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    Default Sandra Bland..what do you think?

    Has anyone been following this case? She was from an area in my state, was down in TX for a job interview/offer, got pulled over for a routine traffic stop, ended up in jail for 3 days, & is now dead?

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    Default Re: Sandra Bland..what do you think?

    I'm betting on foul play. "Someone" got nervous she was gonna go on a mission to ruin a career or two...and ensured her silence.

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    Eesh. I watched the dashcam video and have read some reports on the situation. I think she definitely had an unwise attitude speaking to the officer in the dashcam video, but I think the officer was way too quick to threaten violence ('I'm going to light you up!"). To me, in the dashcam video, she just seems pissed off. I don't know how common it is in other states, but in Texas, it is VERY common for officers, from local PD to state troopers, to drive like dicks, especially with tailing people. They'll even tail you to get you to speed up, then pull you over and cite you for speeding. So I get where she's coming from being pissed, but I think it was dumb as hell to act like she did. It's also not wise to insist something's illegal when it's not--if an officer tells you to get out of your vehicle, you do have to comply. So while his use of force to get her out may have been "warranted" according to the letter of the law, I think it escalated because he did not know how to handle the situation in a better way. I mean, let's look at another type of public servant. If a teacher flew off the handle and threatened to beat the shit out of any student who cussed her out or had an attitude, we would not accept that. We wouldn't accept if that teacher called the legal adult in charge of the student and cussed out or threatened that adult either. But we allow officers to threaten violence, cuss out citizens, and use force with no peers around to keep them honest (whoops--dashcam didn't catch it!) because... why? Because they have to deal a lot of on-the-job threats to their safety? One of my friends who was a teacher got hit with a chair by her autistic student multiple times! He gave her a concussion. That doesn't give her an excuse to threaten to "light up" the next kid who pisses her off.

    Idk. Ultimately, I don't think any of us can make an educated call on whether she committed suicide or not. I am hoping the independent autopsy will give the family--and everyone watching this story--the answers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuesdaymarie View Post
    So I get where she's coming from being pissed, but I think it was dumb as hell to act like she did.
    I'm not trying to criticize you for saying this, because in a way I totally agree, but I also think it's incredibly scary and effed up that armed cops need to be treated with kid gloves by unarmed citizens lest they get arrested over not using their blinker and then be found dead. Like ... what? How do you even get from that Point A to that Point B?

    I'm terrified of what cops are capable of. It's ridiculous and shameful.

    My heart goes out to her family.


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    ^Yeah, I completely agree. That was kind of my point with the teacher comparison, though it was a little rambly. It's fucked up that people feel like they have to walk on eggshells with police officers when we don't allow this shit with anyone else. They should be more capable than anyone of handling attitude since they're armed public servants, IMO. My point with the remark about her acting dumb was that in today's climate, I just don't get people who poke the bear. You're totally right in the fact that there shouldn't have been a "bear" on the force to begin with though.

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    Something is fishy about the whole thing and I personally definitely think there was foul play involved. My tinfoil hat is firmly in place.

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    First of all, I agree w/Tue. about the fact some police 'lead' (or what/ev the term) ppl to speed..by tailgaiting or wht/ev means, & that's totally wrong..I also feel like they profile/antagonize ppl, I speak from experience here, though I'm white, & was stopped by a white officer, he made many uncalled for remarks to me & my passenger right off that bat, insinuating that we were druggies/dealers, etc. I feel that they try to 'pull' an arrest out of a simple traffic stop if they can, to get more $, make their dept. look better, or wht/ev.
    She did get a little out of line w/the cop verbally, but he way overstepped his bounds, IMO. He should've called & had a female officer (which he eventually did, but a little too late) NOT dragged her out of the car like that.
    &, really, incarcerating her for that??? &, if she told them she was suicidal, which she did, they should've been a close watch on her.
    Should've NEVER happened.
    Now they're saying it's definitely a suicide..there's more/new footage, which I'm gonna watch now


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    I'm not a detective but something is definitely fishy. I went to high school with some of the most entitled brats and nothing ever happened to them when they yelled at cops like that for stopping them for underage DUI! In any case, her race definitely had something to do with it...

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    Default Re: Sandra Bland..what do you think?

    Like most of you guys, I am betting on foul play and that something happen to her I hope her family gets someone to investigate her death independently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaninchen View Post
    I'm not trying to criticize you for saying this, because in a way I totally agree, but I also think it's incredibly scary and effed up that armed cops need to be treated with kid gloves by unarmed citizens lest they get arrested over not using their blinker and then be found dead. Like ... what? How do you even get from that Point A to that Point B?

    I'm terrified of what cops are capable of. It's ridiculous and shameful.

