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    I had a question and it was resolved, thank you
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    Default Re: Is it illegal to portray incest?

    Brother and sister... Incest. Step, it's a grey area since their is no relation by blood. Email the site you're working on to see what they say. Or read the rules...





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    Default Re: Is it illegal to portray incest?

    http://lawjournal.mcgill.ca/userfile...97-mohoney.pdf

    In Canada, yes. Pornsites have to abide by any obscenity law they want to broadcast in. Some sites I do believe allow it. If portraying incest was illegal, George RR Martin would of been thrown in jail.

    If it isn't illegal where you live, but if it isn't allowed on your site you work on, don't do. Is risking your income worth it?



    All four of the sites I listed have incest against site rules
    SM: http://streamatehelp.com/performer-c...duct/?access=1

    MFC: http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Rules_for_Models

    CB: https://chaturbate.com/terms/

    LJ: http://performercenter.livejasmin.co...ment_rules.php


    C4S, it is allowed: http://clips4sale.com/list/en/page/openastudio





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    Default Re: Is it illegal to portray incest?

    Thank you, that was incredibly helpful. I didn't do it, and I normally never would, I just get the request a lot and was wondering about the legality of it and whether I should report/block them legally.

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    I wish to add something too, some time ago i had an argument with another member here regarding incest & what it means when a site says "NO incest allowed", i was told by the member here that is ok to roleplay it as long as no blood siblings are involved & my question was "how do u go about it in a roleplay scenario, how u can make the difference between blood or no blood siblings when u act as a sole performer?"

    For me it makes no sense & i stated, same like i do now, that by the word INCEST cam sites mean & forbid the actual physical act on camera (relatives having sex on cam & telling the audience they blood relatives) AND ROLEPLAYING THE FANTASY of having sex with a family member no matter if blood or not.

    Now, english language is simpler than my native language & out of curiosity i looked up the sites listed above to see if they display the info in my native language as well which some of them do. They explain very clear what they forbid about incest, anything & everything u might play or roleplay regarding family members, blood or not.

    Now, is not a matter of me being right with what i said some time ago or what i state again today, is a matter of having the correct information so we dont get in trouble with the sites we work on, sure there are people who take the risk & rolaplay these scenarios, i have no problem with that, if they caught, their problem but i wish people to be mindful when they post such information for others to read cause if the info is not valid then the cam models who get the wrong info could get in trouble, best is to verify the info before posting about it like Audri just did, in fact she linked people to the specific area of that sites where cam models can see/read with their own eyes the rules written 'black on white'. Ty!

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    Also if it is a grey area and you're not sure how the site interpret their rules, email them. Ask them. They will tell you yes or no.


    For example when ladies were selling their panties on SM. I wasn't sure if that was allowed since the all "no contact info swapping rule" and I wanted to double check before I did the same. So I asked. I didn't name names, because I don't throw ladies under the bus, not my cup of tea. They emailed back with a definite no.





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    I do incest roleplay on SM. Last time I checked the manual, it said incest was against the rules, although it's phrased ambiguously. Like do they mean actual flesh and blood incest, where two sisters or something sign up for SM separately and then uh, do a show together? Or do they mean any mention of it is against the rules?

    So far I haven't had any troubles with it. I know CMD explicitly explains that all taboo roleplay is okay to advertise, so long as it's clear it's fantasy only.
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    SM requires that performers do not PORTRAY a whole range of things including incest. Taboo roleplays are not allowed on SM. I got in trouble once for referring to 'daddy' even though that was the guy's username!
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    Somebody call the WAHHHHmbulance.

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    ^^^ Funny how the guys (members) can pick any name they want but we are punished for calling them on their name eh?!!??

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    Quote Originally Posted by SaraLaughs View Post
    I do incest roleplay on SM. Last time I checked the manual, it said incest was against the rules, although it's phrased ambiguously. Like do they mean actual flesh and blood incest, where two sisters or something sign up for SM separately and then uh, do a show together? Or do they mean any mention of it is against the rules?

    So far I haven't had any troubles with it. I know CMD explicitly explains that all taboo roleplay is okay to advertise, so long as it's clear it's fantasy only.

    I think incest means, no incest period. Like portraying. But you should email support and double check. Wouldn't want to lose your account.

    But I think it's pretty clear
    Performer shall not portray depictions of sex involving any person under the age of eighteen (1 years of age, rape, incest, bestiality, fisting, necrophilia, any form of minor activity, urination and/or defecation. Animals should not appear on camera at any time.

    It basically says you cannot portray or do any of things listed above.





