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    You twist my words, go ahead.... Yes, all contracts can be renegotiated by those who work hard & set themselves up as a power earner & traffic source for any cam site they work on. Do I think a petition or all the girls getting together & demanding it is the way to go? NO I don't.
    ^^ No WTF are you talking about? Petition? Demands? Girls getting together? Where is that happening at? Who is demanding or getting a petition together? You aren't the only one who is up on there Business. Sm and any other sites I may work on is A Business to me. And I treat it as such. If the customer support is not up to par and if models ask for a better model support so they can continue to bring there Business partners and themselves more revenue then they have the right to request for better support. You aren't doing anything a lot of us aren't doing for our Business. Your Ego is just as inflated as your Ass.

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    I don't think it's laziness at all. A lot of performers only do cam shows. They aren't models or porn stars that have a base already coming into the cam world. You and I have both shot a lot of things and that helped us when we added camming to our baskets. I remember the Yahoo groups very well and so many of the sites we used for marketing back than arent around anymore.

    SM won't give a pay raise and we all know it. If anything I heard it might go down to 30 percent. I dont know what they use the 65 percent for but it should have been to fix the glitches. They have been terrible for the last two to three years. Part of the 65 percent is for them to bring the performers QUALITY traffic. The traffic changed when they added Gold shows because they no longer bought that same type of traffic. I personally HATE dating traffic. Many guys feel lied to because they were told we were looking for dates or hook-ups. That's not honest marketing on their part. They should have never invested all the money into Gold shows and the tv channel if they also didnt have the funds to fix any glitches it may have caused.

    I agree SM isnt the only cam site out there and they should try out other sites as well. You should always have another site to work on and many do indy sites now.

    SM is kinda hostile because they do play favorites. What's the point of rules if the site refuses to enforce them for a select group of performers? The rules are supposed to be enforced and anyone that breaks them should be punished. Hell they fired two people over their social media postings and sent out messages about Cam Model stores. It's none of their business what we post on social media or if we choose to have a store. Our agreement only applies to when we are on their cam site.

    I love your advice and it is wonderful advice. However you also have over twenty years of experience and some of these performers have only been in the game a short time. Marketing and making your name a brand is what keeps us around a long time. That takes time, money and skills. A lot of these ladies aren't interested in being a model or porn star, they like what they are doing now. Camming is a billion dollar industry and there is nothing wrong with these ladies wanting to be treated well and making a fair wage. Just like when talent wanted to open an adult type SAG to protect them from cheap rates and to keep them from being blackballed.

    You know I love you girl but we came into this industry at a different time and it's changed for the worst in my opinion. These performers have to do what works for them and kudos to them if they ban together and ask for change.



    Quote Originally Posted by Sam38g View Post
    Yes, I think most of you are lazy when it comes to marketing. I will take that extra 40/20 percent all day long. Have much experience in online marketing my solo site since spamming the yahoo groups back in 2003 to get traffic for it. Having your own traffic make a performer more of a power player.

    You twist my words, go ahead.... Yes, all contracts can be renegotiated by those who work hard & set themselves up as a power earner & traffic source for any cam site they work on. Do I think a petition or all the girls getting together & demanding it is the way to go? NO I don't.

    Sooooooooooooo many of you assume that SM gets 65% . Where do you think all that traffic comes from? What does it cost? What would they have to pay out to affiliates over other cam sites to keep that traffic coming? Hence why they pay us competitively to get our own traffic.

    Petitions are playing the game from a position of weakness. There is not enough of you on SW or in general that will make a major impact upon them to change the current contract most performers now have. I never have stated that it could be done as a group.

    There are plenty of cam sites out there now that pay out 50% & some even more. SM is NOT the only game in town. I don't just cam on SM, I don't put all my eggs in one basket. I've seen major cam sites go down & others rise. I found SM contract to be the most fair & didn't even bother negotiating it. I signed it with no problem at all.
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    Better work conditions? Treatment? WTF are you talking about. SM is NOT a hostile work environment. They can NOT control what people say in free chat anymore than any cam site. All sites have beggars, all sites have mean trolls, we have the ability to kick or ban without any consequence what-so-ever with SM. We are independent contractors, we don't have to work on a schedule, it isn't slavery & we are forced to cam on SM. We have the ability to change our rates as it fits our mood or what we think we are worth.

