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    Dear Liz
    I'm writing to ask you have you notice that even with the 20% Bonus that most of your top models have not even worked for the Bonus Period. Have you notice that they have been working less hours or no hours at all on the site? I asked myself where did they go? And where did the traffic GO? Upon searching I have discover that they Left the site for higher paying % sites or are now working Indy. We all want to make money and more money at that! So I am writing to ask you and the powers to be to consider giving your models a 5% raise. We have been there with you through good times as well as bad times. We want to continue to be there with you. But with all the glitches and the low traffic we both have lost money. But instead of leaving we stood by you so I ask Again . Please give us a 5% raise.
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    The raise would be lovely, so I'll co-sign that.

    Fixing the site and significantly more transparency in regards to issues would be even better. Models have repeatedly requested a phone number or 24/7 live chat support for dealing with issues--the same as customers have. If that's too much of a cost (and hey, staffing is pricey, so I get that), then at the very least having a tab added to our dashboard where you make announcements regarding known/reported issues, outages (as with the confidential phone service), or other problems that is actually utilized regularly would be nice.

    I'd also love the ability to rate our model support staff--you know, the way people review their bank customer service? Yeah--because they suck. They are rude, dismissive, and don't even read our fucking emails.

    So, in order of importance:
    1) Fix the site, because
    * traffic is leaving
    * models are leaving
    * you're losing money <-- LOOK AT THAT BOTTOM LINE, literally!
    2) Give models a decent support team and a way to receive notices of issues, as well as rate our support team member, because
    * we're contractors, not employees, and we deserve some fucking respect or we'll leave (see #1b)
    * you need to know what's going on with your actual payroll employees
    3) That pay raise sounds good, because
    * duh, pay raise for dealing with bullshit, even if it's only granted after a certain time with the site or on a sliding scale

    [I like the idea of an open letter to Liz]



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    I would love this, but how on earth would they be able to afford those catered lunches?





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    Bump. I'll third this. Would make a lot of disgruntled models happier. Happier models = more hours = more money for everyone!

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    I love Liz, because she was always there for me, as streamate model, to do all she could to help me .
    But I am sure Liz is not the entire Streamate support. She is the representant of it.

    I am here also, to take advantage she is here and I would like to shout out my biggest pain : the DISCRIMINATORY share for European models. I am European and I get on streamate 30% instead of 35%. I find this not fair. I am under a streamate studio, that takes me 3% (it doesn't bother me..at 100$ I lose, 3$ but I get my money next week,right away, not in 3 weeks) so at the end I work with a 27% cut.
    This is major pain for me, because I could lower a bit my rates , if the sharing was higher so members could stay more in private.
    Personally, I can't afford to leave my premium under 6,99/ minute. That means I take 1,88/min ,while the member pays 7$! He spends almost 100$ in 15 minutes. and I barely take 30$.
    And what do we actually take for this?
    I am so upset.


    I would really apreciate if you, Liz, would try to convince the superiors to give the european models 35% too.

    And also, a 5% raise would be awesome for us.
    Streamate is an amazing site. I don't want to leave it.

    Personally, if the site would give me 35% + 5% raise = 40% (37% for me, because of the studio cut), I could EASILY lower the rates to 5,99, because 5,99/min * 37% means 2,21/min. What means for me? Members stays longer in private for a lower price, and I get a little more as well!


    Of course, the ideal cut would be 50%, but I don't wanna push the limits from the first hahahahaha ))

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    Unfortunately they'll not give more money guys, no site ever increased pay percent but lowered it, Cutie, they will not give us more, i know for a fact why but wont type in here in open forum. Yes it is discrimination & we cant do anything about it, cam sites look for ways to pay lesser and lesser believe me, i know what other sites did, played dirty games, hit camgirls with massive chargebacks just to be able to 'guarantee a lower percent' or say "No more chargebacks" but u had to read the fine print to understand what it really means. Believe me SM is one of the sites who protect us against chargebacks & for this i am grateful, when working other sites i did long shows just to find out later on i am not going to be paid for my performance. I am not the one to kiss asses especially cam site asses lol but with this SM is doing a good job, i never worry about being paid or not for my shows. I just want them to fix the site & keep it there. Liz is awesome but it's not all on her, the tech. department has to work harder and better, they keep the site running. Bet they got new people or maybe they been on strike asking for better pay? Just fantasizing, i hope it's not the case.

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    Allow me to add to Cutie101's post: I'm from Mexico, I speak fluent/native level English, yet I'm only being paid 30%. That's COMPLETELY UNFAIR! I cannot see any justification for this behavior.

    I agree with all of the girls here. Streamate NEEDS to change. And I'm not the only one who thinks this

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    See chaturbate? That's where ALL of the traffic is going right now!

