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Thread: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, drama]

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    Dizzy Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, drama]

    If that title didn't get ur attention, well... If ur reading this, I guess it did. Anyways, enjoy the drama.

    This whole Story is taking place in Germany.
    Im German, the Girl is South-Eastern European. Ecconomically the relation between our countrys can be compared to the one between the US and Mexico, altho shes here legally.
    She doesnt speak German, so her and me chat in English.

    She:
    Is in her mid-20's and quite smart, has a very realistic worldview. Used to be a Dancer for 7 years, since a few months working as a Mid-level escort (150 €/Hour). Shes quite unhappy with the Escort Job, and as I've learned on our 2nd Appointment... she didnt want to work as a escort (altho she certainly admits its good money.) A Family member of hers ran into trouble with organized crime, had debt... shes working it off now - and she has to share 50% of her income. Prostitution is legal here, Pimping isn't, I've told her that already, offered to help... but shes worried about her familiy at home.

    Me:
    Untill I was about 25 I was a complete failure with women... recently I've been getting better with stuff like staying calm, flirting, making smalltalk etc... but still... well lets just get to the Point:
    I've been a around 30y old male virgin before I've been with her. So, lets just say... im still quite unexperienced with women, not even to mention with women who hustle for a living...
    Might have a bit of a Knight in Shining Armor complex going on if I'm honest with myself, tho I try to keep it under control. Turns out thats harder than it sounds and had unexpected consequences.

    I've seen 2 other Girls (also escorts) since I've been with her... was fun, good service & smalltalk, but don't got the same connection with them as with her.

    The Situation:
    Anyways, when her and me met the first time she said shes looking for a Appartement here.
    So I've started thinking... in most bigger German Citys its hard as hell to find a Appartement, even if u speak the Language and were born here. And neither applies to her.
    But I could help her find one since im a local. There were some misunderstandings at first and we kept chatting about other stuff besides the Appartement thing too... but on our 2nd Appointment, we got some Facts settled.

    So... the one Detail that made the whole thing explode in my face was that I asked her for some free dates if I'd find her a appartement.
    Now, why I ask for that? Because 1.) As much as I'd love to be more than a client to her, I'm trying to be realistic here... she'll probably see me as a client forever. I dunno if things like finding her a Appartement can change that, but... I'd rather play it safe.
    And 2.) Finding a Appartement here is, as I've explained, hard work and time-consuming.
    To find something for a foreigner who doesn't speak the Language... waw. Daunting task, honestly.
    Her friends haven't offered the same thing to her.

    So when I mentioned it, she at first said that, Yes, she knew I wanted something back... she was slightly annoyed, but still accepting. We negotiated back and forth a bit about how often, etc... then I had to go, her next client coming in, etc. That day her and me still said good night to each other over text, everything normal. The next day I text her that I could start the appartement hunt now (actually had been on it for a few hours already) but would like to clear out that last Detail. What I got in reply was "Look, about the flat... I'll see what happens. I will resolve my problems myself. Thank you anyways..."

    Immedately I fall into a "Omg I did something terrible to her" Frame. To be honest: I think she really was hurt. She may be a escort girl and a ex-dancer... doesn't mean she can't be hurt, mmh?
    And maybe there are Girls who fall in love with Knight in Shining Armor persona types (don't think I've ever met one, but..)
    On the other Hand, maybe she just was annoyed that I wouldn't work completely for free for her.
    But I don't think I was offering her something exploitative or unfair.
    1.) For a girl that has 15-30 guys a week... does one more really make a difference? Especially if that one is a guy u actually like?
    2.) If I work 20 or more hours on this appartement thing... - Plus anything that comes after that (help her setup things, etc) - is it unfair of me to ask to see her for free a few times?

    I've already done a few things for free for her (i.e. writing her a very positive review, racking my brains about how exactly to get her a Appartement, telling her when they (the „management“) - against her wishes - uploaded face pictures of her on her escort profile, offering her my help to get out of this being "managed" situation... so, ya.

    Anyways... I've apologized a few times, she sent me sad smileys back... I've tried to switch topic after a while (rather clumsily..) and then she blocked me on whatsapp. Not a good way to make repeat clients in general I guess, so either she read me perfectly and knew that I'd try to see her again - imo, thats very unlikely, high risk gamble... or I've really hurt her with this, made her feel like shes only good for sex, etc.

