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    We can say for a fact that models in the #1 and 2 spots, very top earners, can be suspended at a whim. Being that high up makes you a juicy target for rival models and skeezy studios, and Streamate does indeed suspend them just as easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepThoughts View Post
    I once got a warning for showing pussy during a GS countdown and liz told me my account would be suspended if it happened again. For the record I dont even show tits so there is no way I was showing pussy! Thinking back there might have been a panty slip when bending over or something but the point of all this is I got that AFTER the gold show ended. Once I got suspended for 24 hours after a GS by the producer but again that happened AFTER the GS ended so it might be that she was suspended. You dont know.
    I actually checked back in out of sheer curiosity an hour or two later and the full nudity/pussy out situation was still occurring in free chat. Personally, I know people who have gotten suspended and I've seen plenty who've continued streaming doing the same thing without issue. It is what it is and, as Katy put it, top models also get suspended for violations.

    My qualm is less that it happens and more the seemingly random enforcement from staff member to staff member, as in the case of what happened to you Deep. I follow the rules. I do well. I have nothing to worry about here and consider myself to be the only competition worth worrying about at work as I have no control over other rooms. That seems to be the general consensus talking to other models as well. The reason the random enforcement bothers me so much is that it makes expectations over what is and isn't allowed on cam unclear. There's a post over on ACF regarding which MFC rules are always enforced, sometimes enforced, and basically never enforced, because it's such a regular source of confusion that multiple models chimed in with their experiences. That just shouldn't be how it is on any site.

    Drawing a line in the sand is a great thing--but I personally prefer it be a clear line that doesn't move depending on the day, staff member, model, the chance of rain, etc., just as I'd prefer that model support for getting things done not be dependent on luck of the draw in terms of day, staff member, model, and the chance of rain.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Issabelle View Post
    The reason the random enforcement bothers me so much is that it makes expectations over what is and isn't allowed on cam unclear. There's a post over on ACF regarding which MFC rules are always enforced, sometimes enforced, and basically never enforced, because it's such a regular source of confusion that multiple models chimed in with their experiences. That just shouldn't be how it is on any site.

    Drawing a line in the sand is a great thing--but I personally prefer it be a clear line that doesn't move depending on the day, staff member, model, the chance of rain, etc., just as I'd prefer that model support for getting things done not be dependent on luck of the draw in terms of day, staff member, model, and the chance of rain.
    THis. Let people show whatever they want but I hate getting egg on my face on a daily basis for telling things that are counter-obvious to the members. The guys have no information about what is allowed except for what they see happening in models' rooms. So when I say there should be no below the belt nudity in free chat or doing a pee show will get me banned, I probably sound as if I were trying to make them believe Earth is flat or telling lies makes one's tongue hairy.
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    Liz, if you are reading these replies (and Vanessa) THANK YOU! You both always go above and beyond to help. Yes, certainly a raise would be amazing but we all know YOU'RE not personally in charge of giving one. Thanks again for all that you guys do at Model Inquiry.




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    Yeah I got my account suspended too and it wasn't even my fault. I got a member who asked me on twitter why my link is trough cammodels and not streamate. Actually he was a member who found me on another site and came on streamate from twitter.
    And I told him is an affiliate link and i get a huge bonus if i bring the member via that link.
    And poor guy, wanted to make me a surprise and signed up trough that link. The problem is, he was already member on sm and he deleted his account to make the new one for me. Without my knowdlege, ebcause he wanted to surprise me.
    He took me to private, i was happy (he didn't tell me he had an account before) and when i logged in the next day, the account was suspended 48 hours or 24..i don't remember.
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    I've only been suspended once for a mistake on support. I was camming with my ex, and who is a model on the site, and permission from Liz. My account was noted that she could cam with me, but they over looked it and slapped me with a 48 hour ban. It took them 8 hours to fix it because it was late at night. Liz apologized for the mistake and assured me it wouldn't happen again. Noted my account even more. After that when I would do producer shows with her, I had a few who would ask me if she's been verified, told them read the notes that Liz left on my account.

    Goes to show you how quick they are to suspend and not review accounts beforehand.

    That's why I follow every rule to a T. I do not slip up, because there is a giant target on my face. I never talk on cam about vicious cammodels trying to slam me, because basic bitches aren't my problem.





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    Andddd right now there is a girl in the top row advertising her twitter and her IG accounts in her topic. I would love to advertise my twitter, but I thought it was strictly prohibited?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plumwine View Post
    Andddd right now there is a girl in the top row advertising her twitter and her IG accounts in her topic. I would love to advertise my twitter, but I thought it was strictly prohibited?
    it is hence the topic discussion of playing favs for certain models
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    Quote Originally Posted by plumwine View Post
    Andddd right now there is a girl in the top row advertising her twitter and her IG accounts in her topic. I would love to advertise my twitter, but I thought it was strictly prohibited?
    Screenshot and send it to support asking if this now allowed.





