'extras' !!!

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    What do people smoke about an ounce per month?

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    Default Re: interesting study - the price of Weed in each US State

    Are these street prices or do the states with legalized/medicinal pot take dispensary prices into account?
    The dispensaries out here are at least 30% cheaper than the street, so I'd think that would be skewing the results...
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    ^^^ all I can tell you is that the data was collected by crowdsourcing ... see . Thus one has to assume that pot prices which customers from 'legal' states are reporting is a combination of prices paid at 'legal' outlets plus prices paid to 'other' sources.

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    Oh great. All we need is yet another (legalized) substance to reduce our ability to be a responsible and productive society. I thought alcohol was enough already; think of the social costs of alcoholism and binging.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    Oh great. All we need is yet another (legalized) substance to reduce our ability to be a responsible and productive society. I thought alcohol was enough already; think of the social costs of alcoholism and binging.
    I think you hit the nail on the head with the word responsible. Sure there are idiots who get beyond fucked up and do dumb shit - and in these cases should be punished. But with regulations - like analyzing for quality, not getting intoxicated then driving, no public intoxication, no selling to or doing in front of kids, etc. then I believe medical and recreational use marijuanna is okay. Your totally entitled to your opinion though.

    This chart seems to indicate that higher prices has nothing to do with the quality of the product, which is a problem, and more along the lines of level of risk to the supplier / dealer of being caught selling.

    I agree with the thing about extras in the club. Anytime you step into a high risk situation, you have to charge extra. If I'm in the club with extras girls to me means I'm less likely to cut deals on my prices because just being in the same environment with them is a high risk to dancers not doing extras.
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    This chart seems to indicate that higher prices has nothing to do with the quality of the product, which is a problem, and more along the lines of level of risk to the supplier / dealer of being caught selling.
    This was my take-away as well. I would even apply the same principle to price levels for a different 'illegal' commodity - i.e. the going rate for HJ / BJ in strip clubs. The lower the bust risk, the more sources of supply, and the lower the price.

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    Default Re: interesting study - the price of Weed in each US State

    People always complaining they dont have $$ yet they have for this stuff ?

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    Default Re: interesting study - the price of Weed in each US State

    A lot of recreation and entertainment options are cheaper in Oregon, not just the weed.

    I'm all for legalizing, taxing and regulating. Whether it's weed or sex work, it's stupid to try to keep these things illegal. It's not like making it illegal has done anything to curb availability and has only made criminals out of otherwise law-abiding citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    Oh great. All we need is yet another (legalized) substance to reduce our ability to be a responsible and productive society. I thought alcohol was enough already; think of the social costs of alcoholism and binging.
    The current school of thought is that 10-15% of the population suffers from these impulse control disorders. By simply making something illegal, the people who have the problem are still going to engage in their problematic behavior regardless of the law. When 85-90% of the population has no issue with impulse control disorders (gambling, drinking, drugs, shopping, eating disorders, sex addictions etc) making that particular behavior illegal will only have negative social impacts as the people with the problem will be even less likely to seek help.

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    Christ, glad I'm not that fond of it-Ohio has one of the highest prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahuba View Post
    What do people smoke about an ounce per month?
    Noooooo-usually an ounce lasts strangers I've never met a few days.
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourdefranzia View Post
    The current school of thought is that 10-15% of the population suffers from these impulse control disorders. By simply making something illegal, the people who have the problem are still going to engage in their problematic behavior regardless of the law. When 85-90% of the population has no issue with impulse control disorders (gambling, drinking, drugs, shopping, eating disorders, sex addictions etc) making that particular behavior illegal will only have negative social impacts as the people with the problem will be even less likely to seek help.
    What are we, an overstressed society beset with drudgery and want, or do we just have so much that we can afford to reduce ourselves to hedonistic stooges? The problem is that where it is still or was illegal, we already know the social consequences. By making it legal, it may clear out the jails a bit and make some dealers socially compliant, but the social problems mentioned in my previous post will just get more common and worse; further the dealers trading in more hard-core stuff will not be less common and maybe moreso as experimenters expand their substance horizons and first time neophytes develop curiosity to make comparisons with other illegal substances. Legalization may be great in the short term for those who really like the stuff, but in the long term the benefits individually are nil and likely to become negative. Basically I see no real positives here.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    Basically I see no real positives here
    The state would see something like $30+ million dollars worth of new tax revenues, in addition to another $20+ million dollars worth of reduced LE / court / incarceration costs. Additionally, those increased state tax revenues would basically only come at the expense of those who are presently engaged in the supply and sale of 'illegal' weed, via downward price pressure / profit margin shrinkage.

