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    Default Dancers do you think backpage and escorts are hurting the stripping business?

    This is a question I got for Dancers. Do you think backpage, escort agencies, and legal brothels are hurting the stripping industry?

    I been going to many clubs for the past couple years and one thing I have noticed, at least in my area, is dancers are complaining the dancers are not making the money they use to be making years ago. Not as many customers are coming in and guys just are not spending the money they use to. I got a theory why this is.

    If a guy can get a girl for $200/hr on backpage who is just as attractive as most girls in the clubs, even if it is just stripping, this is a lot cheaper then a VIP in a club. If the $200 is for "anything goes" in that hour then this is a much better deal then they can get in most clubs. From what I have observed in many clubs "anything goes" is against club rules and the girl risks getting fired if she is caught. I have seen mangers go into VIP rooms and fire girls caught on camera.

    Even escort agencies online that charge like $500/hr, this is still a much better deal than what you get in the clubs. Many girls at the escort agencies have their photos verified and they are very attractive girls. Even if the $500 for an hour is stripping only, many strippers I have met want at least that much if not more for stripping only outside the club and many flat out refuse to do stripping with a customer in a hotel room.

    The threat of law enforcement is not there if the escorts and the customers word things right, according to a relative of mine who is an attorney. He is a criminal attorney and he told me as long as the agreed terms between the customer and the escort is "stripping only" for an hour in a hotel room, the girl and the customer are pretty much immune to getting in any legal trouble. Sure the cops could try to arrest, but the charges will never hold water in court due to lack of evidence. If all the evidence from text messages and verbal agreement only centers around "stripping only" this is legal under the law and any good criminal attorney will be able to get the girl and customer off.

    Also there is the legalization of brothels like in Nevada, Europe, and talks of legal brothels in Canada that I see as potentially hurting the stripping industry. I predict in the next 10 years in the United States more states besides Nevada will have legal brothels, it is just a matter of time.

    So dancers what are your thoughts do you think backpage, escorts, legal brothels and talks of more legal brothels are hurting your business and the stripping industry?

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    Default Re: Dancers do you think backpage and escorts are hurting the stripping business?

    I kind of wish there were more legal brothels around. I think what's hurting stripping in my neck of the woods is the high prevalence of girls prostituting in the clubs themselves. Brothels and strip clubs attract different customers IMO, but then lines become blurred when girls start offering more than dances in the club.


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    Well talking to dancers who have been dancing 17+ years the lines between stripping and prostitution are becoming blurry. One club I go to just 15 years ago use to prohibit customers from touching dancers and there was no lapdance grinding allowed( really when you think about it it is a form of masturbating the guy). Now at the club touching the dancers is perfectly fine, even touching her breasts and butt during the lapdance is fine and very common. Almost all the girls at the club grind the guy till he is "happy". I remember over a decade ago when a friend took me to Polekatz in Chicago. Back then I remember I was not allowed to touch the dancer and no grinding was allowed. I remember the bouncer back then being very firm that either I had to sit on my hands or keep them to my sides. Now when I go there you can touch the dancers and dancers will grind guys typically till he is "happy".

    I think strip clubs attract the same customers that go to escorts, IMO. A research study at Indiana University surveyed like I want to say over 10,000 men and found that 69% of men admitted at least one time in their life hiring a call girl, escort, or street walker. Although most strippers that I talk to tend to think of men who hire "call girls" as pigs and have no respect for them, I bet about 8 out of 10 guys who visit a strip clubs have done exactly that. In fact most guys I will hang out with and talk to at the clubs openly admit to me that they have hired a "call girl" before, but they won't admit that to the strippers working in fear of being rejected as a customer and for the girl to think badly of them. A lot of truckers visit strip clubs and truck stops tend to be hotspots for prostitutes. Men away from their wives who are lonely being on the road all the time are desperate for some female companionship and a little loving. Every single trucker I have talked to in my lifetime has flat out admitted that they have hired one of these girls before at truck stops. Men are not evil, our strong sexual drives just tend to rule our behavior sometimes and get in the way of good judgement.

