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    Quote Originally Posted by IvyAdams View Post
    Lol. To be quite honest, I have no idea why I'm popular with customers. I am just as confused about it as every one of you watching me scratching your heads, like "I'm over here looking like Beyonce and Jayne is just hanging out in some sweat pants talking about antibiotics causing yeast infections and she's the one on the top row?! Wtf!"
    No power in the 'verse can stop me.

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    hmmmm is that why I had the BEST year ever when all those trolls were trolling me and they sent me to the top of the page in a hurry? ..hmmm well that explains it then. ... cuz before they came along I was somewhere on page 2 for days on end..lol

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    There's still a lot of misconception about how traffic and money on SM works. I realize there are a lot more intricacies, but here is the basic idea:

    You put your ass on cam. Your interest is for the traffic in the room to spend money on you. SM places you based NOT on your earnings, but how well you convert traffic and how much interest the traffic takes in you. Its almost the same thing as your earnings, and there is a correlation/causation, but there are slight and fundamental differences in logic at play. This is determined by a formula that is constantly tweaked by people that may or may not be mathematically qualified, but they get it mostly right most of the time so who cares. They're also kind enough to very transparently spell most of this out, whether models choose to believe it or not.

    Through any number of means, affiliates push traffic to the site. Their interest is for that customer to part with their credit card details...AND spend money. The affiliate doesn't make money if you don't. SM doesn't make money OR spend money on the traffic if neither the model or affiliate make money.

    When a customer spends money, cuts are generally as follows:
    35% to model/studio
    35% + signup bonus to the affiliate
    28-30% to SM. From that comes all accounting, tech support, customer service, umpteen girlfriends/relatives of people drawing salaries for no reason, swallowed chargebacks, fraud investigation, occasional large market ad buys (TV commercials), databanks and hardware, affiliate program managers, credit card processing, taxes, handful of competent people that keep the gears turning - all of this is standard corporate overhead you can find in any large company. Sometimes they even make a profit.

    Bottom line is they AREN'T making an incredible profit off you - just one barely big enough to keep investors interested. The affiliates need enough to keep interested and not drive that traffic to other sites (a challenge with the difficult conversions), and the high percentage is the secret to SM's success so far. CB and MFC pay higher percentage to models, but their ratio of spenders is abysmal, as is the ratio of models that actually make consistent money on those sites - you have to be hyper competitive to make them work well for you (like doing your own social networking...you know, marketing yourself).

    Here's the kicker that Sam keeps alluding to...SM pays models BETTER than their affiliates to drive the traffic if the models are willing to do so. You really can't beat that. Traffic driving is no joke, hubby and I try it once in a while and get beaten back each time. SM needs to keep affiliates getting a big piece of the pie in order to bring that traffic. Bringing bad traffic wastes an affiliate's time and energy as much as yours dealing with them, and SM doesn't (and shouldn't) care either way because they're not spending on it - you are, BUT, only when you make money.

    Another dirty secret about who gets away with what we figured out. SM itself doesn't police their rooms that well as the workload would be incredible. They actually count on jealous models, miffed customers, and rival studio staff with too much time on their hands to send the reports. In this, nobody is immune to warnings or suspensions, no matter how much money they're raking in (and we have several personal examples of models hitting #1 to be suddenly nailed with a suspension for something - really deserved or not). Being a top model makes you even more of a target if anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oCURIOUSo View Post
    Lol. To be quite honest, I have no idea why I'm popular with customers. I am just as confused about it as every one of you watching me scratching your heads, like "I'm over here looking like Beyonce and Jayne is just hanging out in some sweat pants talking about antibiotics causing yeast infections and she's the one on the top row?! Wtf!"
    Yeah it boggles my head too. I just sit there and vape and be extremely sarcastic and an asshole.





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    Liar. LOL I heard about your epic $1500 Gold shows. I always think of you as a top performer on there and I know you work hard at it.

    People like you because you have a great personality and you're super funny. Your Twitter alone cracks me up sometimes.


