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    Ok. I think last I said how i called the president about the heart ship thing. Well I've been consulting with attorneys. It's 300 an hour which I don't mind if they can guarantee helping. Most have said I need to start by reading my original covenants. Yes those were instituted in 1990. I guess I need to go to the courthouse for those. That's going to take days to do. One attorney told me to apply in writting that I want to request to be seen before the board about the hear ship. Then said no on second thought why don't you just sell it. why don't you just rent out the one you live in? wacko. ok any ways. I went to talk to my old neighbor she's original like me. That snoop asshole president must of saw me because I get a voice mail after 2 weeks. Ok. I don't want to call him back. I'm sure he's just going to say no. What would you suggest. I send a letter wanting to be heard? I'm so sick of the stress this is causing me!

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    Michelle, when is the next election of the HOA Board? If enough of you are being screwed with by this HOA, maybe it is time to elect your own slate instead.

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    I have no idea rick because they are idiots. They only send out random news letters. I saw they have a facebook page and it's not even on there. They did send me a thing to be on the board. they only have 3 people. When I lived there there was around 8-10. I don't know if there are enough originals there who would even side with me. I'm trying to find the guy across the streets number. We were friendly and he rents his out. I really wonder if they got majority to change it. it was done by the attorney that represents the board because the attorney I spoke with thought maybe it wasn't done correctly and i told him the lawyer did it and he said i'm sure it was then. So frustrating.

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    Well, I hope you can get it worked out in your favor, Michele. I myself loathe HOA's. I would read the covenant thing, talk to your attorney, then call the guy? &, yeah definitely talk to your neighbors.
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    (snip)Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Federal Housing Administration (FHA), which collectively purchase most of the residential mortgages financial institutions originate, all impose some restrictions on rentals in condominium communities, and they will not finance loans in communities that do not comply with their guidelines. However, the secondary market limits are considerably less restrictive than they used to be and significantly looser than many condominium boards assume.

    For example, at one time, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would not approve condominium loans if more than 30 percent of the units in a community were investor-owned, and they still impose strict limits on loans to investors. But they currently set no rental ratio limits at all on loans to owner-occupants.

    Condominium associations that want to obtain FHA certification – a requirement for anyone who wants to obtain an FHA loan to finance or refinance a condominium in the community – must have an owner-occupancy rate of at least 50 percent; no more than half the units can be investor-owned. That is not a difficult standard to meet; associations can easily comply without setting excessively low rental ceilings, which can have unintended negative consequences. These include:

    •Reducing the pool of prospective buyers for units in the community. (Investors who plan to rent their units and owner-occupants who think they might want to do so in the future will avoid condominiums in which rental caps are set too low); and

    •Limiting the options available to owners in a weak real estate market, forcing them either to sell their units at a loss or lose them to foreclosure(snip)

    (quote)Exempting all current owners from the rental limits – one grandfathering option – would effectively preclude all new owners from renting their units and would eliminate investors as prospective buyers. Exempting existing tenants avoids that problem; owners currently renting their units could continue renting them. But if rentals have reached the community’s cap when the existing tenants leave, the landlord would go to the end of the rental queue and might have to wait years before renting the unit again.

    The cap in this case has effectively destroyed this owner’s investment. And the grandfather provision has created something of an administrative nightmare for the association. Someone will have to keep track of the rental tally, maintain a list of current tenants and lease expiration dates, and monitor the priority positions of owners who are waiting for their turn to rent their units. Establishing a sensible rental cap in the first place will avoid most of these problems and may make a grandfathering provision unnecessary.

    A hardship exemption, on the other hand, is essential. Boards need the flexibility to bend the rules when necessary to address extraordinary problems. But it is important to define hardships clearly and narrowly: The unemployed owner who has to relocate to accept a new job but can’t sell his unit has a hardship; the owner who wants to rent her unit in order to move in with her boyfriend has an inconvenience.(snip)


    it was done by the attorney that represents the board because the attorney I spoke with thought maybe it wasn't done correctly and i told him the lawyer did it and he said i'm sure it was then
    You may have a 'loophole' available to help out your specific circumstance. From the same link ...

    (snip)"Associations can restrict rentals – if a supermajority of owners (at least 67 percent and sometimes more) agree to amend their bylaws; and they can impose these restrictions retroactively, making them applicable to existing owners, who bought their units when rentals were allowed, as well as to future purchasers who buy when the rules are in effect.

