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    I'm tired of hearing about another sex worker or former sex worker gets fired when they're employer finds out they did sex work.

    People whine oh my God we need to protect sex workers from exploitation, then do FUCK ALL when one gets fired from her job and she has to turn to some sort of adult entertainment to survive.

    Stupid fucking hypocritics, her personal life is none is of her employers business.

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    I never understood what a grown woman or man chooses to do with their genitals is anyones business. Consenting of course!

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    Default Re: There should be Anti Discrimination Sex Worker legislation

    People love to involve themselves in issues that do not involve themselves. The kindergarten teacher in FL fired when 'outed' for having bikini modeling photos, a teacher in the Boston area forced to resign for posting a FB pic toasting her husband while on vacation at the Guiness Brewery Tour. Of course our wonderful media loves to sensationalize the story. Gotta love reports of 'associating with a known prostitute', yup was arrested once and was in possession of a vagina...
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    I agree! Just because a woman was in the sex industry at some point in her life, does not make her a bad person nor does it determine whether or not she can properly do her job. I have stripper and escort friends who are nurses, teachers, businesswomen, etc and they are great at their jobs. What they do when they are not working, or what they did in the past for their work, is completely irrelevant. I think if a person was a murderer or some type of dangerous criminal they should definitely be discriminated against and prevented from having a job. But sex industry workers? there is no reason for them to be discriminated against!

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    Default Re: There should be Anti Discrimination Sex Worker legislation

    Good luck getting any sex worker legislation passed. Unless it's restrictive bullshit that just tends to make the clubs dirtier.
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    I agree with all of the above, but good luck with that. Unfortunately, most states that focus on adult entertainers at all seem to be doing everything they can to make things harder for them rather than easier.

    The sad reality is that social media and other online tools have made it much harder to hide anything that leaves an electronic trail. About the only way to truly hide anything now is to keep it offline and out of public records. I work in a sensitive field myself, so I don't maintain any social media accounts whatsoever. I suspect that this is why strip clubs retain their allure for some adult workers. It is still possible to keep a strip club past hidden from future employers and others, at least as long as one doesn't use the club's name on credit applications or get charged for some crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziel View Post
    Good luck getting any sex worker legislation passed. Unless it's restrictive bullshit that just tends to make the clubs dirtier.
    This is sadly true and I've witnessed this first hand. A few years back in 2009 I served as an interpreter on behalf of Korean-language sex workers voicing their opposition to criminalizing prostitution at the Rhode Island General Assembly judiciary hearing. It didn't really matter what kind of facts/info the women I was representing gave - the people who were in favor of closing the loophole that had legalized prostitution were super vitriolic and unreasonable. Classic NIMBY mentality.

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    Default Re: There should be Anti Discrimination Sex Worker legislation

    It's nobody else's business what other work an employee does. It is likewise nobody else's business who a person chooses to employ or not to employ and the reason he does so.

    In some situations it is possible that an employee who has done sex work could lose business for the employer. This is the risk employee took on when deciding to do sex work. You can blame customers who disapprove of sex work if you like but the reality is that, right or wrong, many such people exist and businesses have to attract customers. It's not necessarily a moral decision on the part of the employer - it's a business decision. If the employer is acting on moral grounds, that is also his business. He has his morality just as you have yours.

    There is a bit of hypocrisy in this. I bet that many prostitutes or strippers, if they became employers, would choose to hire a man who does not visit strip clubs or brothels over a man who does. Many women, even if they are strippers themselves, disapprove of men who go to strip clubs. They would not date one and they possibly would also not hire one, given an alternative.
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    It's nobody else's business what other work an employee does. It is likewise nobody else's business who a person chooses to employor not to employ and the reason he does so.

    In some situations it is possible that an employee who has done sex work could lose business for the employer. This is the risk employee took on when deciding to do sex work. You can blame customers who disapprove of sex work if you like but the reality is that, right or wrong, many such people exist and businesses have to attract customers. It's not necessarily a moral decision on the part of the employer - it's a business decision. If the employer is acting on moral grounds, that is also his business. He has his morality just as you have yours.