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    Default Re: Dancers do you think backpage and escorts are hurting the stripping business?

    No. It hasn't. That's two different services. Plus, prostitution is older than strip clubs.

    And wtf should a dancer risk her safety stripping at damn hotel room?! No one should do this.

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    Default Re: Dancers do you think backpage and escorts are hurting the stripping business?

    I don't think so, at least not at my club. Girls will very discreetly do them in the $20 or $40 wristband entry rooms, and charge by the $20-$30 song. Most of the asshats that come in for extras are only good for a few songs before they blow their load... so that BJ or HJ only cost them between $60-100 most of the time. Most guys in a SC don't care about quality either. A $500 escort is an experience, not just a get-your-rocks-off thing... The $100 extras girl in the club is viewed as a cum dumpster, to put it crudely, but that's what they want is just someone to blow them.

    In somewhere like NY where extras go on in the $1000 rooms, it might be a different story.
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    Default Re: Dancers do you think backpage and escorts are hurting the stripping business?

    Possibly. Depending on the dude.

    I think backpage girls and their $200-500 prices cause strip club customers to expect same sort of "bang for their buck" in the strip club. If I was an escort I'd charge more than $500 for an hour but that's just me though. There is no way I'd except $200 for "anything goes" and these type of escorts must be bottom of the barrel or lowballing themselves cause they don't know what they are worth. Especially with any agency getting up to 40% - hell naw!

    Truth is competition is everywhere and there is always someone willing to do more for less that's the cost of business. Just gotta keep moving along, keep providing a quality service and charging a reasonable price that leaves room for a decent profit regardless if a Stripper is charging $60 or whatever they charge for handjobs in VIP or regardless if an escort is charging $200 for anything you want.

    And remember that not every dude wants full service from some strange p*ssy / mouth / hand
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    Default Re: Dancers do you think backpage and escorts are hurting the stripping business?

    Yes & no.

    I agree that SCs & escort type activites are two separate services. In themselves, escort services are not the problem. It's like asking an Italian-restaurant owner if the Thai place down the block & the Slavic pub across town are damaging his business. It's really a non-issue for all three establishments bc it's simply different clientele looking for different things.

    I think the problem lies w/ the bargain-basement prices that are typically found on BP/CL. They have created the expectation in customers that dancers need to provide actual sexual services in order to be 'worth the $$$'. It's the low-expectation girls who settle for such low rates, + a general entitlement on the part of these customers, that is the root of this problem.

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    Default Re: Dancers do you think backpage and escorts are hurting the stripping business?

    IMHO, your attorney friend may be correct for the state you live in, but other states may arrest for 'suggestive' moves, dancer touching her private areas, etc.

    Cops do not 'try to arrest' - they arrest - at which point you have lost big-time. Doesn't matter if you 'win in court', it will cost thousands and your name will be in the paper.

    My opinion is that strip clubs are more the appetizer or foreplay - whether the dude then goes home to a wife or books time with an escort. (At least I'd don't enjoy a 'happy ending' on a sticky couch in the back of a bar...)

    Not meaning to hijack, but there are few escorts that can do a decent strip show for a customer as part of her 'menu'. (Not just me, guys I know have booked time with 'former strippers' that give lame lap dances.)


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    ... <SNIP> The threat of law enforcement is not there if the escorts and the customers word things right, according to a relative of mine who is an attorney. He is a criminal attorney and he told me as long as the agreed terms between the customer and the escort is "stripping only" for an hour in a hotel room, the girl and the customer are pretty much immune to getting in any legal trouble. Sure the cops could try to arrest, but the charges will never hold water in court due to lack of evidence. ... <snip>
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    Default Re: Dancers do you think backpage and escorts are hurting the stripping business?

    Not really, no. They have their place in the ecosystem.
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    Default Re: Dancers do you think backpage and escorts are hurting the stripping business?