    Any of you have the ability to get your own billing, traffic & make 100% of the money. NONE of you have to do SM & make 35%. There are many performers on this site who do just that, I have dear friends not on SW who do it all themselves. In fact, I think more of you should to see how hard it is to do everything it takes involved to be a success. We have several ladies on this site who have written much advise & started sites to do this, why not give them a try?

    Currently I have a solo site on Model Centro that converts at 365:1... Everyday for the past 12 years or so, done my own marketing, without affiliates, without help, without others telling how to do it. Figured it out all on my own.

    If many of you have decided that my advise is crap, then don't follow it. Marketing & traffic makes you a power player in this industry. Oh wait, in the world... Cause those who have large social media followings who don't do porn get paid lots of money to tweet & post products in their timelines. If we, cam girls, porn stars, keep building & getting ours there, we will with in a few years be able to cash in that way too. Keep thinking small & just logging onto cam is all you can do. I dream much bigger. Camming is my show, my platform. I just don't log onto much money but to build my brand.

    Keep acting like an employee.. Cam sites already chase me & offer me deals to come back to them, I worked hard to put myself in that position. Turn them down because they are crap & don't deserve my traffic & me camming on them. Been offered jobs to consult for them too, but not enough money in it for me. I will keep building my brand, my cam presence & know they will pay what I want when it comes to going behind the scenes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redcandy View Post
    You twist my words, go ahead.... Yes, all contracts can be renegotiated by those who work hard & set themselves up as a power earner & traffic source for any cam site they work on. Do I think a petition or all the girls getting together & demanding it is the way to go? NO I don't.
    ^^ No WTF are you talking about? Petition? Demands? Girls getting together? Where is that happening at? Who is demanding or getting a petition together? You aren't the only one who is up on there Business. Sm and any other sites I may work on is A Business to me. And I treat it as such. If the customer support is not up to par and if models ask for a better model support so they can continue to bring there Business partners and themselves more revenue then they have the right to request for better support. You aren't doing anything a lot of us aren't doing for our Business. Your Ego is just as inflated as your Ass.
    but her "inflated" ass makes her money and more then most of us make i bet
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    On a side note, Chaturbate is an open source cam site that has hundreds of apps and bots written by members. Technically, that makes CB in constant "beta" state.

    When I get kicked off CB, (which is actually quite rare), I usually get reconnected. The same happens on MFC...which looks like a site from the nineties. These sites pay 50% and they have tons of traffic. Why? What makes the private based sites like SM, so much more expensive to run? Has anyone crunched the numbers?

    LJ has a horrible pay structure, in fact, I would be inclined to call them abusive misogynists yet, no one is screaming at them to change shit. Just some things to note.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redcandy View Post
    You twist my words, go ahead.... Yes, all contracts can be renegotiated by those who work hard & set themselves up as a power earner & traffic source for any cam site they work on. Do I think a petition or all the girls getting together & demanding it is the way to go? NO I don't.
    ^^ No WTF are you talking about? Petition? Demands? Girls getting together? Where is that happening at? Who is demanding or getting a petition together? You aren't the only one who is up on there Business. Sm and any other sites I may work on is A Business to me. And I treat it as such. If the customer support is not up to par and if models ask for a better model support so they can continue to bring there Business partners and themselves more revenue then they have the right to request for better support. You aren't doing anything a lot of us aren't doing for our Business. Your Ego is just as inflated as your Ass.
    Her inflated ass makes the money in 1 year, that you make in 5.
    Streamate is offering you the option to get 40% more and a regular 20% income from members who you are bringing. If you treat this as a business then you should know lots about promotion and about the way you make your customers clients.
    Well, I didn't, or I did but I didn't treat it seriously. And I listened to her "inflated" ego when she was talking productive shit in here.
    Btw with "inflated" ego you make money nowadays. Nobody likes easy girls. Cuz easy girls are cheap.