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    Streamate, you NEED to get your act together! ASAP!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KatM View Post
    Unfortunately they'll not give more money guys, no site ever increased pay percent but lowered it, Cutie, they will not give us more, i know for a fact why but wont type in here in open forum. Yes it is discrimination & we cant do anything about it, cam sites look for ways to pay lesser and lesser believe me, i know what other sites did, played dirty games, hit camgirls with massive chargebacks just to be able to 'guarantee a lower percent' or say "No more chargebacks" but u had to read the fine print to understand what it really means. Believe me SM is one of the sites who protect us against chargebacks & for this i am grateful, when working other sites i did long shows just to find out later on i am not going to be paid for my performance. I am not the one to kiss asses especially cam site asses lol but with this SM is doing a good job, i never worry about being paid or not for my shows. I just want them to fix the site & keep it there. Liz is awesome but it's not all on her, the tech. department has to work harder and better, they keep the site running. Bet they got new people or maybe they been on strike asking for better pay? Just fantasizing, i hope it's not the case.
    I don't doubt about what you say, but yet, as time as they can pay the US models 35%, can pay us too without problems.
    Regarding the chargeback, I am sure they already protect us very well against it and they protect themselves as site very well (because they couldn't admit to lose too much money, look at the low cuts for modes) by setting the daily spending limit for the members.
    But it's very discriminatory to give me less just for being from another country. It's not fairplay in 2015 on a site where racism is not tolerated, but you, as site, discriminate your own employee.

    I won't stop working on SM, but I am still unhappy about this...

    Regarding the 5% raise, I don't think it would be a problem for them. Let's say they have a $200.000 profit per month. If they give us 5% from it, it means, they actually lose, $10.000. It doesn't sound big to me. And that $10.000 can be covered by higher earnings because models could be tempted to work even more, so that means more money for them.
    It's an entire circle...
    Me, as an employer,If I was making a $200k profit, I would give to my employee a $10.000 raise if he/she would be motivated to work more and get more productive.
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    KatM! Yes sites to raise there % amount. When I first started camming I was on another Cam site and several months back I emailed them and ask if I came back would they give me 35% INSTEAD OF 29% AND GUESS WHAT THEY SAID YES!. ALL is POSSIBLE. ASK AND YOU SHALL RECEIVE "sometimes" lol But still ASK

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    Babes, i will co-sign any petition in regards to percent increase & more money given to us, i just know how these people think, their logic is not our logic, why do u think they get rich, by playing fair?! No but by being greedy & discriminatory. Racism is everywhere still, i feel it everyday on cam, i read what people post here when SM changed their placement structure, yea some people got angry cause we in EE got to show on 1st page for people in our area even these people cant even spend. That shows me how we are perceived, as not worth quality, some members do the same on cam, SM pays us less for the same reason plus some other reasons...
    Redcandy, guess u talk about cams.com with the 29%, yea, they gave 35% to u maybe cause u made them good money in the past & they wanted u back but for SM to give 5% more to everyone? Do u guys realize how much 5% mean in $$$, money they 'save' by paying all models from outside the western zone area less? I think western models are maybe at not more than 30% on SM & the rest is international who are paid 30%.
    When i think of SM i think of my country Government, when u live in this environment u understand things different LOL, in this case a strike could solve the problem but i dont think models will go for it cause nobody wanna risk their livelihood considering we dont have tools, a union, these cant be done on the internet, people will continue to log in & work especially if u the only bread winner in the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cutie101 View Post
    Me, as an employer,If I was making a $200k profit, I would give to my employee a $10.000 raise if he/she would be motivated to work more and get more productive.
    You see, here is the problem Cutie, we are not employees, it states everywhere in the contract we signed with them, we are Independent Contractors, means we have no rights sad lol. If u take this into consideration then u'll understand why cam sites 'afford' to pay us less or claim chargebacks. Can any of us actually be provided with proof of chargebacks? If i emailed them in anger for my lost money (Ifriends, ImLive, Jasmin) asking how come this & that member got a refund or chargeback they answered they cant discuss the matter cause of member confidentiality. Bullshit! How do i know they are not playing games & pretend it was a refund/CB situation just to keep the money for themselves? Since they cant prove otherwise i consider them guilty for fraud against us models. 20 to 25% of my past income on these 3 sites i mentioned were lost due to these ugly practices sites did and guess what? It was mostly non-western girls who got hit with most refunds/ CB's because again, we are far away & cant do anything about it. They count on it believe me. Not sure what an american girl can do in case she is not happy with a local camsite politics but i know for a fact i cant fly over there to USA to fight SM for example & ask for a higher percent.

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    Here's something to add!

    Give us CONVERTIBLE traffic!