    My heart goes out to her family.
    Welcome to the world of the Third World citizen...they often won't go to the cops at all b/c they fear a corrupt cop more than the illegal violation they have suffered....


    The more I think on it, the more I think of how Texas has been called out for racism in the past few decades. There's a reason people in my home state like to make jokes about Texas. No place is ideally like heaven in this world....but.....in TX it is pretty likely the wrong-minded type of person could end up with a badge and gun. Stranger things have happened in the South and South Western part of America.

    Just saying. This whole story is super fishy.....

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    What is fishy?

    The arrest was problematic and shouldn't have happened.

    The death has pretty much been proven to be a suicide, and the police and jailers ,other than the arresting officer, don't seem guilty of anything.

    It's sad and wrong that a young woman committed suicide, but it doesn't seem fishy.

    The family wanted answers, and I think they have gotten them. She was arrested in questionable circumstances and she committed suicide while jailed.

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    ^I think it is being characterized as "fishy" because there was a lapse in protocol (inmate wasn't checked on for nearly two hours; minimum standard is once every 60 minutes), there are discrepancies (in some documents, there is evidence that Bland said she was depressed and had contemplated suicide; others state the opposite), the officer got pretty rough about a basic traffic stop, and this happened to a black woman in a state with a lot of known racial tension. Reading the autopsy findings suggest to me that she did indeed commit suicide, but I can understand why people would doubt it with only the first few rounds of stories/video.

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    Ok, here's an updated vid. w/2 former police officers http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/07...lead-panel.cnn


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    I wonder when are the autopsy results are done...

    That dashcam was def edited. I saw this on the news. You see the towtruck driver coming out of his truck twice in a row. That's weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    I wonder when are the autopsy results are done...

    That dashcam was def edited. I saw this on the news. You see the towtruck driver coming out of his truck twice in a row. That's weird.
    The autopsy results were in yesterday, saying it was definitely suicide also the cell mate ajacent to her said she heard no signs of a struggle, which, as was pointed out by the attorney, one c/b choked out quietly..& they said there were 'glitches' w/the cam


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    Quote Originally Posted by 423texas View Post
    What is fishy?
    Mainly that the video looks like it has been edited.
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    They could of handcuffed her and hung her. I don't believe it for one second. I think this poor woman was murdered. I find it strange that she kills herself after her bail was paid. Footage looks edited, and someone who edits videos, I can tell loops.





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    there was absolutely foul play in her arrest and a lot of things i've read just aren't adding up. the deep tissue bruising ( i dont believe for a second that autopsy "report" that said there was no evidence of a struggle) what was a plastic bag doing in her cell with her? how would she hang herself at over 6ft tall from something 5 ft something? idk. i really don't know, and if anybody has any good explanation i stand corrected but there's something absolutely fishy going on.

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    My thoughts too was if she hung herself with a garbage bag....How the heck would a garbage bag sustain the weight of an average adult human? A sheet would be more likely object to hang oneself with rather than a flexible garbage bag thats likely to tear or break under heavy pressure. And if the garbage bag could support that much weight, then Thats dumb as f*ck to keep garbage bags in those cells if mentally ill people could kill themselves with those objects.

    But even if she did hang herself with a garbage bag, don't most jails have cameras in their holding cells? Why didn't the cameras catch this alleged suicide on tape?

    It's so sad that had to escalate to the point of someone dying for no reason. This is very unfortunate. Seriously. I think them roughing her up during the arrest did her in. Remember the dude that died after he was roughed up during the arrest, told cops he couldn't feel his legs, turned out they broke his neck and he died later. http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/l...so-much-anger/

    Why didn't she get evaluated by a medical professional when she got to the jail????

    I am glad they are looking at this like a murder. The police there have every motive for a cover up. If police f*ck up and fail to follow protocol and someone dies, then they have a major lawsuit on their hands....just sayin.
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    There were no cameras in the cells..& yes, she should have seen a Dr.upon arrival. Lots of wrong here. & also, @ 1 point she was saying she couldn't feel her arms, there was bruising on her back from having a knee pressed there, they pushed her head into the ground


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    This is a horrible, unnecessary tragedy. There is nothing she did that warranted her spending a few days in jail. At the most, she should have been booked and released. If anyone broke the law, it was the police officer, for using excessive force.

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    I don't for one second think she killed herself. Every bit of evidence they release has been fishy. From the dash cam to the mug shot to the autopsy. Somehow the video was glitched and they have to redo the autopsy, oh isn't that convenient. Now they're saying she smoked weed in the cell. Really how? The more they talk the more its clear that they're covering what really happened up. Can't forget to mention that another suicide case happened at the same jail.