    Courts in Massachusetts and other jurisdictions have long recognized that, with the requisite vote of the unit owners, condominium associations can change their rules. They can prohibit pets, they can ban smoking and they can restrict rentals in the community, notwithstanding the potentially adverse impact on owners who purchased with rental in mind.(snip)

    The legal point, of course, is that the HOA board in and of itself lacks the legal authority to amend original bylaws. If restrictions on the number of rental units was NOT part of the original bylaws ( which in your case it apparently wasn't ), a majority vote by the HOA board members is NOT sufficient to establish such rental restrictions in and of itself !!! Doing that would have required a ( super ) majority vote of all of the HOA property owners to authorize a change to the original bylaws !!!

    Since you were an original HOA property owner, I can only assume that you would have been contacted if any such call for a HOA property owner vote was ever held. Thus, as long as the original HOA bylaws did NOT include rental unit restrictions, attempts to enact such rental restrictions on the sole basis of a HOA board member vote is arguably illegal ... and will not survive a court challenge. This could be your 'angle' to sink the entire issue ... make existing HOA president and board members look like total a$$holes to the HOA property owners at the same time ... and also allow for future redrafting of rental restrictions where those restrictions aren't any stricter than absolutely required by FHA !!!

    If it were me, I would have an attorney draft a letter to the HOA board / president pointing out the 'deficiency' ( i.e. need for a vote by a super-majority of HOA homeowners ), and threatening legal action against the HOA board / president if they attempt to interfere with you re-renting your unit to a new tenant. At the very least, this will force the HOA board / president to 'do your research for you' in regard to showing the existence of original bylaws allowing rental restrictions ( which probably doesn't exist ) or showing the record of a vote having been taken of all of the HOA property owners authorizing an amendment to original bylaws establishing rental restrictions ( which probably doesn't exist either ). Also note that amending bylaws requires a ( super ) majority of ALL HOA homeowners, not a majority of just those HOA homeowners who actually cast votes !!!
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    Is this about condominiums or subdivisions?

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    ^^^ from a legal standpoint it really doesn't matter. However, per a previous thread, Michele11 stated it was a subdivision.

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    Melonie. They did vote( supposedly) I have no proof 60% voted for it( that's what was needed). The attorney for are HOA changed it. So wouldn't you think they'd read through the actual by laws? So now what?

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    ^ As I said in the other thread I did not. I was having surgery and completely forgot. I'm reinjured. I can't say much here about that. But I can provide any info necessary to the board. I also would like to see the votes. I bet half the homeowners didn't even vote if there is 15 rentals. There is 23 houses on my two blocks I didn't count his blocj because he was in his garage and i didn't want the asshole to see me. he is telling me there's 50 houses. I don't think so. Since his cudesac is only a tad bigger than mine. Idk. That would make it like 4 houses though.

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    I just spoke with another attorney and he was like you could spend 30,000 and probably not get the outcome. He said judges side with the orginizations. I've been told something different by every attorney. Melonie I'm going to pm you.

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    I agree that local judges tend to side with the HOA's ( because the local judges will tend to cast you in the role of 'greedy absentee landlord' ).

    I also agree that if a HOA property OWNER vote was actually taken, and that a HOA attorney subsequently filed amended bylaws allowing rental restrictions, the odds of having such rental restrictions successfully reversed is pretty low ( as both attorneys you consulted have already told you ), and the legal fees involved are likely to be major.

    So it next comes down to whatever official criteria the new bylaws adopted in regard to 'hardship' exceptions. As I posted in your original thread on this topic, generally speaking a 'hardship' exception will involve a property owner needing to rent a property while the property is put up for sale, a property owner facing impending bankruptcy needing rental income to avoid bankruptcy, etc. The common thread is that failure of the HOA to grant a 'hardship' exception allowing the HOA homeowner to rent their property would result in a 'distressed' sale or foreclosure of the property ... which would in turn lower property resale values for other HOA homeowners. On that basis, the probability of your particular health problem resulting in a 'distressed' sale or foreclosure of your property is pretty low ... as are the odds the HOA board will approve a 'hardship' exemption.