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    I have been suspended twice. Dealt with fairly each time.

    Now, the non-U.S. based models getting less money isn't fair. But we can do our own marketing & get 40% more when the guy cams with us & 20% when he cams with other models, with no chargebacks. Never understood why models complain about the 35% but do nothing on their own to promote the cammodel link. If you are not having success with the cammodel link, then it might be your marketing skills.

    So many of you complain about where the traffic comes from with the dating sites, but fact is If we did our end with the marketing SM wouldn't need them. You are the solution to that problem.
    We are business partners with SM, yet most of you don't act that way. You want a bigger piece of the pie, then go get it..... Build up your social media following, market market market that cammodel link like crazy.

    SM, Liz/Vanessa have always dealt fairly, professionally with me. Glitches happen. Windows 10, all the new versions of flash lately have been a nightmare on my computer, those are NOT SM's fault.
    Why beg, petition for 5% or whatever when you can be making that 40/20%?

    I know many of you will be upset with me, so be it. If it is slow on cam, I log off. If it is a trending thing, I up my marketing. Always worked for me in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy0Star View Post
    it is hence the topic discussion of playing favs for certain models
    I know girl I was just being a bit sarcastic I hate to be like "omg I'm telling on you!" but the favoritism isn't fair.

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    Maybe I don't see the favoritism because I stay in my own room?




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    I only watch girls who make money & have great hustle. I don't look for those breaking the rules, cause I don't care. Nor am I tattle tale.

    The rule breakers aren't the ones keeping you from making money. Don't understand searching room to room looking for those breaking the rules. My hustle is so strong I don't have to break rules to make money. My ego is so big that don't worry about what other girls do more than me either. Why focus on others so much?

    Focus on being the best you, having a great hustle, having fun. How depressing worrying about what other models do to break the rules. I find it sad, that they have to break rules to make money. Why not lead by example of getting paid more & better by doing less in free chat rather than more so they can see how it is done?

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    ^^ Amen to kortney, The less I pay attention to other cams, the better. It fucks you up mentally and bites you in the ass.
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    Now is my turn to address my concerns to SM: I really wonder why u guys cant decide for a decent placement formula for all people to benefit off on site, whoever is in charge there you really dont know what you doing, seriously.

    So 1st u 'hid' Eastern European girls from Western European members, by default if seen from western european countries there were western european models listed 1st (including UK) then under u shown models from North america/UK/Australia, EE girls could be seen on 1st page only on main site if seen from USA for example or if members searched in the drop down 'search by region' list "Central/ Eastern Europe" & who is searching specifically by this criteria anyway?!
    So then u realized u loose money with the studios in EE cause ur studio models could not be seen from western europe on 1st page anymore so u decided to change formula again cause u need all members to spend on ur studio girls in the region.

    I was really hoping u guys will take some smart decisions to give more models a fair chance to make money on site but all i see is chaotic decisions, on top of less percent paid to non-western models u dont seem to find a good solution regarding placement.
    I fight racism & discrimination every time i see them arrive around me even with the risk of being hated sad lol but u guys have to work on it too, it's really disheartening what u doing, u 'teach' members on whom to spend by just dividing europe in 2 parts, west & east, this continent is a small one, why do u need to split it in two? Why not just europe?

    @Sam now, i know ur point of view sam & i agree it, what we less paid models complain about is a matter of principle, why SM pays us less? Even all of us would promote & bring traffic to our rooms equally we still start with a lower cut to add to, that's what we talking about, THE PRINCIPLE.

    Even u guys at SM might think the dollars we make have higher value in our countries, just so u know, life is very very expensive here in EE, we pay very high taxes on everything and the cost of living is very high for the average population in the region, i been/ lived in western europe & i was 'baffled' of how cheap food was there & what taxes they have & how they offer benefits & social assistance to people in need, here we get nothing like this, if u have no money for food u starve, if u cant pay bills u thrown out in the street, nobody gives a shit about us if we cant manage to make the money we need, if u get sick u fucked and so on.