    A few days later... I've visited her again. She was teary-eyed, apparently just was on the phone because of some trouble with her family. Talk about bad timing.
    Ended up paying 100 bucks for 30 minutes of hearing her talk about how her and me don't really know each other (true dat, but when do u really know someone?), life is shit, im just a client to her, im not the first one to try to use her (I just paid 100 for 30 minutes of talking, whos using who?!?)... in the end she unblocked me. The appartement thing is still off, she wants to stay 1-2 more months and then go somewhere else.
    Got her to promise me to contact me before she leaves... Imma be honest, I'd really like to let her know that she was my first girl.
    And maybe she'd like to know too, etc. But honestly, I'd rather not tell her while things are like that...

    Anyways... the current situation: Shes still not really talking to me and the whole "I tried to USE her" thing is really starting to annoy me, cuz it simply ain't true. I don't use people. Goes against everything I believe in. Maybe shes been cheated on so often, she doesn't know whats fair anymore.
    I DO understand her being pissed at me, if I had to guess - I probably managed to make her feel like a Sexbot and shes a Human being - and she doesn't like her Job very much.

    Imo - if I leave things as they are - so "Im just another man that tried to use her" - her and me might never again have a normal relationship to each other. Not even a regular client-escort relationship. And I'd really like to see her again before she leaves, even if „just“ as a client.

    So... the question is should I
    A) Try to clear things up (over whatsapp – ugh) maybe make clear that I already did lots of stuff for free for her, that calling me a people-abuser is absolutely uncalled for and that the proposed idea of "I'll find u a appartement for a few free dates" really wasn't that unfair - AKA: A bit of a wakeup call for her.
    B) Just leave it be, not contact her for a few weeks/months, etc. Would solidify the whole „Ah, the guy that tried to use me!“ frame of hers tho. Really don't like that option.
    C) Leave it be for a week or so, then talk about it with her.
    D) Run like hell cuz im being played (call me paranoid - but just like her, im also trying to protect myself here.)

    Once its clear to her that actually was not being unfair or abusive towards her – and I'll regain some trust – maybe I can help her get her out of that whole „being managed“ crap too. I hope.

    I know this falls a bit outside of the usual frame of this Forum... but eh. Shes a ex-dancer / currently escort, most of u Girls in this forum are Dancers, a few are Escorts... u have a better idea of her Mindset than me. Any help and advice would be appreciated.
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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    How about this, if you don't want to do something out of the kindness of your own heart, don't do it? You claim to want to be more than a client to her, and you claim to care for her. Well, if you did, you would do this favor for her for "free". The fact of the matter is you like any other client, like any other opportunist only truly cares about their end result -- for you that's getting your pee pee wet..for FREE. I would of blocked you too or at the very least given you a nice insult and laugh in your face. You are trying to exploit her. You know she is at a disadvantage with not being a local and not speaking the language and you try to use her for free sex. That doesn't show me you have an ounce of care for the poor girl. I see you said "dates"plural..how many were you trying to get ? wow.
    You say she has a pimp? Has it ever occurred to you that maybe giving you what you wish for (free services) could get this girl you care so much about in trouble??
    SHe doesn't even want to be an escort - she was practically forced into it cause of family problems and you're proposing she do it for free?! "who cares what's one more john?" ..i can't.
    Furthermore, you chose to write her a review -nobody put a gun to your head so stop saying you did this and this for free, you sound ridiculous.
    You did try to use her..and If I were you I would apologize and either help her find an apt or don't but no more "deals".


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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    ^^ This.

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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    Edit: okay read it.


    You are an idiot. Don't ever ever EVER try to exploit sexworkers. Don't EVER EVER try to exchange your services for sex. I would drop your ass in a heartbeat. You insulted her. You should feel very lucky for getting the privilege to fuck her. How fucking dare you.


    What ever happened to helping someone because you are a good person? And not trying to use them.
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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    Seriously ^ no more GN texts..who does that? ?
    ANd I don't think he was going to PAY for her apt, just help her FIND one.
    I've heard it all... good god.