    PS: if you had a store in a mall, would u wait for the customers just to come in and buy? or you would put banners/ do tv ads/ internet ads, etc and promote yourself to make people come to your store, interested straight in YOUR store and YOUR products? not mall's stores in general?
    When you go to a specific store to buy soemthing ( a new one that you want to try) , you go because :
    1: it got your attention while you were walking trough the mall and decided to see what's in there.Maybe u buy or maybe not, depends what's the product type you wish to find there.
    2. You heard things about it and you want to try too.
    3. You saw advertisements and it caught your curiosity.
    Now take my mall example and transform the site in the mall and the store example in your chat room.


    PS: Maybe Sam took the entire post as an agry attitude from girls to the site and reacted like that, because maybe we didn't express ourselves correctly. But she has good intentions when she says something, no matter the way she sounds. She is not a mean woman and she helped a lot of people in here. Helped for good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy0Star View Post
    but her "inflated" ass makes her money and more then most of us make i bet
    I Bet it does as well . And that's Fantastic. When I've been in the game as long as she has I hope mines does as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    ...getting out the organic popcorn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy0Star View Post
    but her "inflated" ass makes her money and more then most of us make i bet
    Not sure why i quoted this one? Maybe it was because my initial thought was pfft speak for yourself. I don't know lol

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    On a side note, Chaturbate is an open source cam site that has hundreds of apps and bots written by members. Technically, that makes CB in constant "beta" state.

    When I get kicked off CB, (which is actually quite rare), I usually get reconnected. The same happens on MFC...which looks like a site from the nineties. These sites pay 50% and they have tons of traffic. Why? What makes the private based sites like SM, so much more expensive to run? Has anyone crunched the numbers?

    LJ has a horrible pay structure, in fact, I would be inclined to call them abusive misogynists yet, no one is screaming at them to change shit. Just some things to note.

    Good Point. Im getting more mobile customers on MFC than Ive had on SM in months. No other site do I see the constant in and out. And on the surface they appear to be less advanced.

    Also I was looking forward to seeing this thread turn into something supportive and positive. I know many of you were getting sick of the all the less than positive post in the Streamate thread. So why not let this one be? I didn't post before because I was getting kinda sick of raging. But now its like some people just show up to fuck it up and chase people away. What's so wrong with people talking?

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    There's still a lot of misconception about how traffic and money on SM works. I realize there are a lot more intricacies, but here is the basic idea:

    You put your ass on cam. Your interest is for the traffic in the room to spend money on you. SM places you based NOT on your earnings, but how well you convert traffic and how much interest the traffic takes in you. Its almost the same thing as your earnings, and there is a correlation/causation, but there are slight and fundamental differences in logic at play. This is determined by a formula that is constantly tweaked by people that may or may not be mathematically qualified, but they get it mostly right most of the time so who cares. They're also kind enough to very transparently spell most of this out, whether models choose to believe it or not.

    Through any number of means, affiliates push traffic to the site. Their interest is for that customer to part with their credit card details...AND spend money. The affiliate doesn't make money if you don't. SM doesn't make money OR spend money on the traffic if neither the model or affiliate make money.

    When a customer spends money, cuts are generally as follows:
    35% to model/studio
    35% + signup bonus to the affiliate
    28-30% to SM. From that comes all accounting, tech support, customer service, umpteen girlfriends/relatives of people drawing salaries for no reason, swallowed chargebacks, fraud investigation, occasional large market ad buys (TV commercials), databanks and hardware, affiliate program managers, credit card processing, taxes, handful of competent people that keep the gears turning - all of this is standard corporate overhead you can find in any large company. Sometimes they even make a profit.

    Bottom line is they AREN'T making an incredible profit off you - just one barely big enough to keep investors interested. The affiliates need enough to keep interested and not drive that traffic to other sites (a challenge with the difficult conversions), and the high percentage is the secret to SM's success so far. CB and MFC pay higher percentage to models, but their ratio of spenders is abysmal, as is the ratio of models that actually make consistent money on those sites - you have to be hyper competitive to make them work well for you (like doing your own social networking...you know, marketing yourself).

    Here's the kicker that Sam keeps alluding to...SM pays models BETTER than their affiliates to drive the traffic if the models are willing to do so. You really can't beat that. Traffic driving is no joke, hubby and I try it once in a while and get beaten back each time. SM needs to keep affiliates getting a big piece of the pie in order to bring that traffic. Bringing bad traffic wastes an affiliate's time and energy as much as yours dealing with them, and SM doesn't (and shouldn't) care either way because they're not spending on it - you are, BUT, only when you make money.