    There is a bit of hypocrisy in this. I bet that many prostitutes or strippers, if they became employers, would choose to hire a man who does not visit strip clubs or brothels over a man who does. Many women, even if they are strippers themselves, disapprove of men who go to strip clubs. They would not date one and they possibly would also not hire one, given an alternative.
    There is a LOT of hypocrisy in the bolded parts of your post.

    First, if it's truly no one else's business what a particular employee previously did for work … how exactly does that tie into it being 'a business decision bc our customers might disapprove'? How would those prospective customers find out that an employee previously worked as a stripper or escort? I would think a business would lose more revenue if they earned a reputation for spreading workers' private business around, since if they are doing it to their employees, what's to keep them from doing it to their customers?

    Then there is the HUGE difference between having a stripclub history as a dancer vs as a customer. The people skills we cultivate over yrs of dancing, for one thing, can be realistically transferred to a straight job. Sales skills, ability to engage customers, handling $$$ efficiently, etc. Thus, a dancer's ITC experience could actually conceivably have a place on a resumé or in a job interview. A male candidate trying to tout his 'ability to work well & please' based on 'all the satisfied escorts & strippers I've paid for entertainment' is, frankly, laughable.

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    My mom was a stripper and is one hell of a business woman and is a very VERY high up in the company she works for.... Just saying.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziel View Post
    Good luck getting any sex worker legislation passed. Unless it's restrictive bullshit that just tends to make the clubs dirtier.
    This is, unfortunately, true. Any country that has 'In God We Trust" printed on its money is not going to be very sex friendly, worker or otherwise. We do have, as a nation, a collective stick up our asses.

    What business does a government have telling anyone they can't sell something they are allowed to legally give away for free?

    The other issue is that keeping certainly things illegal, and thus constantly under negative public scrutiny, makes some people an awful lot of money. How much would organized crime, crooked pols, fire and brimstone preachers, etc, make if sex work suddenly was legal?
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
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    What business does a government have telling anyone they can't sell something they are allowed to legally give away for free?
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    This is good. The concerns I hear about are : it's a religious sin ; it can break up families ; drugs are often involved ; it leads to sex slavery. I have valid arguments about every one of these issues, and prostitution is not at the heart of any one of them; other social issues are.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

    NOTE: anything I post here, outside of a direct quote, is my opinion only, which I am entitled to. Take it for what you estimate it is worth.

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    If anything - I think the experience of being a former stripper is a major plus... Assuming she was successful at it, this past experience shows that a young woman is assertive, brave, has learned the art of salesmanship, has learned to attract and retain customers, knows how to deal with assholes, knows how to run a small business, etc.

    Maybe part of the problem is that some former sex workers try to hide it, like it is a shameful thing... then, when the employer learns about 'her secret past', it is a surprise to them, and they assume the worst - prostitution, drug addiction, alcoholism, licentiousness/promiscuity, self-esteem issues, drama, etc... There is also the concern that, if the men at the workplace learn about her stripper past, they will act stupid and inappropriate - like asking for a strip tease or lap dance in the workplace - and this could lead to sexual harassment issues. Women who learn about a co-worker's stripper past could also have a negative reaction - we all know women can be real harsh to each other. (I am NOT saying these are valid reason to not hire a former dancer, I am just saying employers try to avoid office drama and potential sexual harassment issues.)

    Perhaps, former strippers should raise this issue early on, as if they are proud of it - "I was self-employed as an exotic dancer. I contracted with several gentleman's club to provide entertainment. It was a great business experience and I learned a lot about running a small business, like: sales, client retention, business networking, city licensing and regulations, bookkeeping, taxes, etc.... I also learned how to deal with unreasonable client expectations, and, I learned to push back aggressive assholes." If a woman said this to me in an interview, I would definitely hire her. On the other hand, if she behaved like her stripper past was a 'big dark shameful secret', I might be concerned about self-esteem and drama issues.
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    I don't think I've ever heard of anyone using strippers and escorts whose services they've used as references, after all they not the guys employer.