    At this point, based on the input from two different local attorneys, the most prudent course of action might be to simply put your property on the market, before interest rates begin to rise, before real estate market prices begin to fall, and before you wind up racking up 5 figures worth of attorney fees !!!
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    Ok. I called the president. He hung up on me because I cried. He still says the heart shio is for the 60 days you have to get a new tennant if something happens to you. No! That is not how it's written and one the attorneys I spoke to even told me, I don't know what the hell to do!!!

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    Ok. So if there is 15 rentals that's 30%. So I can't sell it because no one can get a loan?!?

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    ^^^ yes you can sell it ... for the moment at least. The present FHA threshold is actually 51% owner occupancy right now ( but the FHA could return to 70% owner occupancy / 30% rentals at any time in the future ). However the number of willing buyers may still be limited, because no 'investor' is going to make an offer if the property can't be rented out !!! Even so, there should still be a fair number of willing buyers who intend to live in the house themselves.

    Truthfully, with the seriousness the HOA board / HOA attorney has shown in regard to rental restrictions, with the treatment you have received from the HOA president, with the 'smoke' blown in your direction by multiple attorneys, and with the distinct possibility that upcoming FED action will result in higher mortgage interest rates thus lower real estate values, I'd seriously consider 'cashing out'.

    Even if you are somehow able to obtain a 'hardship' exception which allows you to rent to new tenants in this particular case, you're undoubtedly going to have to face all of these same issues again when those new tenants move out a year from now !!! Thus it makes little financial sense to invest thousands of dollars in legal fees ( and another year's worth of property taxes and HOA dues ) in return for just a year's worth of rent revenues, only to find yourself right back where you are at the moment. Sometimes 'discretion is the better part of valor'.
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    ^ I get ya. Thing is my current house I built in 2003 is 2000 sq ft. And my daughter will be on her own soon and I was thinking of selling this and moving there but i'd like a few years to think about it. I make about 8,000 a year off that property so It's worth it to me. I've had 3 tennants, my first stayed 5 years. second 6 and these people 2. it's in the top area of the county so people love the area. I have a consult at 2:30 with an attorney and one I was really optimistic about on wednesday. I believe they had to have a meeting before they can change any covenants and I don't believe it's legal to exclude themselves in the cap. Also I know several people who run businesses out of their homes. it sates in our original covenants you cannot do that. I'm not giving up. Lol. Why I'm a top earner.

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    ^ Also are dues are only 200 a year so the board doesn't want to have to pay an attorney. they don't have it. If they see I get one it may help. At least have one send them a letter. Also what would they do if i just rented it anyways? Fine me per day? If all else fails I may just let my daughter move in...

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    GO Michele!


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    Also what would they do if i just rented it anyways? Fine me per day?
    Good point !!! It depends on particular state law regarding HOA's. In Nevada, for example, the maximum fine for HOA rule violators is $100 per week. However, in California the maximum fine for HOA rule violators is $500 per week. However, it is unclear what additional remedies might be available to HOA's if the violating HOA member refuses to obey rental restrictions ( HOA evicts tenants as fast as the violating homeowner can find new tenants ) or refuses to pay the fines ( eminent domain-esque takeover of the violating HOA member's property by the HOA ... paying the chronic violator 1/2 of the property's actual market value as 'fair' compensation ... less unpaid fines ? )

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    I don't believe it's legal to exclude themselves in the cap
    Indeed my above link discusses this as well. HOA board members must act in the best interest of the HOA homeowners as a whole. Thus imposing 'preferential' rules for HOA board members versus other HOA homeowners and / or conducting 'selective enforcement' are arguably legally actionable.


    Also are dues are only 200 a year so the board doesn't want to have to pay an attorney. they don't have it. If they see I get one it may help. At least have one send them a letter
    This was discussed as a very good idea in your previous thread on this topic. It's still a very good idea, since it will 'flush out' just how serious the HOA president / board is about enforcement. It should also 'flush out' how vulnerable the HOA may be to you threatening to bring a lawsuit. Your own attorney could draft a letter to the HOA president, informing him that your medical condition is grounds for a 'hardship' exception, informing him that you intend to re-rent your house, and informing him that you are prepared to bring legal action against the HOA board if it interferes !!! Such a letter would 'put the ball in their court' ... and their response will undoubtedly provide some very useful input in regard to future options ( and potential future risks ) on your part.