    The trend might be very slow; however, I believe escorting will very slowly decrease the strip club business over time. With that said, strip clubs will be dominant for a long time especially in countries where prostitution is illegal.

    There are only so many men in the US. And, the population is aging which means there are few younger men "coming of age" than there are us older gentlemen hanging around. This means the *demand* for sex work is not changing significantly. On the *supply* side, escorts (i.e. online shopping for prostitution) offer another choice for a sexual experience which decreases the number of men who will go to the strip club. With escorting offering competitive rates with full contact, sooner or later, clubs will feel the pinch. Still, there are a lot of risks around using escorts which keep many men away from it. If the US ever decriminalizes prostitution, that will be a huge threat to the strip club business.

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    Escorting has been around for hundreds of years. It's not this new flashy shiny thing that you guys believe. Women would be hired as companions for wealthy men that date back to BC. This can be seen with the history of geishas. The internet just makes it easier for escorts to find their clients. Strippers don't normally have sex with their customers. It's not in the job criteria.


    People have been selling sex for THOUSANDS of years. Stripclubs have been around for decades. I don't see this happening. If anything, they would be feeling the pinch from the economy (which it has). Escorting wouldn't be a huge factor. If it was, SCs would of died out years ago.





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    Default Re: Dancers do you think backpage and escorts are hurting the stripping business?

    What tempest and audritwo said IMHO. Some folks are posting as if cheap online escorts are something new. They aren't. You could dial one up from Craigslist 10 or even 15 years ago and even back then they were also much cheaper than fun (however you define it) with strippers. Backpage is just the place where CL girls moved to after CL caved in to government pressure some years back and shut down their escort section.

    It's the economy. When the bottom fell out, all sectors of the adult entertainment industry suffered, including escorts, cam girls, porn producers and, of course, strip clubs.

    IMO guys who patronize these different services often do so for specific reasons. Sure there are cross over customers, but IMO and IME each type of customer has a primary entertainment preference. Do you imagine, for example, that hard core strip club hounds who spend several thousand in clubs each year haven't sampled other alternatives? I sure did. I have seen a similar view on monger boards, where guys who prefer a simple dial a friend approach have previously tried clubs and found them to be a waste of time.

    Now sure some strip club hounds might settle on cheaper alternatives, like cam girls or cheap escorts, if they can no longer afford clubs, but that too is a function of the economy. I also don't think it is happening in great numbers, at least from what I am seeing about how those sectors are struggling too.

    IMHO when the economy hits pre-recession strength, whenever that may be, the tide will come in for everybody. And if it continues to grow sluggishly, then everyone will continue to make less than they did in the high flying days.

    Anyway, just my fwiw

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    If guys who want to buy sex would go get an escort instead of coming into the club and wasting my time, I would be SO happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    IMO guys who patronize these different services often do so for specific reasons. Sure there are cross over customers, but IMO and IME each type of customer has a primary entertainment preference. Do you imagine, for example, that hard core strip club hounds who spend several thousand in clubs each year haven't sampled other alternatives? I sure did. I have seen a similar view on monger boards, where guys who prefer a simple dial a friend approach have previously tried clubs and found them to be a waste of time.
    I respect your opinion and see your point of view, but I disagree. I think to 99% of guys sex is most important plain and simple. If it were legal almost every guy would buy it and abandon the strip clubs. The only reason guys go to strip clubs instead of escorts is they don't want to get arrested. So they go with a legal alternative. Paying for "fake" sex where the girl simulates sexual positions by rubbing herself against his crotch in various sex positions making "fake" moaning sounds. Also guys go to the strip clubs that are really illegal brothels for the same reason, to avoid being arrested. These are by far the best type of strip clubs around that the guys love to go to and the girls hate to work at. The best strip clubs are controlled by organized crime that pays off the cops to keep their mouths shut. The advantage of these clubs vs an escort is you have the Mafia protecting the customer and dancer from any legal trouble. At these clubs though expect to pay $300 -$500 for the VIP room plus another $200-$300 in tips to the dancer, VIP manager, waitress, etc. Unless the guy just wants a quick hj / bj which will cost between $50-$100, but many guys don't actually consider this sex ... Bill Clinton didn't.