    So, dont u ever believe 'we have enough' or 'plenty' due to currency conversion, by giving us less money u insult us really.
    STOP DISCRIMINATION & NATIONALISM, will u?
    We too making money for you even we charge less per minute, if u add up all the money EE girls make on site u'll see u earn more from us than from western girls who charge more but are less as percent on site.
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    ^^BTW yes. Right now I have to choose between cutting down my bandwidth by using a British VPN versus making myself completely invisible to the big English-speaking audience and having to work with not that numerous viewers from Eastern Europe whom I either can't communicate with (because of their poor English and my non-existent Romanian and Hungarian) or don't want in my room at all because they could recognize me (yes I know geoblocking is a thing, but I can't afford it because of my already almost non-existent traffic).
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    Can i PM u lexie, i wish to ask something pls? You need to add me as contact to be able for me to receive PM's, thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatM View Post
    So, dont u ever believe 'we have enough' or 'plenty' due to currency conversion, by giving us less money u insult us really. STOP DISCRIMINATION & RACISM, will u? We too making money for you even we charge less per minute, if u add up all the money EE girls make on site u'll see u earn more from us than from western girls who charge more but are less as percent on site.
    Stop discrimination, I get it, but stop racism?? This is not racist sweety.

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    Right then Nationalism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    I have been suspended twice. Dealt with fairly each time.

    Now, the non-U.S. based models getting less money isn't fair. But we can do our own marketing & get 40% more when the guy cams with us & 20% when he cams with other models, with no chargebacks. Never understood why models complain about the 35% but do nothing on their own to promote the cammodel link. If you are not having success with the cammodel link, then it might be your marketing skills.

    So many of you complain about where the traffic comes from with the dating sites, but fact is If we did our end with the marketing SM wouldn't need them. You are the solution to that problem.
    We are business partners with SM, yet most of you don't act that way. You want a bigger piece of the pie, then go get it..... Build up your social media following, market market market that cammodel link like crazy.

    SM, Liz/Vanessa have always dealt fairly, professionally with me. Glitches happen. Windows 10, all the new versions of flash lately have been a nightmare on my computer, those are NOT SM's fault.
    Why beg, petition for 5% or whatever when you can be making that 40/20%?

    I know many of you will be upset with me, so be it. If it is slow on cam, I log off. If it is a trending thing, I up my marketing. Always worked for me in the past.

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    right Sam, I agree. I'm with you on this.
    In spite of all the glitches (and hey, it's the internet, it's machines, it's human it's bound to be glitchy at times, even the best sites have problems) In spite of it all, I made my goal every day and for this week and for last week. Maybe not as fast, but I did. Streamate support has always helped me when I needed it and Vanessa has always been there when I needed something.
    I was very surprised by the bonus and appreciative. They didn't have to do that, and none of us would ever have expected it. Seriously, would you have predicted it last week?
    Then even that wasn't good enough...No good deed goes unpunished. (my dad always said, and he was right) So for some, no raise, no bonus would ever be enough.
    I'm with Sam on this one. You are your own marketing tool. You are responsible for yourself, you make the decisions and do the work. Your boss no matter who he is, isn't required to "take care of you" You decided to work with him, make it work then.
    After reading about all the issues (and I was having some too, traffic was down, but I stayed positive, hell SHIT happens) I was curious about going to MFC. But have decided to stay with SM and make it work. There are too many positives by being there. And I appreciate the bonus very much! It really helped. The more I made, the more I got.
    Those are just my early morning thoughts. From a grown ass woman. ;-) (and I woke up on the rag)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    I only watch girls who make money & have great hustle. I don't look for those breaking the rules, cause I don't care. Nor am I tattle tale.

    The rule breakers aren't the ones keeping you from making money. Don't understand searching room to room looking for those breaking the rules. My hustle is so strong I don't have to break rules to make money. My ego is so big that don't worry about what other girls do more than me either. Why focus on others so much?

    Focus on being the best you, having a great hustle, having fun. How depressing worrying about what other models do to break the rules. I find it sad, that they have to break rules to make money. Why not lead by example of getting paid more & better by doing less in free chat rather than more so they can see how it is done?

    Smooches,
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    I have a feeling some of those girls just don't know the rules. Don't worry about those girls. Guys will figure out how to find you on twitter.

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    Right then Nationalism?
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    I do feel the non U.S based performers are being treated unfairly. It saddens me, I'm with you in trying to figure out a way to make it more fair... You have my support.

    Some of it might be the old studio system in place that used to run & still might in Europe & South America countries. Not to long ago all cam sites depended upon the European & South American studios for reliable performers to make up the bulk of their sites. Those studios had more power than they do now, maybe some vestiges of it still exist.


    . They aren't some monster unwilling to hear us all out. Or what it cost to pay out of the U.S. has something to do with the banking system.
    Conversion rate of U.S. Dollars to what ever the exchange rate is that day with the currency you do take. Just guessing here, but I am sure SM is willing to work it out.