    In theory at least, legalization would not change the available supply ... but simply transition from untaxed illegal suppliers to heavily taxed legal suppliers. Also, in theory at least, legalization would not change the potential demand ... merely making the product a bit more affordable and a bit more 'consistent' in terms of quality / potency.

    As to your assertion that the legalization of weed would automatically lead to a change in focus toward increased distribution and consumption of greater amounts of 'harder' drugs, this is questionable for economic reasons. Back to the loose analogy of 'extras' in strip clubs, having more $500+ an hour top shelf escorts available does not alter the fact that the typical customer can only afford a $100 HJ / BJ.


    do we just have so much that we can afford to reduce ourselves to hedonistic stooges?
    This arguably speaks to an entirely different matter ... i.e. a significant segment of the population who have little or no hope that their personal standard of living will improve no matter their personal efforts. If they do have a job, it is likely to be a part time job with few demands or responsibilities attached ... which is unlikely to be inversely affected by the consumption of weed, alcohol, or anything else. And whether or not they have a low paying, likely part time job, generally speaking they don't need to worry about food, rent, utilities, etc. thanks to generous social welfare subsidies. Under such conditions, there doesn't appear to be much downside to making 'legal' weed available at lower prices. And especially so if the new taxes on legal weed are recycled to help reduce the net costs to taxpayers of those generous social welfare subsidies.

    Attempting to steer this thread back toward the original point, outright legalization, as well as lack of de-facto LE even though technically illegal, arguably contribute to the same results. The supply becomes greater, and the cost goes down. And that's arguably true for weed, for 'extras' in strip clubs, and for everything else where 'the shoe fits'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SweetJulia View Post
    Noooooo-usually an ounce lasts strangers I've never met a few days.
    LOL!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    What are we, an overstressed society beset with drudgery and want, or do we just have so much that we can afford to reduce ourselves to hedonistic stooges? The problem is that where it is still or was illegal, we already know the social consequences. By making it legal, it may clear out the jails a bit and make some dealers socially compliant, but the social problems mentioned in my previous post will just get more common and worse; further the dealers trading in more hard-core stuff will not be less common and maybe moreso as experimenters expand their substance horizons and first time neophytes develop curiosity to make comparisons with other illegal substances. Legalization may be great in the short term for those who really like the stuff, but in the long term the benefits individually are nil and likely to become negative. Basically I see no real positives here.
    We are the most medicated society in the history of the planet. 70% of Americans are currently using some kind of prescription drug right now. Prescription drug abuse runs about 10% of our population. It is estimated that 52 million Americans have abused prescription drugs at some point.

    Most interestingly, in states with legalized weed or medical cannabis, deaths from prescription drug abuse/ overdose are down 25%. Colorado reports a reduction of traffic fatalities since weed has been legalized, but is not linking the safer roads to legal weed per se, but is merely reporting the statistics.

    People who smoke pot regularly are less likely to be obese.
    There is evidence that marijuana may slow/ prevent Alzheimer's disease (which seems counter intuitive, but the science says otherwise).

    It's not likely that smoking weed means a less productive life. Just look at some famous pot smokers and their acheivements such as Carl Sagan, Rick Steves, Maya Angelou, Sanjay Gupta, and...you know...the usual suspects of all the members of every rock band ever. Oh, and most of the movers and shakers in Hollywood, too.


    *full disclosure, I'm a regular pot smoker. I've smoked more days than not since 2001, and have managed to eliminate all other kinds of medications thanks to cannabis. My doctor says I'm outrageously healthy and am an endurance cyclist as well as a full time exotic dancer at the age of 45.

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    Since NYS made it harder to get prescription narcotics, the heroin trade is booming, presumably because an alternative, cocaine, is more expensive. If non-medicinal pot becomes regulated and taxed in NYS, its price will increase, shuffling some of more the more drug-adventurous into non-regulated drugs. This is not an automatic upgrade, for many, but some inevitably will "graduate."

    (I wish I could find some place to go where drugs have not degraded communities, but I'm afraid its all over the US.)
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    Are these street prices or do the states with legalized/medicinal pot take dispensary prices into account?
    The dispensaries out here are at least 30% cheaper than the street, so I'd think that would be skewing the results...
    Interesting. I was just in Seattle and visited a legal shop, it was wayyy more expensive than the price listed on this chart for WA state. And that was before the 25% tax they add at the register! So I would think these are black market prices. My friends in Oregon pay about what this chart says. They don't have legal shops there yet but the dealers can get "caregiver" licenses and then they just drive around town making house calls with a big ol' purse full of weed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    What are we, an overstressed society beset with drudgery and want, or do we just have so much that we can afford to reduce ourselves to hedonistic stooges?
    With the ever-increasing wealth gap and shrinking middle class, we are in fact headed towards a society with both of these extremes and nothing else in between!