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    Most men want what they can't have. They ask strippers to fuck. They ask waitresses, bartenders, & massage girls to strip and show them their tits.....

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    Thank you for speaking for the majority of men.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Furry_Gizmo View Post
    I respect your opinion and see your point of view, but I disagree. I think to 99% of guys sex is most important plain and simple. If it were legal almost every guy would buy it and abandon the strip clubs. The only reason guys go to strip clubs instead of escorts is they don't want to get arrested. So they go with a legal alternative. Paying for "fake" sex where the girl simulates sexual positions by rubbing herself against his crotch in various sex positions making "fake" moaning sounds. Also guys go to the strip clubs that are really illegal brothels for the same reason, to avoid being arrested. These are by far the best type of strip clubs around that the guys love to go to and the girls hate to work at. The best strip clubs are controlled by organized crime that pays off the cops to keep their mouths shut. The advantage of these clubs vs an escort is you have the Mafia protecting the customer and dancer from any legal trouble. At these clubs though expect to pay $300 -$500 for the VIP room plus another $200-$300 in tips to the dancer, VIP manager, waitress, etc. Unless the guy just wants a quick hj / bj which will cost between $50-$100, but many guys don't actually consider this sex ... Bill Clinton didn't.
    I've encountered your sort at work before. Believe it or not, you're a minority. I have men who want to rub my feet during a dance. I have men who want to squeeze my tits for the entire song--just that, nothing else (this is legal where I work, for the record). I have men who enjoy a really sensual experience and I've had those men ask me to ease off because they're getting too aroused. I've had a man who wanted me to pretend to cum by rubbing myself on his leg. I could keep going, but I think the point's been made. The men who actually want sex in the VIP don't buy dances--or at least they don't buy more than one. They complain about the absence of sex in the VIP, because they have the exact same opinion of it as you do and it's not a suitable substitute for them.

    You and your spiritual brethren should get over your fear of being arrested, travel to a website directory that lists escorts, and call them so that I don't have to see or hear you at work. I promise you, there are ways to go about this that are relatively safe and you should research those ways and stay away from strip clubs. We WANT to lose customers like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    Most men want what they can't have. They ask strippers to fuck. They ask waitresses, bartenders, & massage girls to strip and show them their tits.....
    I sometimes think if I allowed full-on sex, with kissing and fucking and everything, I'd still get guys going "I'm not allowed to kill you? Not even a little bit? This girl in Seattle totally let me kill her". You are so right: it's not about [whatever they're asking for], it's about being special and getting the girl to do MORE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_Red View Post
    I've encountered your sort at work before. Believe it or not, you're a minority.
    I disagree, at most clubs in Chicago that I been too I am definitely in the majority. I love Chicago

    I am not sure what clubs you have worked at, but the clubs I have gone to every guy who comes in expects the girl during the dance to rub her butt, vulva, boobs against his crotch till he cums in his pants. I watch guys get dances at the clubs I been too. Every guy that I see gets dances gets them till he is "happy" in the pants. At these clubs you would lose almost all the customers if you wished to ditch customers like that. Every single dancer at these clubs will grind the guy till he cums in his pants. Every single guy that comes in to the clubs I been to is grabbing the girls breasts during the songs, slapping & squeezing her butt, asking her to talk to him seductively during the song "call me Mr. Big Cock". And the girls willing do all this for the guys during the dance and talk to the guys this way. I watch the guys who come in and I watch what happens during the dance. Every guy from 18 - 75+, good looking or awful looks, short or tall, lowerclass or upperclass, rich or poor, athletic build or 200+ pounds overweight wants the girl to grind on him till he explodes in his pants or wants even more from her than that and is willing to pay a shit load of money for it.