    I most of the discrimination seems to come from the public sector, especially education. Its dumb and antidiscrimination leglisation should be past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegaphallic View Post
    I don't think I've ever heard of anyone using strippers and escorts whose services they've used as references, after all they not the guys employer.

    I most of the discrimination seems to come from the public sector, especially education. Its dumb and antidiscrimination leglisation should be past.
    When it is discovered by a prospective employer, it is usually found in a credit report. There was a pretty long discussion about this in another thread.

    Unfortunately there are a number of private industries in which it is still common to use morality based judgments, including financial services and pretty much anything to do with kids. I agree that it sucks, but it's the world that we live in.

    Since we probably shouldn't expect entertainer friendly legislation anytime soon, IMHO the best that one can do is bury it deep by keeping it off of any credit card, loan and bank account applications and, if possible, avoiding online facial exposure. For those who have higher risks of exposure, such as those girls who cam or do porn, targeting less sensitive vanilla industries probably also makes sense as facial recoginition software is, sadly, getting better every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    There is a LOT of hypocrisy in the bolded parts of your post.

    First, if it's truly no one else's business what a particular employee previously did for work … how exactly does that tie into it being 'a business decision bc our customers might disapprove'?
    I meant that it is nobody else's business in the sense that it is nobody else's decision. As in, it's a free country. Likewise, the employer is free to decide who he employs, for whatever reason he decides.

    How would those prospective customers find out that an employee previously worked as a stripper or escort?
    Well, it's just the kind of thing that does get out, isn't it? Use your imagination.

    I would think a business would lose more revenue if they earned a reputation for spreading workers' private business around, since if they are doing it to their employees, what's to keep them from doing it to their customers?
    The business would not spread word about it. The business would want it kept quiet, for the same reason they fire the employee: They don't want to be publicly associated with sex work.

    Why would a business spread anything about their customers?

    Then there is the HUGE difference between having a stripclub history as a dancer vs as a customer.
    Not from the standpoint of morality.

    The people skills we cultivate over yrs of dancing, for one thing, can be realistically transferred to a straight job. Sales skills, ability to engage customers, handling $$$ efficiently, etc. Thus, a dancer's ITC experience could actually conceivably have a place on a resumé or in a job interview.
    I'm not advocating former sex-workers be fired, I'm merely saying that businesses may reasonably judge employment of former sex workers to discourage customers. It's nothing to do with how good the employee is at his or her job.

    A school principal of long standing was recently fired for being caught watching porn on his PC in his own office. It didn't hurt anybody, he wasn't a bad principal, it was merely to do with appearances.

    A male candidate trying to tout his 'ability to work well & please' based on 'all the satisfied escorts & strippers I've paid for entertainment' is, frankly, laughable.
    Don't mention it then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    This is, unfortunately, true. Any country that has 'In God We Trust" printed on its money is not going to be very sex friendly, worker or otherwise. We do have, as a nation, a collective stick up our asses.

    What business does a government have telling anyone they can't sell something they are allowed to legally give away for free?

    The other issue is that keeping certainly things illegal, and thus constantly under negative public scrutiny, makes some people an awful lot of money. How much would organized crime, crooked pols, fire and brimstone preachers, etc, make if sex work suddenly was legal?
    Look up the Naked Anthropologist and you'll find out all about the rescue industry, which rakes in millions if not billions of dollars based on "saving" sex workers from they're own automy.

    The truth is they're punishing these women for daring to violate the pussy econony, they're giving men options, which makes men harder to control. Its ironic that these women through they're own battle for emcapation and freedom, they also help create those very things for men as well.

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    "Sex workers are adults who receive money or goods in exchange
    for sexual services, either regularly or occasionally.1 A sex worker
    can be male, female, or transgender. In most countries, sex work
    and activities associated with it are criminal acts."

    You know..when you read it, it doesn't seem half as bad as how others make it sound with insults and isolation.

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