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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    Leave her alone, your "services" aren't worth free sessions and 100/half hour=pfttt, I'd cry, too. See, her real friends would help for lunch, a pedicure, etc.. Congrads on forever being a client in her mind. Glad she blocked you and made room for clients who show up, pay, get fucked, and leave. No offense, but I guarantee she has a bigger headache over you than you do over her.
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    *le sigh*

    Assuming this is real:

    OP, you wouldn't ask a friend (which you basically admitted she was or more than an escort to you) to exchange their services for free i.e. you wouldn't ask a pilot for a few free flights, just because they fly "15-20 times per week anyway and one more won't hurt"-it IS "unfair" and I am a disgusted that you had the audacity to propose it (most people would have at least started with a tactful, "Ok, if you have dinner/coffee with me?" lol! And, no I am NOT suggesting you try that). Plus, it's not really an "exchange of services"-you are not a realtor who can actually, seriously insure her a place to live! Like others have said, don't offer to help someone unless you really want to help them-especially a vulnerable women (sex worker or not) who you apparently care about.

    If by chance there was an actual "connection", you have destroyed it. Cease contact with her, she's obviously expressed that she's not interested in your "deal", and find a new girl to see instead. I do feel slightly sad for you because don't understand why your "deal" wasn't acceptable or appropriate. Hopefully the responses offer you some insight into why she reacted this why and why it was in fact "unfair".
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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    So you offered to help her with something, but then tried to leverage the offer for unpaid sex from a girl that you were already paying for sex. Gee, I wonder why she might have objected to that?

    Once this nugget came out, all of the rest of your story about her situation became irrelevant. You can be the guy who really wants to help or the guy who is angling to get into her pants, but not both. Your motives and credibility all became suspect once you tried to leverage a supposed good deed for sex. Seriously now. After that, why would she think that you are anything other than another guy trying to use her?

    If I were you I would just walk away. There are many more providers in the sea. I'm sure that the next p4p girl, whose life and circumstances you can also pointlessly explore and obsess about, is just round the corner.

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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    You can't blur the lines. If you want payment for services you perform - ask to be paid for them. If you want to do a good deed for someone knowing that there may not be a reward at the end of it, then do the good deed and dont ASK for the reward. But certainly don't do something that you want to be paid for, call it a good deed and then expect a reward for it. It just doesn't work like that.

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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    Yup, got as far as the sex for apartment part and stopped reading. Nothing else happening there. Yawn

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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    I'd say go for option
    E) Realize that she's right - you tried to use her.


    You seem to have a glorified self-image, my advice is you look into that.
    No one is perfect, some worse than others but no one perfect, so maybe you don't see yourself as someone who uses other people but let's be clear - you just did that, you tried to use her. Be realistic, your behavior really doesn't reflect that nice persona you hang on to. Is it sex workers in particular you feel deserve this type of treatment where you (maybe subconsciously) try to exploit, or is it a habit for you to treat all relationships like that? If that's how you go about life, don't care for others unless they give you something as payment, then maybe that partly explains why you're unexperienced with women. If the only people you treat this way are sex workers then try to figure out why you don't consider them worthy of the same respect you give to others.

    Next time you find yourself in this type of situation be generous and kind, the way a true friend would, or don't bother.

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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    Let's see here...

    - 30 yr virgin
    - Only experiences with women seems to be with escorts/sex workers
    - Self admits to being a White Knight (i.e. "nice guy")
    - Tries to manipulate the escort to get "freebies"

    You need to work on yourself quite a bit before you try to interact with women. You need to increase your self-esteem, find a good mentor, and maybe see a psych to work on your issues. Stop seeing escorts, masturbating would be safer for you. Since you've not had many real relationships with women don't try to create one with a sex worker. It doesn't seem that you can control your fantasies or emotions well yet. Good luck

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    Dizzy Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    My main ? for everyone responding, how.in.the hell. did y'all read thru all that??? My eyes glazed over in mid-first paragraph!


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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    ^^It took me a few efforts before I made it through.

    I'm still smh over the notion that he really believes he wasn't trying to use her and that his benevolence was really worth free sex. Reminds me of guys who use the "but I spent SO much money!" card when a woman doesn't want to go out with them again or won't sleep with them. This is pretty much the escort version of that.

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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    Wonder if OP will come back to close his poll or did we scare him away?

    I picked D. But its directed to the escort who he tried taking advantage of.





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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    Wow, Feedback certainly hasn't been positive, but yes I'm certainly coming back to this.

    This "'I'll find her one for xxx" wasn't my first idea.
    At first I suggest just helping her find one - meaning her and me sit down with a Laptop in any place with Wlan, look thru the Ad's, she picks some, I'll call them, we meet the owners together. All I expected to get out of this was to spend some time with her, perhaps build more of a connection with her, thats all. It would have been lots and lots of work too but it probably wouldn't have felt like it.
    Her Response to this Suggestion? Nothing.
    So she expected me to find one for her, read: I do every single thing, and when im done... she moves in.