    Don't trick people into thinking they are getting a free live sex show or meeting their potential wifey or a local girl DTF! Don't advertise on resources devoted to fetishes we aren't allowed to depict on your site. It's nothing but a waste of time, both for them and us. We have to explain the people what the site is actually about just to make them frustrated and mad at us for advertising our services in such a misleading way. After they realize they've been fooled, speding on us is the last thing they want to do.
    Really, I've been camming on SM since 2009 and I've never got to convert a single one of them.
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    yes agreed I am another model that has been affected. What are we supposed to do?
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    I actually DID LEAVE SM a few months back because i got tired of low traffic and all the glitches. Whats the point in staying when ppl cant stay connected in my room half the time and when they do they're just cheap ass holes or they wont even talk to you and leave when you try ? as karina and a few other ppl have posted theres other sites with more POLITE traffic and PAY MORE ie CB/MFC . I'm making in 4 hours on CB what it took me 9 hours to make on SM .

    The final straw that made me leave was being banned for a week for running video game hangout gold shows . I've seen top models do hang out shows and they dont get banned for a week for it. But because i wasnt plowing all my holes for a buck (and not popular enuf to get away with it i guess) guys complained because they dont read the show title get disappointed and leave and somehow thats my fault and i deserved to be banned for a week for it ? HELL NO. I emailed them back told them to close my account dont even worry about unbanning me Im done and that was that.

    It also kinda ties into something else that bugs me and a lot of other ppl. YOU PLAY FAVORITES . What you can get away with is based on how popular you are and how much money your making witch isn't far. It sends mixed signals to us and we dont know what we can and cant do really. Other models get away with shit that would be BANIBLE if they weren't bringing in probably thousands a day for the company . There are some models who base their hole camming persona and hustle around it (daughter/ dad is a good example )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy0Star View Post
    . YOU PLAY FAVORITES . What you can get away with it is based on how popular you are and how much money your making witch isn't far. It sends mixed signals to us and we dont know what we can and cant do really. Other models get away with shit that would be BANIBLE if they weren't bringing in probably thousands a day for the company . There are some models who base their hole camming persona and hustle around it (daughter/ dad is a good example )
    ...And then members come to us average models and ask as to do what the favorites are doing, and call us liars when told it's against the site rules. And we have nothing to say against it because everyone knows %modelname% does it. She wouldn't be doing it if the rules were enforced on her like on everyone else, but they aren't - and that's why, for the customers, she's a high-level professional and we are prudes and sad wannabes who'll never be as good as her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy0Star View Post
    I actually DID LEAVE SM a few months back because i got tired of low traffic and all the glitches. Whats the point in staying when ppl cant stay connected in my room half the time and when they do they're just cheap ass holes or they wont even talk to you and leave when you try ? as karina and a few other ppl have posted theres other sites with more POLITE traffic and PAY MORE ie CB/MFC . I'm making in 4 hours on CB what it took me 9 hours to make on SM .

    The final straw that made me leave was being banned for a week for running video game hangout gold shows . I've seen top models do hang out shows and they dont get in banned for a week for it. But because i wasnt plowing all my holes for a buck (and not popular enuf to get away with it i guess) guys complained because they dont read the show title get disappointed and leave and somehow thats my fault and i deserved to be banned for a week for it ? HELL NO. I emailed them back told them to close my account dont even worry about unbanning me Im done and that was that.

    It also kinda ties into something else that bugs me and a lot of other ppl. YOU PLAY FAVORITES . What you can get away with it is based on how popular you are and how much money your making witch isn't far. It sends mixed signals to us and we dont know what we can and cant do really. Other models get away with shit that would be BANIBLE if they weren't bringing in probably thousands a day for the company . There are some models who base their hole camming persona and hustle around it (daughter/ dad is a good example )
    Wow. That's some fucked up shit right there. I'm so sorry this happened to you!
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    Which other sites are you ladies jumping off to, if you don't mind me asking in this thread. When I started last year I heard that SM was the best for selling private shows, but I'd love to get higher cuts. Chaturbate and MFC don't work as well for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitty_frost View Post
    Which other sites are you ladies jumping off to, if you don't mind me asking in this thread. When I started last year I heard that SM was the best for selling private shows, but I'd love to get higher cuts. Chaturbate and MFC don't work as well for me.
    I'm wondering this too. And I would really like to know. Since Streamate, MFC and Chaturbate are top 3 sites. Which site is more like SM and less like Chaturbate and MFC? And has decent traffic, of course. I know that imLive is dead and so is LiveJasmin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SexyLittleThing View Post
    I'm wondering this too. And I would really like to know. Since Streamate, MFC and Chaturbate are top 3 sites. Which site is more like SM and less like Chaturbate and MFC? And has decent traffic, of course. I know that imLive is dead and so is LiveJasmin.
    There really isn't any other great private based sites. That's why most of us stick with Streamate even when things get super shitty. I would say Cams and AdultWork are up there for some ladies...although I never have much luck on either. I'd say going Indie and getting Skype shows are the next best thing...and that's not easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloDesire View Post
    There really isn't any other great private based sites. That's why most of us stick with Streamate even when things get super shitty. I would say Cams and AdultWork are up there for some ladies...although I never have much luck on either. I'd say going Indie and getting Skype shows are the next best thing...and that's not easy.
    Thank you so much. I've tried AW and I never figured it out. I just don't like that site and the vibe that gives me (I'm sure a lot of ladies do just fine there, don't get me wrong. It's just not for me). I don't think I've ever tried Cams, maybe I'll give it a go. But it's hard to go away from SM SM has been so good to me these past 3 years I've been on there and now it just sucks.