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    ^I thought the family has asked for a second independent autopsy--not a redo? And having evidence of marijuana in your system is not the same as having smoked right before death. Evidence of marijuana can stay in the system for a while.

    I'm the first to admit a lot of people here are diehard racists. I definitely expected the worst when I heard the highlights of this case and think the arrest could have been completely avoided with better officer training, but that doesn't mean that it was homicide and was covered up. We aren't detectives and haven't seen the evidence firsthand. I can think of at least a few narratives that would explain the circumstances either way. Like an above poster said, officers concerned she might cause trouble for them could have cuffed her then asphyxiated her and made it look like a suicide. Alternatively, maybe a woman with a history of depression and a passion for the Black Lives Matter movement was out of work, missed an interview she was excited about, was facing a felony charge in a state far from home, and decided to kill herself knowing that it would bring attention to what the officer did during her arrest. It's fucking crazy that we have to question whether an officer would kill an inmate at all, but that doesn't mean that we should just insist our gut instincts trump evidence and reasonable doubt.

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    ^I thought the family has asked for a second independent autopsy--not a redo? And having evidence of marijuana in your system is not the same as having smoked right before death. Evidence of marijuana can stay in the system for a while.
    The family did ask for a second autopsy but that's not what I was talking about. Waller County didn't do a full autopsy. "Sandra Bland’s sister, Sharon Cooper, and her attorney reveal they got a text message from Waller County, TX D.A. that suggests further examination of Bland’s body may be needed." The video can be found here http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/w...e-489882179661 of her sister and the attorney talking about it, starts at 7:24.

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    I'm the first to admit a lot of people here are diehard racists. I definitely expected the worst when I heard the highlights of this case and think the arrest could have been completely avoided with better officer training, but that doesn't mean that it was homicide and was covered up. We aren't detectives and haven't seen the evidence firsthand. I can think of at least a few narratives that would explain the circumstances either way. Like an above poster said, officers concerned she might cause trouble for them could have cuffed her then asphyxiated her and made it look like a suicide. Alternatively, maybe a woman with a history of depression and a passion for the Black Lives Matter movement was out of work, missed an interview she was excited about, was facing a felony charge in a state far from home, and decided to kill herself knowing that it would bring attention to what the officer did during her arrest. It's fucking crazy that we have to question whether an officer would kill an inmate at all, but that doesn't mean that we should just insist our gut instincts trump evidence and reasonable doubt.
    Honestly I don't think one needs to be a detective to see that there's something not right; about this case, the claim of suicide, and the evidence that has been presented to the public. I don't think someone who was an activate for Black Lives Matter would hang themselves especially in Texas. Also she sounded pretty calm on the phone and posted bail.

    Yes I do think we should insist on our instincts when; #1 the evidence has seemed fishy from the start, #2 the current climate and occurrence of police incidents, #3 the racial history of this country. This isn't the first and won't be the last time a black person has been placed in jail and was said to have committed suicide, there is a history of this. Just in the last few years there's been quite of few cases similar to Sandra's, so its really hard for me to just take the word and "evidence" of the police and not question things.
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    ^Oh, wow. I hadn't read the defective bit. What even constitutes a "defective" autopsy..?

    I just think there's a danger in declaring that there's obvious foul play when there are conceivable narratives as to why she would commit suicide, and the only released autopsy results suggest she did. I honestly do think it would make a sort of sad sense for someone with a history of PTSD and depression to sound fine one day and commit suicide a short time later. So many people have a similar story about suicides not making any sense. I don't know how active she was in the BLM movement, but she was making statements that suggest, to me, that she wanted her story to get out. (Referring to the things she said to the person recording her arrest.) I don't want to come off like I'm saying she committed suicide for attention, but when you care about something deeply and hit a very low spot emotionally and circumstantially, it's possible dying for your cause could seem more appealing than living. People have done crazier things for their beliefs, and she sure as hell was in a bad situation. I can imagine people with no cause close to their hearts might consider suicide preferable to a felony far from home.

    I guess I also don't get why the officers would have murdered her? I just don't see how it logically benefits them. If she had lived, we might have seen the videos of her arrest. But I don't think those videos would've blown up the way they have since her death. The officers definitely knew they were recorded arresting her, as they spoke to the witnesses. At that point, maybe one of them would have gotten an administrative timeout. Why would other officers commit murder--or help cover it up--for one other officer who didn't even have that much to lose if Bland lived? That's like spending a million dollars to save five. I'd totally believe racists in the deep south would do this for the hell of it decades before current technology and our current climate with police officers, brutality and racism, but it seems like a really shitty master plan to hush the situation up.

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