    Another dirty secret about who gets away with what we figured out. SM itself doesn't police their rooms that well as the workload would be incredible. They actually count on jealous models, miffed customers, and rival studio staff with too much time on their hands to send the reports. In this, nobody is immune to warnings or suspensions, no matter how much money they're raking in (and we have several personal examples of models hitting #1 to be suddenly nailed with a suspension for something - really deserved or not). Being a top model makes you even more of a target if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatyBoleyn View Post

    You put your ass on cam. Your interest is for the traffic in the room to spend money on you. SM places you based NOT on your earnings, but how well you convert traffic and how much interest the traffic takes in you. Its almost the same thing as your earnings, and there is a correlation/causation, but there are slight and fundamental differences in logic at play. This is determined by a formula that is constantly tweaked by people that may or may not be mathematically qualified, but they get it mostly right most of the time so who cares. They're also kind enough to very transparently spell most of this out, whether models choose to believe it or not.
    How do they gauge on how well traffic takes an interest in you if its not earnings? Wouldn't earning be the only or best way to measure this ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy0Star View Post
    How do they gauge on how well traffic takes an interest in you if its not earnings? Wouldn't earning be the only or best way to measure this ?
    I'm pretty sure high paid percentage is also a massive factor in placement.

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    IMO the placement is rather calculated based on the total amount and not the part of it that goes to the model's pocket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy0Star View Post
    How do they gauge on how well traffic takes an interest in you if its not earnings? Wouldn't earning be the only or best way to measure this ?
    Niteflirt placement is based heavily on new conversions. New Customers. Customer retention has very little baring. It sucks but thats how it worksm there. Not sure if SM is exactly like this. My real question is why does a studio with so much insight constantly share it with an entire forum. Why not give this info exclusively to the people who pay them 5% of their earnings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    Niteflirt placement is based heavily on new conversions. New Customers. Customer retention has very little baring. It sucks but thats how it worksm there. Not sure if SM is exactly like this. My real question is why does a studio with so much insight constantly share it with an entire forum. Why not give this info exclusively to the people who pay them 5% of their earnings?
    Liz explained this to me before when I was a baby camgirl and I asked if they could explain how placement works because I didn't understand it.





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    ^^ Because, we can't keep them all to ourselves. Thanks Katy for spelling out the backend. I still think they could do without the catered lunches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    Niteflirt placement is based heavily on new conversions. New Customers. Customer retention has very little baring. It sucks but thats how it worksm there. Not sure if SM is exactly like this. My real question is why does a studio with so much insight constantly share it with an entire forum. Why not give this info exclusively to the people who pay them 5% of their earnings?
    Before I was a baller studio owner I was a camgirl too...actually I still do shows a few times a week for customers that can't seem to let go (and I don't mind). A lot of this I figured out before. Also, when you get into different parts of the business you start seeing things from a different angle and it does change your perspective. Each piece is part of a bigger picture. As for sharing information, its hard to have a useful or meaningful dialogue if the parties involved are missing key information, just as "low information voters" are the bane of democracy and lack of nuance is the rise of tyranny and all that. To get that nuance you need at least a few opinions, and informed opinions are better yet. All I (and several others) have said above can be pieced together from public sources and even directly told to models/affiliates.

    Also believe if we had secrets that exclusively gave our models a competitive edge, it's not going on the forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy0Star View Post
    How do they gauge on how well traffic takes an interest in you if its not earnings? Wouldn't earning be the only or best way to measure this ?
    Exactly what they ask for when they tell you how to get better placement. Good camera with a clear feed (translated as HD at the level they want with audio), excellent rating for your shows, consistent schedule (visitors lurk and come back a few times before parting with their cc numbers), good internet, room count average, etc.