    Quote Originally Posted by oCURIOUSo View Post
    You make a good point about playing favorites. I, obviously, am not THE most popular or THE highest earning model on the site, but I am pretty popular. But even I got suspended for doing a $0 hang out show that was clearly described as such, and every person that tipped had the option of getting a free video in case they didn't read the topic. From my perspective that was a more than fair deal. And yet, suspended. However you can go into half the rooms on the front page, regardless of what row they're on and see people not only drinking on cam, but selling shots, or showing below the belt nudity (not a "woops, I moved and you saw pussy for .5 seconds!" But "here's 2 dildos I can fit in my pussy at once!") Or outright telling their rooms "don't tip me here, go pay in my cam model store and I'll do the gold show".
    There are popular models and then there are favorites and being popular alone gets you exactly zero special treatment. You do however get a LOT more girls watching your room, some to figure out why you're popular and some because they're just waiting for you to slip up so they can report you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaneBurgess View Post
    Liar. LOL I heard about your epic $1500 Gold shows. I always think of you as a top performer on there and I know you work hard at it.

    People like you because you have a great personality and you're super funny. Your Twitter alone cracks me up sometimes.

    That's kind of a double edged sword though. My guest chat is fun, and I rarely push people to tip or take me private. A gentle reminder here and there is about it. But because I try to keep it fun and light hearted most of the time, they forget this is my job. I'd always rather be upstairs hanging out with my family than down here by my self. Not that I don't love my job, I do, but when I have to work from noon to midnight because that's when the traffic is there I don't see my kids at all. They get home at 3 and go to bed at 8, all the while I have to be down here being friendly.
    And I've tried being more aggressive, pushing more and demanding they take me to paid chat, but at the end of the day, that's just not who I am, and I'm a bad actress. No one buys it.(That's why I hate SPH. I'm not mean, I wanna pump you up and make you feel awesome and special because you have a tiny cock. I can't call you names. WTF lol)
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    And there's a difference between being A top performer and THE top performer.
    No power in the 'verse can stop me.

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    I understand 100 percent. Im not good at being aggressive for tipping or getting shows either. I have to be really annoyed to actually tell them to pay up and by then I dont want to do anything because Im mad. I'm working on being more firm but in a polite kind of way so I dont piss anyone off.

    I'm actually good at SPH. I take all the annoyance of beggars out on the poor fetish guys that want to be humiliated. I fell super bad afterward but they want it and enjoy it.


    Quote Originally Posted by oCURIOUSo View Post
    That's kind of a double edged sword though. My guest chat is fun, and I rarely push people to tip or take me private. A gentle reminder here and there is about it. But because I try to keep it fun and light hearted most of the time, they forget this is my job. I'd always rather be upstairs hanging out with my family than down here by my self. Not that I don't love my job, I do, but when I have to work from noon to midnight because that's when the traffic is there I don't see my kids at all. They get home at 3 and go to bed at 8, all the while I have to be down here being friendly.
    And I've tried being more aggressive, pushing more and demanding they take me to paid chat, but at the end of the day, that's just not who I am, and I'm a bad actress. No one buys it.(That's why I hate SPH. I'm not mean, I wanna pump you up and make you feel awesome and special because you have a tiny cock. I can't call you names. WTF lol)

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    I am going to gently suggest that there's a reason that people don't move off sm and move other places...because even with the shit show of a meltdown we all experienced it is still the best and most reliable box site on the web that's not a tipping site. Sorry all, I LOVE SM. I'm not getting fucked out of $75+ a pay period per week in charge backs, I'm not getting excessive warnings about bullshit from them about things like being off camera.

    I'm old as shit and I make a hefty paycheck for how intensely unsexy I am in free chat, and sure the 35% sucks, but coming from a site that advertised 45% then paid there models 29% and fucked them every opportunity they had....yeah... we can all bitch and moan that shit sucks or we can try finding another site...if you think it sucks then GO....open your own cam model store, head to mfc or chatterbate or the myriad of other sites out there and lay down your dong.

    How many of us have cut back our hours because it's harder, how many of us are taking more days off a week then we should? I'm going to guess a fuck ton of us. Sure, my bottom line isn't where it was a year ago, but I had so many nights of "fuck it, it looks slow" that made that happen. It might be slower but you should have BUILT YOUR REGULARS, that's how this works. You rely on the guys who love you to help you through. And Yes Sam, FUCKING YES, you should be advertising your link. I had nearly $200 this week in bonus cash and all I do is fucking post my link on twitter before I log in. I do zero video deals, I am no where else. I'm not an ex porn star, I don't have a fan base. I'm a 41 year old who just spent nearly an hour talking about Ferris Bullers Day Off in my free chat room.