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    ^^^ Exactly what i explained before & now, the way they put it might sound ambiguous for some people but what they mean actually is
    "Performer shall not portray depictions of sex involving any person under the age of eighteen" then
    "Performer shall not portray rape"...
    "shall not portray incest"...
    "shall not portray bestiality"
    & so on, the fact they dont repeat every time the 'shall not portray' phrase for each forbidden thing DO NOT MEAN we need to take the word 'incest' from context & believe 'only actual physical incest is forbidden' or 'only real sex with a minor on camera if forbidden';
    what we need to do is read the full paragraph from Letter one to the end where they actually say "Performers shall not portray depictions of x, y, z, these words are 'attached' to all the terms mentioned in the list.
    I understood the true meaning even i am not native in english

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    It is illegal according to the credit card companies as in the cam site can lose their billing to due incest roleplay. It all can be recorded & used against you in a court of LAW if against the law where you reside.

    Now, to me, it is common sense to never record or be recorded breaking the rules of a cam site or the LAW in any case. No matter what money you may make from it now, won't cover the cost of a lawyer, court fees & fines if illegal where you reside.

    Other's do it & don't get caught defense will NOT hold up in a court of law or with your cam site provider. Ask yourself is it worth it to make $5 to $100 now & then be fired & not able to work on that cam site for a lifetime? How much would that cost you in the long run.

    Yes, other girls sell panties, but still against the FEDERAL laws on the U.S. as in $1000 fine & one year in jail for each pair. Yes, girls have been caught & prosecuted. Now, gov will let you do it for years & then come after you.

    Best to obey the cam site rules and the laws. Cam sites hire expensive lawyers who helped them write out those TOS, figured they have very good reason for them. Plenty of money to make without bending or breaking them. If you still want to go around them, then please become an independent so that only you lose the job instead of the site getting taken down.

    How do you know it isn't the gov setting you up? Camming is all recorded & on the world wide web, think about bending or breaking the tos or law before doing it.

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    I work on a UK PSO company--grey area is just that. Your best judgement should be your guide. If it is illegal, I disconnect the call and let the supervisors advise me if I should not have disconnected the call.
    It was a bit confusing for a month as the company I am on got Irish callers and the whisper tells me to check age, DOB and the bill payer--until it is verified I do it every time.
    If I sound harsh with a caller--he isn't speaking clearly and I'm not getting his DOB--it isn't worth whatever money to take the call if I have doubts.
    Underage call the service, and we disconnect and tell the supervisor so they can block the call.
    I don't like having to check when we have new callers-I do it regardless.
    The terms of service are provided, use your best judgement--what is a private worth for a cam model? I do that with calls-what is this worth? The supervisors can comment later to me--it's fine I keep it within the bounds of the information I am given.
    In the UK it is illegal--I work on some independent dispatches in the US and some are no taboo--I take calls I am comfortable with--there are other ops on those service who can fulfill the fantasy if I cannot.
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    I have no clue why we actually need to see if this is illegal or not.
    Incest, no matter is with blood siblings or not, is not natural the normal/ civilised world. Is something sick and I have no clue why would someone want to have sex or even fatasize about someone in his/ her family when in this world there are billions of men or women single and available. Ok, we are an 2015 open-minded world. But not THAT open minded. We are not in 1500's to blame the homosexuality , for example. We all know this IS normal. But not incest.Period.
    Incest/ pedophilia/ zoophilia and other things called "taboo", shouldn't make us wonder if is legal or not to practice it online, even as fantasy.
    I say no from the beggining, no matter is legal or not. Because I do not support this type of activity no matter how much they pay me.Those are crimes in the real life.
    For someone can be fun to do this, but there are people in this world who have actually been trough this, maybe been forced or even raped to do this. I express my solidarity with this people by NOT encouraging this activity.
    Ok I am aware I won't stop this phenomenon and I am just a drop in the sea, but at least I am proud I don't contribute and feed those sickos minds.
    In the monet they see a woman over the internet agrees with this type of roleplay/ play, that makes him/her think is normal and ok to do it in real life and he/she might actually do it.

    There are much more other fetishes and fantasies to make money from.

    I know I am off topic with this, but I needed to express my thoughts. I hope I can change a few minds and make you girls understand that this is no fun and in real life is destroyng some people's lives. We don't want to be one of theese people so, at least, let's not support it.
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    ^^^ Money talks more often than consciousness unfortunately .........

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    Thats a pretty high moral horse your on there Cutie101.

    I don't personally engage in these types of shows, incest or rape or underage roleplay. For me rape and underage stuff is a bit triggery. And while I don't do these shows I would never tell another woman how to make her money or what personal limits she should have. Thats up to her.

    It is also just roleplay, and I do believe that people having a healthier outlet for these fantasies is better than committing these acts in person. Our entire jobs are fantasy fulfillment, and for every guy I choose not to fulfill that fantasy with I fulfill others, like domination, degredation and all kinds of other fun which someone else might judge me for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Femmestudent View Post
    Thats a pretty high moral horse your on there Cutie101.

    I don't personally engage in these types of shows, incest or rape or underage roleplay. For me rape and underage stuff is a bit triggery. And while I don't do these shows I would never tell another woman how to make her money or what personal limits she should have. Thats up to her.