    I'm not giving up. Lol. Why I'm a top earner
    As long as you understand that the outcome is uncertain while the attorney's fees ARE certain, I agree give 'em hell !!!
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    The lawyer I had a phone consult today said I need to see if this was infact enacted legally. he wants 500. lol. I spoke with my gf husband he owns many rentals and gave me good advise. Some I was going to do anyways. before my other app tomorrow. i'm going to knock on all the doors and find out who is renting. And see if they voted. I did leave a message for " Marty" after he hung up telling him I wanted a copy of the vote proxies and a list of all rented houses in the subdivision. perhaps I could have people sign a letter saying they don't mind. I'm very good with people. Also I saw they are holding meeting at the church up the road. this also may be in my favor. I'm not an atheist but it may alienate people from attending. The aclu may want to help me. This is very hard. I'm single and have to do this all alone. But If I could survive what my happened two years ago with my tenants litterally destroying my property and the nightmare contractors I had to fire , who ripped me off hopefully I can survive this. also he said there may be grounds on the fact they've made the property unmarketable. I hope I can do something. I may even send in the paper to be on the board.

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    I need to reiterate. The lawyer was going to charge me 500 to send a letter demanding vote proxies and minutes of meeting? How it was recorded? And the list of rentals. I think I can find out on my own but would you pay to have a letter sent? That's first and foremost. See if it was done legally.

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    i;m reading the link. tenants here are not allowed to vote or be board members.

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    OK if you are going to actively oppose the HOA board, it's important to maintain focus.

    $500 for the attorney to research, prepare, and send the letter isn't unreasonable. But this is obviously just a first step. And for such a letter to be effective, the attorney first needs to know the actual 'situation' regarding the rental restriction bylaws themselves, as well as the way in which the HOA board is administering those rental restrictions.

    In the grand scheme of things, the total number of units presently being rented isn't a central point. The REAL point is how many units have been rented out AFTER the HOA change in bylaws which restricted the total percentage of rentals. So if you are personally going to canvass everyone in the development, be sure to ask the renters when they moved in / how long they have been renting a unit. Also ask the renters who their landlord is ... in preparation for the possibility that HOA board members are 'exempting' themselves from the rental restrictions.

    Your attorney's speculation about 'damages' caused by the rental restrictions ... i.e. reduced property resale value because no 'investor' will buy property if it can't be rented out ... is a valid legal point. However, multiple court cases have upheld the right of a ( super ) majority of HOA homeowners to ( retroactively ) enact and enforce rental restrictions upon the minority of HOA homeowners who are renting out / wish to rent out their units. The courts cited such issues as renters changing the 'character' of the community, renters not caring about maintaining the property ( or property's appearance ), renters being responsible for higher crime levels in the community, 'absentee' landlords not monitoring their tenants, etc. Thus I doubt that your attorney will be able to get very far with this point.

    As your attorney correctly pointed out, a hugely important point is whether or not the HOA board ( and their attorney ) crossed all of the necessary legal 'tees' in regard to rental restrictions. First issue is whether or not a vote of ALL HOA homeowners was taken. The law is pretty clear that a ( super ) majority of HOA homeowners is necessary in order to amend HOA bylaws to add rental restrictions. If there are 30 HOA homeowners, by the letter of the law all 30 of those HOA homeowners needed to cast a vote. If the HOA board acted on, say, 20 total HOA homeowner votes with 15 of those votes in favor of rental restrictions, this is vulnerable to challenge because 15 votes for rental restrictions out of a total of 30 HOA homeowners is NOT a ( super ) majority. This is the reason that your attorney wants to see copies of the actual vote proxies.