    If you don't like sm, you don't HAVE to be on sm. There are other sites you can go to and maybe you can drag your regulars there. I guarantee some of you will do much better with this option, you have a big fan base and they love you and want to give you money. OR do other things on the side to supplement your income. There are too many petitions going around saying sm sucks. It really doesn't. If you don't believe me, go to other box sites and then check back with me in 6 months.

    Some of you will do better than you ever have in your career, and some of you will see that SM is your place to be.


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    ^^^^ Agreed.

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    I don't have anything to add to the open letter. I'm not sure if this should be posted in this thread or a new one but, what is a hang out show? I think I have been doing hang out shows for as long as gold shows became available but this is why I am asking for clarification. The only other thing I wanted to add is not all models who report other models are doing it out of jealously. I take offense to this only because I see a model in this thread who always seems to have something harsh to say when models have an opposing view of her own. Now I see a couple more in this. Streamate tells us as new models to watch other models and learn what works, what doesn't and incorporate that into our own hustle. This is said to us right after we sign an acknowledgement of site rules and a model behavior agreement. There is a difference between trying to maintain a level playing field where we are all held to the same standard and being jealous. Many of us like the standard Streamate sets. If a model is reporting another model, I see it more like a neighborhood watch, I mean who wants to see a home with tall weeds and a broken down truck in the front yard when we all know it devalues the rest of the neighborhood? To me jealousy from another model is when a model enters a chat room anonymously and starts typing words that are antagonistic. I'm pretty sure guys who surf the site with one hand on their dick, trying to get a nut off will not be typing such crap. Those are the guys who go in and out of the chat room before you can greet them. They could care less about typing. I'm positive that 100% of the trolls I've had in my chat are other models and not jonny perv looking for free pussy, and that's usually found in the top two rows or somewhere in between Columbia and page 12.

    The reason Chaterbate and MFC has more traffic is because there are a higher number of surfers looking for free shows which are readily available. It doesn't mean those sites are better. I happen to like the trade in of lower traffic but higher quality traffic.



    I guess I do have something to add to this thread.

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    I don't have anything to add to the open letter. I'm not sure if this should be posted in this thread or a new one but, what is a hang out show? I think I have been doing hang out shows for as long as gold shows became available but this is why I am asking for clarification. The only other thing I wanted to add is not all models who report other models are doing it out of jealously. I take offense to this only because I see a model in this thread who always seems to have something harsh to say when models have an opposing view of her own. Now I see a couple more in this. Streamate tells us as new models to watch other models and learn what works, what doesn't and incorporate that into our own hustle. This is said to us right after we sign an acknowledgement of site rules and a model behavior agreement. There is a difference between trying to maintain a level playing field where we are all held to the same standard and being jealous. Many of us like the standard Streamate sets. If a model is reporting another model, I see it more like a neighborhood watch, I mean who wants to see a home with tall weeds and a broken down truck in the front yard when we all know it devalues the rest of the neighborhood? To me jealousy from another model is when a model enters a chat room anonymously and starts typing words that are antagonistic. I'm pretty sure guys who surf the site with one hand on their dick, trying to get a nut off will not be typing such crap. Those are the guys who go in and out of the chat room before you can greet them. They could care less about typing. I'm positive that 100% of the trolls I've had in my chat are other models and not jonny perv looking for free pussy, and that's usually found in the top two rows or somewhere in between Columbia and page 12.

    The reason Chaterbate and MFC has more traffic is because there are a higher number of surfers looking for free shows which are readily available. It doesn't mean those sites are better. I happen to like the trade in of lower traffic but higher quality traffic.



    I guess I do have something to add to this thread.
    I think you make some super valid points. I agree that there is nothing wrong with watching other models to see what works on the site etc. Hell, when I first started camming I tipped into every gold show possible, hung out in models rooms all the time just to get the feel of the site and what hustles seemed to work for some models over the other types of hustles. I personally don't generally watch other models anymore because for me, it takes away from time I could be on cam myself. Sometimes I will go into models rooms and tip bomb and join a gold show or two- uplifting and supporting the community which we are all a part of is an important aspect of the camming world in my mind. I LOVE it when other models come and hang out in my room.