    It is also just roleplay, and I do believe that people having a healthier outlet for these fantasies is better than committing these acts in person. Our entire jobs are fantasy fulfillment, and for every guy I choose not to fulfill that fantasy with I fulfill others, like domination, degredation and all kinds of other fun which someone else might judge me for.
    Actually I am not that pretty high moral , I am a damn woman who shows her pussy on webcam, lol. 90% of the sites do not find incest roleplay as being legal. So I am not a pious weirdo camgirl at all.
    I am not judging anyone, I just reccomend and try to make other camgirls understand that this is something we don't want in our real lives to happen and there are also people in this world who are vitcims and do suffer from real because forced incest relationships.At least for solidarity. We must make members understand that this is a NO. No matter is virtual.

    In the rest, is everybody's job about what they are doing in front of webcam. Every woman has her own hustle and I won't judge that.

    My only problem is this type of activity. That's it.
    And I also repeat that every other type of fantasy is free to be made money from. There are thousands of fantasies. I do domination too, roleplays of all kind, normal stuff that I would do in my real life too, in general.
    And I still make pretty good money. I don't think I'd get rich if I start accepting incestuous fantasizing members .
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    The Grey area is where I rely on my best judgment. I worked very briefly for a company that used the nite flirt platform as an op
    I was nervous and wanted to do well
    Incest is not allowed a caller kept wanting me to repeat "Tell daddy you want him to f**know your ass"
    I would not say it he got mad and gave me a bad review
    My manager was not a lot of help she basically told me to use my best judgement it is just a word and sometimes used sexually
    I was fired for not having great hold times after a month
    I set up my own profile after that
    It can be ambiguous I am a worry wart sometimes
    I prefer working on independent platforms I need more $$ I do some dispatch as well
    I go with what I am comfortable with and of course the rules of the service
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    if my act would help avoid in real life for girls/boys not go true perverted fantasies of sick people, than i would call someone daddy/ bro. But i think all those acts actually may stimulate even more those pervs. Im not that kind of person who whould turn herself into a pretzel just to amuse people.

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    Regardless, I understand it is a fetish and there are people who play responsibly. But if the site says no, don't fucking do it. Simple. If you want to do those kind of shows, then work on sites that allow them. There are sites out there that do allow portraying incest. If you aren't sure, email the site. Ask them. Why would you want to risk your income for $10-$30?



    Why is this so fucking hard? Follow the god damn rules.





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    [QUOTE=audritwo;2783750]Regardless, I understand it is a fetish and there are people who play responsibly. But if the site says no, don't fucking do it. Simple. If you want to do those kind of shows, then work on sites that allow them. There are sites out there that do allow portraying incest. If you aren't sure, email the site. Ask them. Why would you want to risk your income for $10-$30?


    yes how I feel ditto--I haven't cammed for almost 6 months--some sites didn't have explicit rules--I tried my best to stay within the guidelines--I banned custies no problemo
    To each his own--I'm a worry wart anyway--don't like to stress on things---banhammer I hit the banhammer
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    I find it completely gross. Major turn off. As it should be, incest is wrong because genetically if a child results they get double all the bad genes. There are certain disease with each race if two people with that same exact gene causes major physical problems. Genetically we shouldn't want to pass those down. Like sickle cell anema & such.

    Wanting role play with incest in any way to pedophile to me too. Turns me off when a guy calls me "mommy" I block immediately. I want to puke when I read that when camming.

    Just because they role play with you on cam, doesn't keep them from doing it with people in real life. You don't have that kind of power to prevent crimes against the law or nature. Don't call girls out & call them moralistic just because you are okay with it. Making us feel bad about having boundaries we will never overstep cause you will is WRONG! There are some things that are just right & wrong. Sex or even fantasy of sex with a family member is wrong, I don' care if it is against tos or the law. Just like sex with animals is just WRONG! Tell me, I'm being moralistic about that too, if you want.

    There are many fantasies out there, thousands that we can play on cam without pretending to be their relative. Point their imaginations into a better safer one to play.

    Yes, it is popular in porn & on cam right now. I don't care.

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    Actually I argued the opposite point here Sam38g.


    This is what I said:

    I don't personally engage in these types of shows, incest or rape or underage roleplay. For me rape and underage stuff is a bit triggery. And while I don't do these shows I would never tell another woman how to make her money or what personal limits she should have. Thats up to her. (end quote)

    My point is that everyone should have THEIR limits and that is a good thing, we 100000% agree there. My problem is telling other camgirls what THEIR own personal limits should be, on either end. I have my limits and that is great and some girls limits will be much less than mine and some will be much more extreme, but that is her choice. Stronger or weaker. Limits are set by the girl (and the sites rules, I agree with Audritwo here) and are up to her, that is my opinion though.

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