    If it turns out that the HOA homeowner vote was in fact 'legal', the next important point is whether or not the rental restrictions and related rules ( hardship 'exemption', penalties for non-compliance ) are 'just and reasonable'. Are the hardship 'exemption' requirements clearly stated in black and white versus left up to the discretion of the HOA president / board ( leading to potential 'unequal' treatment of different HOA homeowners ) ? Are the penalties for non-compliance clearly stated in black and white, versus left up to the discretion of the HOA president / board ( again leading to potential 'unequal' treatment of different HOA homeowners ) ? Are the mechanisms which will be used to decide which HOA homeowner will be allowed to next rent out their unit should the total number of rental units fall below the rental restriction 'cap' clearly stated in black and white ( lottery, waiting list etc.) or also left up to the discretion of the HOA president / board ( again leading to potential 'unequal' treatment of different HOA homeowners ) ? Are the conditions allowing the HOA president / board to 'evict' a HOA homeowner's tenant clearly stated in black and white versus left up to the discretion of the HOA president / board ( again leading to potential 'unequal' treatment of different HOA homeowners ) ? This is the reason that your attorney will want to see a copy of the complete bylaws related to rental restrictions. If the rental restriction election was properly conducted, and the new rental restriction bylaws were properly filed, there is still a good possibility that those rental restriction bylaws can be challenged if they are not 'just and reasonable' and/or they are not being administered in an 'equal' manner. A legal challenge would almost certainly be assured successful if the HOA president / board members can be proven to have exercised 'unequal' treatment by granting themselves 'exemptions' from the rental restriction bylaws.

    Attending the HOA association meeting is an extremely good idea. I would recommend taking an attorney with you though ... or at least recording what is said at that meeting !!!


    tenants here are not allowed to vote or be board members
    Indeed. Only the property OWNERS are HOA members. And only HOA MEMBERS can vote or serve on the HOA board. Tenants have zero rights in regard to the HOA.


    I may even send in the paper to be on the board
    as a HOA member property owner, you can certainly 'throw your hat in the ring' for the next HOA board member election. However, this also carries certain responsibilities ... from a requirement to attend regularly scheduled HOA board meetings in person, to potential personal legal exposure should another HOA member property owner choose to try and sue the HOA board.
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    Ok. I have an attorney who looked at the new restriction( pulled it up on his computer). he was intrigued what he could see recorded was only 2 pages. the third with the hear ship restriction was left out? he knew the attorney who drafted it( there attorney) and said " let me tell you what. you sound like a good person I'll send him a letter requesting meeting, minutes, recorded votes etc, pro bono". So this guy was recommended to me a while ago. I googled him and he fights for hoa's and I saw something were he was arrested for allegedly molesting a boy. I don't know but he's done 500 of work for free. he gave me the most advise out of everyone. But I could just see the board saying something. he didn't wasn't disbarred. Idk. I don't have to hire him but he said the attorney( whom he went to law school with) read it the day he got it and didn't respond. Ok. I went and talked to people in the neighborhood. Marty, no one can stand him! One lady who is original like me told me he makes up rules and does what he wants. i said why don't you vote him off the board?!? She said because none of them want to be on the board. i think I mentioned my friend across the street who rents his out. i soke to his tenant. She said he was pissed and going to do this, this ,this. I call and he's mad i wasn't at the meeting?!? Now I was not aware there was one. I never received anything and that would have worked in my favor if there was no meeting. he said only him and one other guy showed up( the other gy does not rent his propery but wants to in the future. he also told me NO ONE sent in the votes. they had to go door to door. doesn't sound legal to me. I also heard it's martys block with all the rentals and problems hence why him and the other asshole on the board did this. My block has only 2 rentals now. I told steve why don't all us owners who rent ban together and get a lawyer. he said he's done fighting?!? yeah he has a tenant for 8 years easy for him to say. I said you didn't do anything besides the meeting?!? I also asked if he looked at the votes? He said no why would I?!? said It's imperative to see them and our right. he said no because their attorney was there. that doesn't mean shit! The attorney I'm I guess working with sent me my original docs. there is something in there that may help me. But i'm not an attorney and i' not sure exactly how it reads in laymans terms. Thank you so much Melonie. You've been very helpful sometimes i just can't absorb all the info. P. S . Did you get my pm?

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    And no there is nothing about what constitutes a heart ship. The day he hung up he still kept saying it was for the 15 days they have to approve someone if i got hurt or whatever. That's not how it's written! So first. see if the votes are indeed done legal. Also steve said the owners they couldn't get to vote , that vote was used as a yes?!? That can't be legal. I didn't vote because I was in surgery when i got the letter and forgot.

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    Everyone is telling me not to knock on neighbors doors. but Idgaf! it's my right and I while I'm doing so i'm going to draw up a petition to have them sign saying they don't mind if i rent it. I'll make sure to be all" if I can't afford it, it won't be kept up and further bring down values. I can also prove since marty's been on the board are values have dropped. i'm avoiding his blovk though because he sits his ass in his garage and i can just see him calling the cops on me!

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