    Perhaps I haven't empathised enough by me is just exactly how hard it is to find a Appartement here.
    When my sister and her BF were looking for one – they were searching for 6 months. Not on and off, but constantly.
    Its not something one can expect to do in a few hours or even a few days.
    Almost daily the newspapers are full about just how hard it is to find a appt. Now laws are being passed (google "Mietpreisbremse") but it'll be about 6 months till they come into effect.
    For someone from here, its hard already. To find something for a foreigner who doesn't speak the Language... good luck.
    I'm not a realtor – but basically my only realistic option here was to rent something for myself – and then rent that out to her. So I would have been quite involved financially and legally.
    And I would have needed to lie about her Job and her Backstory to the appt owners – if any of this ever comes out, u can be sure some of it will fall on me too.
    Good luck to me when I start looking for my next appartment then... "Oh, ur the guy that rents appartements for Prosititutes, right? So ur a Pimp? Fk off."
    Thats not even mentioning the Mafia thing... and I barely know this Girl. I like her a lot, but I barely know her.
    And her actual friends? Yes they'd help with Lunch, a pedicure... finding a appt? Thats in a different league.
    They don't even know about her Job and still haven't even offered the "Sit down together and try to find something." option as far as I know.

    Its bascially like taking a 2nd Job, just with no pay, the risk of being on a black list 'till the end of time and oh, the risk of the Mafia ending up being involved too.
    Maybe it would have been "cleaner" to just ask her to pay me to find her a appt and keep it strictly professional, but still... yeah.
    I'll thank you all for reading my ridicously long thread and giving me ur opinion but if that point doesn't make it across, maybe I've come to the wrong place after all.

    /E: Oh and... the Debt apparently has been worked off lately, tho she still continues working. It's all about "Money, Money, Money" now, according to her.

    And how do you think one gets into being a ~30yo male virgin.... oh I can see the answers coming in already "Because you are an abusive asshole!". Sorry but those get laid like crazy, so nope.
    I've been used often enough – at some point im drawing the line and that point has come in the last few years.
    I want to help her – with the appt, with getting out of this mafia shit (there ARE ways), perhaps with moving back to dancing – but I don't want to be used here either.

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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    Why do you assume that she expects you to do all work here? Because that's exactly what she suggested? Or because she didn't accept your offer? I mean, if it's the second case, then maybe she just doesn't feel comfortable accepting help from you, understanding that you will want smth back.

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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    About the apartment.

    How much have you actually thought about this from her perspective? She's hardworking and probably doesn't want to depend on you the way you describe she would. You would rent the place out to her? I can see how that could go wrong and not just for you buddy. Yeah she knows you want something in return.

    And let's have a look at her situation.

    She makes 75 € (since someone else takes half) for one hour with a client, I'm sorry but that's not good money if you're selling sex, I sure hope you gave her a tip on top of that, and she doesn't even like escorting. She's just doing it to look after her family and herself. Shouldn't she be searching for an apartment to share with other people? That way she would save money and could possibly get out of escorting faster, which would be a plus since she doesn't seem to like it, she wouldn't have to pay 2-3 rents upfront, she wouldn't have to translate all the papers to and from German, she probably wouldn't even need your help.

    And if she's looking for that option, ie to share, then I really don't think it is as complicated as you claim. In all the big european cities there are people like her who manage to find apartments, they get into one as a flatmate/roommate and then they work hard and they save their money. Sometimes they move out to their own place once they get the opportunity and sometimes they keep sharing (but for example upgrade to having their own room if they previously had a roommate etc) to maximize what they can send to their families or put in the bank for themselves. Usually there is a community of foreigners, so even if you don't speak the language there can still be a way to get your foot in the door.

    When she has that roof over her head and she's making the maximum amount of profit, and maybe even learnt a bit of German, she can look for an apartment just for herself, but why would she need her own apartment right now - when she's in this fucked up situation?

    Just my two cents.

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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    I don't care if "it's so hard to find an apartment here." I don't care if "She expected me to do everything." Don't fucking do that man, don't even try to justify it. SEX IS NOT AN NEGOTIATING TOOL! Sex is very intimate and a privilege. She is allowing you to pay her to experience something that you probably would of never experience on your own.

    If she was trying to use you and take advantage of you, shame on her. That's when you put on your big boy pants and say no. Not try to use that opportunity to leverage free dates. If she didn't want to sit down with you on her time and look for apartments, fine! You offered your help, she didn't want it or took advantage of it. Tell her to hire a realtor.