    Percent in paid and earnings are lesser factors, as both could easily be gamed (or undermined) by how models do shows and how much they charge. For example, having 1 or 2 customers sit in your $1/5 hour sleeping show would put you at 100% in paid. Likewise, a model that charges only 1.99/minute would never make it past second page if earnings were a major factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    My real question is why does a studio with so much insight constantly share it with an entire forum. Why not give this info exclusively to the people who pay them 5% of their earnings?
    But why not explain it to us. I kind of shake my head because we all KNOW we make 35% and when we sign up we KNOW we can also use our own affiliate link (I use mine all the time) and we know that is going to bring us 35%. So it pretty much common knowledge that the site pays out 70% of what the client spends right off the top. If you have any knowledge of how a business runs or any concept of overhead then you know that the remaining 30% is not going to be profit!

    And why not catered lunches? That is an employee incentive and a good business model because it promotes a good work environment and that draws good people to work for you. Its not like they are claiming that they buy their staff new Maserati(s??) every year.

    What the hell is the plural of Maserati?? Its an Italian name and in Italy you end a word with an "I" to pluralize it so do I do nothing or still add the "S" for English. Now this thread is just making me angry **kicks bucket and leaves!**

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    I was just joking, I don't care. I treat my husband and I to dinner twice a week as a reward.





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    Well... this became an ugly shit show of cam girl jealousy and hurt feelings in a hurry....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    I don't think it's laziness at all. A lot of performers only do cam shows. They aren't models or porn stars that have a base already coming into the cam world. You and I have both shot a lot of things and that helped us when we added camming to our baskets. I remember the Yahoo groups very well and so many of the sites we used for marketing back than arent around anymore.

    SM won't give a pay raise and we all know it. If anything I heard it might go down to 30 percent. I dont know what they use the 65 percent for but it should have been to fix the glitches. They have been terrible for the last two to three years. Part of the 65 percent is for them to bring the performers QUALITY traffic. The traffic changed when they added Gold shows because they no longer bought that same type of traffic. I personally HATE dating traffic. Many guys feel lied to because they were told we were looking for dates or hook-ups. That's not honest marketing on their part. They should have never invested all the money into Gold shows and the tv channel if they also didnt have the funds to fix any glitches it may have caused.

    I agree SM isnt the only cam site out there and they should try out other sites as well. You should always have another site to work on and many do indy sites now.

    SM is kinda hostile because they do play favorites. What's the point of rules if the site refuses to enforce them for a select group of performers? The rules are supposed to be enforced and anyone that breaks them should be punished. Hell they fired two people over their social media postings and sent out messages about Cam Model stores. It's none of their business what we post on social media or if we choose to have a store. Our agreement only applies to when we are on their cam site.

    I love your advice and it is wonderful advice. However you also have over twenty years of experience and some of these performers have only been in the game a short time. Marketing and making your name a brand is what keeps us around a long time. That takes time, money and skills. A lot of these ladies aren't interested in being a model or porn star, they like what they are doing now. Camming is a billion dollar industry and there is nothing wrong with these ladies wanting to be treated well and making a fair wage. Just like when talent wanted to open an adult type SAG to protect them from cheap rates and to keep them from being blackballed.

    You know I love you girl but we came into this industry at a different time and it's changed for the worst in my opinion. These performers have to do what works for them and kudos to them if they ban together and ask for change.
    I agree with the whole post but i highlighted in red the most important things. May i say i have no clue how to market myself lol? Plus i dont want to, if i wanted i would do it somehow but i dont. I just want to cam, i dont care about anything else like making my name a brand, i will stay in the business a little more & then leave & i dont want traces of my cam activity on the internet cause i have other plans for my future, i wanna write a book, i wanna have a business (either in cam industry behind the scene or to open a small shop or something else), i want this cam period to be just a chapter of my life and not a life time career.
    I think many girls are like me, they work cam while studying and preparing themselves for other careers, they not interested in more than that from cam industry.
    Giving people advice in anger & blaming them of being lazy cause they dont want to market is not helping, seriously.
    I always 'listen' how advice is given to me, if it's given because the person cares about me & wants to help then i consider it & am thankful to receive it, if it's given because the person wants to shut me off, is angry cause i complain too much or if advice giver shows arrogance, then i dont take it LOL, i want to feel YOU (the advice giver whomever u are) care about my well being & that u truly want to help, if i dont feel this then all advice passes around me

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    Well, I'm sure we can all agree that if we put in the time, work ethic, and marketing (or not) we can make the system work for us. I've noticed that even though I spend less time on cam (I put 10.98 hours in for the month of August, lol) I found myself #1 or on the first few in each of my categories, in the middle of the 1st page (started from the bottom now we're here!) from being on the bottom rows and even page 2. My prices started at $5.99/7.99 and have permanently been $8.99/7.99 for over a year now. I only have slightly under 2,000 favs. That's it! I noticed a while back that when I looked up my name on twitter I saw a lot of affiliates promoting me so they probably do check for models who aren't afraid to convert at higher rates. Who knows?