    As far as indie shows go - I'd give it a try, but there's no way to geo-block (that's really important to me) and you need to advertise, advertise and advertise. I know this sounds like I'm just making excuses for myself, but I'm really not... I'm just stuck with SM and the limbo SM has been in since January (for me, at least).

    Oh well, I guess I'll give Cams a go. Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SexyLittleThing View Post

    As far as indie shows go - I'd give it a try, but there's no way to geo-block (that's really important to me) and you need to advertise, advertise and advertise. I know this sounds like I'm just making excuses for myself, but I'm really not... I'm just stuck with SM and the limbo SM has been in since January (for me, at least).

    Oh well, I guess I'll give Cams a go. Thank you!
    You can geo block on the sites you use to advertise. CamModelDirectory has geoblock I know for sure. I would say it would be just as good as the protection you get on big box sites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloDesire View Post
    You can geo block on the sites you use to advertise. CamModelDirectory has geoblock I know for sure. I would say it would be just as good as the protection you get on big box sites.
    Only problem with that is that you can't block by individual states if you're from the US. You'd have to block the entire country.

    Is it alright if I gear everyone back towards the original topic the OP posted? We're starting to get a bit too much into 'what sites/compare/contrast?' land and I think this was meant to be a controlled airing of grievances thread. If Liz or Vanessa actually do read it, they may lose interest once they see that.

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    Anyhow--back on the topic of playing favorites:

    I popped by SM to do a feed check. #1 spot girl is doing a TV Gold Show count down. Cool, awesome, whatever--OH LOOK SHE'S SHOWING OFF HER PUSSY TO THE CHAT ROOM!

    Pick the rules and then stick to them. I realize that you can't monitor every room every second of the day, recorded footage or not, but full pussy action in free chat during a TV GS count down that a producer is supposed to be moderating? Seriously?! We can't play music or have brand logos out in the count down or during the show, but flagrantly violating the below-the-belt-nudity rule is fine. Cool, thanks for the clarification on that.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Issabelle View Post
    Anyhow--back on the topic of playing favorites:

    I popped by SM to do a feed check. #1 spot girl is doing a TV Gold Show count down. Cool, awesome, whatever--OH LOOK SHE'S SHOWING OFF HER PUSSY TO THE CHAT ROOM!

    Pick the rules and then stick to them. I realize that you can't monitor every room every second of the day, recorded footage or not, but full pussy action in free chat during a TV GS count down that a producer is supposed to be moderating? Seriously?! We can't play music or have brand logos out in the count down or during the show, but flagrantly violating the below-the-belt-nudity rule is fine. Cool, thanks for the clarification on that.
    I've seen someone piss in panties right there in a GS countdown. If I remember the Code of Conduct right, we aren't allowed do it in private shows say nothing of free chat.
    Remember all the pee fetish guys you've said "no" to?
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    On cam, you can be unwashed, stinky but with makeup. And guys probably think you smell like roses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Issabelle View Post
    Anyhow--back on the topic of playing favorites:

    I popped by SM to do a feed check. #1 spot girl is doing a TV Gold Show count down. Cool, awesome, whatever--OH LOOK SHE'S SHOWING OFF HER PUSSY TO THE CHAT ROOM!

    Pick the rules and then stick to them. I realize that you can't monitor every room every second of the day, recorded footage or not, but full pussy action in free chat during a TV GS count down that a producer is supposed to be moderating? Seriously?! We can't play music or have brand logos out in the count down or during the show, but flagrantly violating the below-the-belt-nudity rule is fine. Cool, thanks for the clarification on that.
    I once got a warning for showing pussy during a GS countdown and liz told me my account would be suspended if it happened again. For the record I dont even show tits so there is no way I was showing pussy! Thinking back there might have been a panty slip when bending over or something but the point of all this is I got that AFTER the gold show ended. Once I got suspended for 24 hours after a GS by the producer but again that happened AFTER the GS ended so it might be that she was suspended. You dont know.

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