    Really, if so many people are giving you negative feed back. It's not because you "explained yourself enough." You went it too much detail with your OP. It's because trying to leverage sex for any service IS NOT COOL! May it be apartment hunting, fixing the sink, walking the dog, whatever. As a sex worker, our bodies are not free, especially our time. It's a huge insult, and really piggish of you. If you can't understand it, then you are an idiot.

    Also hun, many of us lives in cities where its hard to find apartments too. Especially affordable ones. We understand the struggle. So don't give us that sob story.





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    Op, you are an asshole, a user and a fucking idiot! Yes, just because she's an escort doesn't mean she feels no pain. She's not a robot moron.

    You don't deserve sex for helping her find an apartment. Of course she was annoyed, she probably thinks you're a piece of shit. And you are. I don't think you need to be talking to any women right now. Take the next 5-10 years to learn a thing or two about life and women... Because you clearly know nothing about either... Then maybe try again.


    You absolutely disgust me.
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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    Tagon, it seems to me that you were trying to push a lot of this "assistance" on her. You keep trying to sell the notion that it is impossible for someone like her to get an apartment and then offer yourself as her ready made solution. Sorry dude, but it sounds like you are running a classic con, in this instance in order to obtain as much free sex as you can. And like all too many con artists, you are mixing truth with fiction and targeting someone who you perceive to be vulnerable.

    Unfortunately for you, she wasn't dumb enough or desperate enough to fall for it and has smartly cut you off. Cheer up though, the next victim, er, I mean damsel in distress, is no doubt just around the corner - or maybe even standing on the corner.

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    Yeah you definitely came to the wrong place. since all you were looking for was praise for being such a great guy and helping that down and out hooker who you think used you. You're not going to get that, sorry. You have such a condescension towards this woman it's hard to believe you actually even like her. Either way you've done nothing commendable so you can keep trying to defend yourself but it just makes you look even worse.
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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    Quote Originally Posted by Tagon View Post
    If I work 20 or more hours on this appartement thing... - Plus anything that comes after that (help her setup things, etc) - is it unfair of me to ask to see her for free a few times?
    yes. ethical people help others where they can because it's the right thing to do, NOT because they want something in exchange

    what you're doing is wrong. if you want to help her, help her with no strings attached and no repayment expected or asked for (in pussy or anything else). If you can't do that you're just another guy trying to get a piece of her on his terms, not hers. That's highly unethical and does her no favors

    honestly I think you need to step back and put some work into yourself. reading your posts it's clear that you want to think of yourself as a kind person, so why not put some work into actually becoming one?

    a year from now come back, read this thread and hopefully you'll shudder at who you used to be. wish ya good luck

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    Default Re: Mafia, Euros, Pimps, male30yo exvirgin, crying escort, appartement hunt [LONG, dr

    Quote Originally Posted by Tagon View Post
    So... the question is should I
    A) Try to clear things up (over whatsapp – ugh) maybe make clear that I already did lots of stuff for free for her, that calling me a people-abuser is absolutely uncalled for and that the proposed idea of "I'll find u a appartement for a few free dates" really wasn't that unfair - AKA: A bit of a wakeup call for her.
    B) Just leave it be, not contact her for a few weeks/months, etc. Would solidify the whole „Ah, the guy that tried to use me!“ frame of hers tho. Really don't like that option.
    C) Leave it be for a week or so, then talk about it with her.
    D) Run like hell cuz im being played (call me paranoid - but just like her, im also trying to protect myself here.)
    B) Just leave it be, not contact her for a few weeks/months, etc...

    You believe that you are a good guy and what you did was just. Your opinion of yourself and your character is all that matters but it bothers you if others don't agree. That's life my dear. Not everyone is going to regard you as highly as you regard yourself. All you're doing here is making more people think you're a douchebag. The opposite of what you're trying to accomplish. If you go somewhere else you will likely get the same reaction.

    For your own sake and definitely hers, understand that: she doesn't want any part of your proposal. Get over it. She doesn't want you to save her from her situation in the future. She doesn't want you to convince her what a good guy you are. She apparently wants you to leave her alone. Do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GypsyLace View Post
    Just leave the girl alone , you've become a weird stalker type and those give most sex workers the fear .
    ^This! It has a Law and Order SVU air to it-Captain Save A Hoe landlord and assaults live in sex slave .
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