    Someone has mentioned average users/times in your room, prices, etc. The most guys I've ever had in my room was 12-15 at any given moment which isn't much at all O.o My point is, you can rise to the top, just find out how. I'm coming for that #1 spot aka the 1st 1-2 rows in the next 1-2 years. If you're not into heavy marketing you can still share your CM link with guys who chat you up and bug you on skype. At the end of the day ladies and gents, it's still a sales job. And if you're guaranteed 20% extra why not go for it? Below is a photo from THIS week and I'm not showing it to brag. Yes, I've been very lazy/busy to the point I didn't even log in until this morning but I'm still making SM work for me by using my CM link. Try it! Can't you use an extra $50+ on your check?




    You are presented with several opportunities to make this job work for you. If anything, make sure your appearance is on point. Men are extremely visual (women too) and if his dick is hard and he's starring at you you need to make the most of it and sell the hell out of yourself. I'm a big bitch, with a big ass, and a big appetite for men with deep pockets. A fat girl charging 8.99 with a BIG ASS? Fucks YAS! And they pay it too. I think that's one reason I can get away with low hours and high pay because I'm not afraid to charge what I want but at the same time I make sure I bring the physical attraction. "Wow, that girl is fat, but she's HOT! I have to take her private." Make your product (you) work for YOU!




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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy0Star View Post
    I actually DID LEAVE SM a few months back because i got tired of low traffic and all the glitches. Whats the point in staying when ppl cant stay connected in my room half the time and when they do they're just cheap ass holes or they wont even talk to you and leave when you try ? as karina and a few other ppl have posted theres other sites with more POLITE traffic and PAY MORE ie CB/MFC . I'm making in 4 hours on CB what it took me 9 hours to make on SM .

    The final straw that made me leave was being banned for a week for running video game hangout gold shows . I've seen top models do hang out shows and they dont get banned for a week for it. But because i wasnt plowing all my holes for a buck (and not popular enuf to get away with it i guess) guys complained because they dont read the show title get disappointed and leave and somehow thats my fault and i deserved to be banned for a week for it ? HELL NO. I emailed them back told them to close my account dont even worry about unbanning me Im done and that was that.

    It also kinda ties into something else that bugs me and a lot of other ppl. YOU PLAY FAVORITES . What you can get away with is based on how popular you are and how much money your making witch isn't far. It sends mixed signals to us and we dont know what we can and cant do really. Other models get away with shit that would be BANIBLE if they weren't bringing in probably thousands a day for the company . There are some models who base their hole camming persona and hustle around it (daughter/ dad is a good example )
    You make a good point about playing favorites. I, obviously, am not THE most popular or THE highest earning model on the site, but I am pretty popular. But even I got suspended for doing a $0 hang out show that was clearly described as such, and every person that tipped had the option of getting a free video in case they didn't read the topic. From my perspective that was a more than fair deal. And yet, suspended. However you can go into half the rooms on the front page, regardless of what row they're on and see people not only drinking on cam, but selling shots, or showing below the belt nudity (not a "woops, I moved and you saw pussy for .5 seconds!" But "here's 2 dildos I can fit in my pussy at once!") Or outright telling their rooms "don't tip me here, go pay in my cam model store and I'll do the gold show".
    There are popular models and then there are favorites and being popular alone gets you exactly zero special treatment. You do however get a LOT more girls watching your room, some to figure out why you're popular and some because they're just waiting for you to slip up so they can report you.
    No power in the 'verse can stop me.

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    You do however get a LOT more girls watching your room, some to figure out why you're popular and some because they're just waiting for you to slip up so they can report you.

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