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    I was just in Seattle and visited a legal shop, it was wayyy more expensive than the price listed on this chart for WA state. And that was before the 25% tax they add at the register! So I would think these are black market prices
    While I can't speak to the crowdsourced data, I can point out that the observed effect of legalized weed has been to force the 'black market' suppliers to drop price levels significantly below the prices charged by 'legal' sellers ... to compensate buyers for the additional product quality risk and bust risk. This in turn makes weed more affordable for everyone in the state ... but particularly 'helps' those who are under-employed or unemployed, where a $100 ( or whatever ) reduction in the going price of an ounce of weed means their personal consumption levels can increase substantially for the same amount of dollars spent.

    There are also certain 'voices' who would point out that effectively providing the under-employed and unemployed with substantially larger quantities of weed is definitely in the 'public interest' ... but that starts to roam beyond purely economic aspects ...

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    Default Re: interesting study - the price of Weed in each US State

    Random related trivia- weed used to be an illegal bumper crop in certain impoverished Southern states. Now those secret farmers will have to compete with high quality legally grown weed floating around.

    There's always moonshine and meth

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    Quote Originally Posted by lurkingtitties View Post
    With the ever-increasing wealth gap and shrinking middle class, we are in fact headed towards a society with both of these extremes and nothing else in between!
    QFT, unfortunately spot on

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    weed used to be an illegal bumper crop in certain impoverished Southern states. Now those secret farmers will have to compete with high quality legally grown weed floating around.

    There's always moonshine and meth
    It's an illegal bumper crop in lots of other states as well.

    And legalization of personal possession and consumption of weed does not automatically transfer legal status to illegal growers. Legal pot farming requires expensive licenses, a lot of capital investment in growing facilities needed to produce 'high quality' product, and a lot of bureaucracy. Thus my 'acquaintances' tell me that illegal growers ( as well as illegal sellers ) tend to come under even more LE pressure when legal competition appears. After all, none of their illegal product is being taxed !!! In fact, the scenario tends to align rather closely with present day 'moonshiners'.

    Thus, like 'moonshiners', in a scenario of total legalization the vast majority of illegal pot producers and sellers simply can't compete on quality because they don't have the 'capital equipment' necessary to do so. They then attempt to compete based on the only selling point they can still offer - significantly lower prices. The absence of tax provides some price leeway, but shrinking profit margins provide the rest. Arguably, like the end of alcohol prohibition, fully legalized weed will redirect millions of dollars away from the pockets of illegal growers and sellers, with those millions of dollars instead flowing into state tax coffers.

    In a scenario of partial legalization ( i.e. 'medicinal use' ), the illegal growers and sellers still face the same issues of offering a lower quality product at lower prices. This scenario is arguably very similar to 'extras' being offered in strip clubs. Or put another way, the legal growers and sellers, and the analogous top shelf escorts, offer high quality product at premium prices with near zero risk of being busted ... despite the fact that customer access to the high quality product may not exactly be 100% legal. Meanwhile the illegal growers and sellers, and the analogous 'extras' dancers, offer an intermediate quality product at comparatively low prices, with low risk of being busted as well ( since the presence of any form of legalization reduces LE priority / attention across the board ). In terms of de-facto LE, in a scenario of partial legalization about the only remaining target of LE attention are street peddlers of low quality weed, and street prostitutes ... mostly driven by community PR and public health concerns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lurkingtitties View Post
    Interesting. I was just in Seattle and visited a legal shop, it was wayyy more expensive than the price listed on this chart for WA state. And that was before the 25% tax they add at the register! So I would think these are black market prices. My friends in Oregon pay about what this chart says. They don't have legal shops there yet but the dealers can get "caregiver" licenses and then they just drive around town making house calls with a big ol' purse full of weed.
    Medicinal Marijuana in Washington is more like $160/ ounce. It isn't taxed like rec mj either. Oregon is trying to make everything recreational and eliminating the medical dispensary designation entirely. You can find some lower cost rec in Washington, I've found it as low as $12 a gram including tax.

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    Yeah we were told the same thing by our Portland friends before we went up to visit...and we were also well stocked from their delivery lady. Mostly just wanted to visit the legal shops for the novelty of it, my SO has hopes and dreams of opening his own legal shop one day.

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