    So from the clubs I have been at I feel like I am in the majority and the type of customer you are talking about is in the minority, but this is usually how things work in the Chicago clubs. At the Chicago clubs every guy that walks in( that I have observed) wants some form of sex, weather it is fake sex or the real thing. Maybe it is different at other clubs in different states. In the great city of Chicago though, anything goes at the strip clubs and they are almost all fully nude.
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    Yeah, you're just jacking off while you write this stuff. I suspected it initially, and now it's confirmed. Trolololol.

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    Yeah if I had to quantify it I'd say 30% of guys I encounter in the club think like Gizmo. it's messed up to be getting propositions for sex and I didn't tell dudes or even imply that what they would get.

    I wonder is hush money to law enforcement really good enough though? If people get so carried away like sucking or banging raw in VIP and spreading disease, creating public health scares, etc. someone would go against the grain and blow the whistle so to speak.

    I just can't see everyone going along with and being quiet about black market extras. Especially the dancers who don't participate and loose money as a result. And I know police can be corrupt and bought off for the right amount but some of them do have a conscience and no amount of money would make them look the other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Yeah if I had to quantify it I'd say 30% of guys I encounter in the club think like Gizmo.
    It amazes me just how little women actually understand men. 30% of men are open about their sexuality in strip clubs. All guys masturbate, every guy I have met in my lifetime has admitted he masturbates( we just are ashamed to be honest with women about it). If you honestly think only 30% of men in clubs think like me, read major research on male sexuality from any university Harvard, Princeton, Yale, etc. Any research you find from universities confirms what I state about the way men think. It is estimated men think about sex every 30 seconds. Most men are hypocrites, they don't want to offend women with how they really are, I know I use to be one. Ashamed of embracing my animal instincts. Men are great at fooling women about how they think. This is why you see Catholic priests secretly seeing prostitutes on the side, celebrities like Justin Bieber going to brothels, athletes like Tiger Woods hiring call girls, and very smart politicians like Eliot Spitzer spending thousands on escorts. Bieber, Tiger, and Eliot are not bad or evil guys at all they simply were caught embracing their true animal instincts. It is the way men are wired, weather women want to be honest with themselves about how men really are or not. Yes 30% of men in strip clubs are honest with the women about the way men think, the other 70% of the men are hypocrites( ashamed of being rejected by women for being honest about how genetics wired them to be.) Women can call men like me pigs, but your really calling all men pigs then. It is just the way men are. Men who are hypocrites are loved by women, while those who are blunt honest about their sexuality are called pigs. It doesn't pay to be honest in this world unfortunately.
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    "Every guy...blah blah blah"
    Are you there to watch the men instead?

    Also, not every club allows grinding and groping on the main floor. At my club security will tell customers who act like grabby cheap octopuses to chill, and my club is definitely not hurting with business.

    Guess what, there are gentlemen around too. Not randomly groping girls in areas where they're not suppose to. I would never take a guy into vip who expects sex or push my boundaries and I still make money.

    Stop talking out of your ass, like you know how all clubs function.
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    Man, this guy knows EVERYTHING!

    Once again, thank you for speaking on behalf for your entire gender. Totes not bias.




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    My turn to toss crumbs to the troll!

    Gizmo, let me be blunt. You REALLY need to get out more if you think the majority of SC customers roll like you do. True, you have a fair amt of company over there on the dark side -- entitled man-children who think they are such Hot Shit but are too cowardly to actually shoulder the risks of contacting an escort, so they shift as much of the risks as possible onto dancers while demanding the right to do so for the cheapest rates possible.

    But many areas are not nearly so overrun by your kind that dancers -- real dancers, not hookers -- can still make a decent living. The laws are not so lax nor so blatantly ignored everywhere as they are in your area. DC for example is still no-contact + 3ft rule, & for the most part they don't fk around. Still decent $$$ to be had bc there are in fact still decent customers.

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