    Let's work together with SM to resolve issues rather than petitions & demands. Treat them with the respect we want for them to treat us with too. And remember, they aren't the only game in town, just may not be the right fit for you & how you cam at this time.

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    Let's work together with SM to resolve issues rather than petitions & demands. Per Sam
    What petition? What demands? I or We or Us can ask any company we work FOR or WITH To Consider giving us a raise or a better working environment. There is nothing in Sm contract that state the percentage you are paid is 35% and we will not consider a higher amount . The contract does not state we as independent contractors can not request, negotiate or per your words Sam petition or demand for a better % or better conditions. As I recall it was you Sam who said every contract can be negotiated. You also said if models weren't happy with the % they could always negotiate with the company "cam sites" as you did. Now when I or we ask or request this to be considered or any other conditions We are Begging? We are Disrespectful? We aren't Marketing ourselves? Wow! The Fuckery! Very Contradicting!

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    Let's work together with SM to resolve issues rather than petitions & demands. Per Sam
    What petition? What demands? I or We or Us can ask any company we work FOR or WITH To Consider giving us a raise or a better working environment. There is nothing in Sm contract that state the percentage you are paid is 35% and we will not consider a higher amount . The contract does not state we as independent contractors can not request, negotiate or per your words Sam petition or demand for a better % or better conditions. As I recall it was you Sam who said every contract can be negotiated. You also said if models weren't happy with the % they could always negotiate with the company "cam sites" as you did. Now when I or we ask or request this to be considered or any other conditions We are Begging? We are Disrespectful? We aren't Marketing ourselves? Wow! The Fuckery! Very Contradicting!
    Yes, I think most of you are lazy when it comes to marketing. I will take that extra 40/20 percent all day long. Have much experience in online marketing my solo site since spamming the yahoo groups back in 2003 to get traffic for it. Having your own traffic make a performer more of a power player.

    You twist my words, go ahead.... Yes, all contracts can be renegotiated by those who work hard & set themselves up as a power earner & traffic source for any cam site they work on. Do I think a petition or all the girls getting together & demanding it is the way to go? NO I don't.

    Sooooooooooooo many of you assume that SM gets 65% . Where do you think all that traffic comes from? What does it cost? What would they have to pay out to affiliates over other cam sites to keep that traffic coming? Hence why they pay us competitively to get our own traffic.

    Petitions are playing the game from a position of weakness. There is not enough of you on SW or in general that will make a major impact upon them to change the current contract most performers now have. I never have stated that it could be done as a group.

    There are plenty of cam sites out there now that pay out 50% & some even more. SM is NOT the only game in town. I don't just cam on SM, I don't put all my eggs in one basket. I've seen major cam sites go down & others rise. I found SM contract to be the most fair & didn't even bother negotiating it. I signed it with no problem at all.
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    Better work conditions? Treatment? WTF are you talking about. SM is NOT a hostile work environment. They can NOT control what people say in free chat anymore than any cam site. All sites have beggars, all sites have mean trolls, we have the ability to kick or ban without any consequence what-so-ever with SM. We are independent contractors, we don't have to work on a schedule, it isn't slavery & we are forced to cam on SM. We have the ability to change our rates as it fits our mood or what we think we are worth.

    Any of you have the ability to get your own billing, traffic & make 100% of the money. NONE of you have to do SM & make 35%. There are many performers on this site who do just that, I have dear friends not on SW who do it all themselves. In fact, I think more of you should to see how hard it is to do everything it takes involved to be a success. We have several ladies on this site who have written much advise & started sites to do this, why not give them a try?

    Currently I have a solo site on Model Centro that converts at 365:1... Everyday for the past 12 years or so, done my own marketing, without affiliates, without help, without others telling how to do it. Figured it out all on my own.

    If many of you have decided that my advise is crap, then don't follow it. Marketing & traffic makes you a power player in this industry. Oh wait, in the world... Cause those who have large social media followings who don't do porn get paid lots of money to tweet & post products in their timelines. If we, cam girls, porn stars, keep building & getting ours there, we will with in a few years be able to cash in that way too. Keep thinking small & just logging onto cam is all you can do. I dream much bigger. Camming is my show, my platform. I just don't log onto much money but to build my brand.

    Keep acting like an employee.. Cam sites already chase me & offer me deals to come back to them, I worked hard to put myself in that position. Turn them down because they are crap & don't deserve my traffic & me camming on them. Been offered jobs to consult for them too, but not enough money in it for me. I will keep building my brand, my cam presence & know they will pay what I want when it comes to going behind the scenes.

    Sam


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