    I love that you used "neighborhood watch" haha! What a great analogy. I would agree with your statement of saying that in some cases modes breaking the rules devalues the site as a whole. Like you said, we all sign an acknowledgement in our contracts and since we are all adults should all be held accountable for our actions. I'm not one to report other models if I see them breaking the rules because in my mind, they are the ones taking the risk- it's part of their hustle. If they get caught, they are the ones to suffer the repercussions, and if they don't get caught- then more power to them. It's a risk- but sometimes the risks pay off. Does that mean that I disagree with the models being reported? Not by any means, in fact I think that some behavior SHOULD be brought to the attention of Streamate. That being said, as a model who doesn't break the rules, I have been a personal victim of models reporting me for things that I wasn't even doing... and when things like that happen, I feel as though that would definitely be considered jealousy and trolling. Both times I had the suspension lifted because they couldn't prove what they said I did (since it never happened) however- I feel like models who focus on other models and getting them in trouble instead of worrying about their own hustle and running their own room can end up devaluing the site as much as the models who may break a rule or two to make some extra money. As with everything, there's a line. If someone is drinking a glass of wine on cam- I'm not worried about it, even though TECHNICALLY it's breaking the agreement we signed. The more extreme things that happen are what should be monitored more closely by Streamate itself, not necessarily other models.

    aaaaannnnnd......I'm glad you had something to add to the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IvyAdams View Post
    I think you make some super valid points. I agree that there is nothing wrong with watching other models to see what works on the site etc. Hell, when I first started camming I tipped into every gold show possible, hung out in models rooms all the time just to get the feel of the site and what hustles seemed to work for some models over the other types of hustles. I personally don't generally watch other models anymore because for me, it takes away from time I could be on cam myself. Sometimes I will go into models rooms and tip bomb and join a gold show or two- uplifting and supporting the community which we are all a part of is an important aspect of the camming world in my mind. I LOVE it when other models come and hang out in my room.

    I love that you used "neighborhood watch" haha! What a great analogy. I would agree with your statement of saying that in some cases modes breaking the rules devalues the site as a whole. Like you said, we all sign an acknowledgement in our contracts and since we are all adults should all be held accountable for our actions. I'm not one to report other models if I see them breaking the rules because in my mind, they are the ones taking the risk- it's part of their hustle. If they get caught, they are the ones to suffer the repercussions, and if they don't get caught- then more power to them. It's a risk- but sometimes the risks pay off. Does that mean that I disagree with the models being reported? Not by any means, in fact I think that some behavior SHOULD be brought to the attention of Streamate. That being said, as a model who doesn't break the rules, I have been a personal victim of models reporting me for things that I wasn't even doing... and when things like that happen, I feel as though that would definitely be considered jealousy and trolling. Both times I had the suspension lifted because they couldn't prove what they said I did (since it never happened) however- I feel like models who focus on other models and getting them in trouble instead of worrying about their own hustle and running their own room can end up devaluing the site as much as the models who may break a rule or two to make some extra money. As with everything, there's a line. If someone is drinking a glass of wine on cam- I'm not worried about it, even though TECHNICALLY it's breaking the agreement we signed. The more extreme things that happen are what should be monitored more closely by Streamate itself, not necessarily other models.

    aaaaannnnnd......I'm glad you had something to add to the thread.

    I used to tip a lot more than I do now. I used to make a habit of tipping the girls on the lower part of page 2 and onward just because it was unexpected and offered them a little incentive to keep going. I would introduce myself after tipping. I stopped because it seemed like I started getting trolled heavy after the introduction. They may not be related but I felt shafted. Being on cam is stressful enough without inviting trouble in. I have only ever reported two models and it was when I was new. I was watching top models because the site advises it. One model I was shocked to see pissing in her bed and then selling the panties. I quickly learned the owners of the site are aware of it and allow it. The other one was also a top model who is absolutely beautiful and like a barbie doll showing pussy which I also know the site is aware and allows her to do it. It's not that I've become complacent to see rules enforced for one model but not another but more appreciating the privilege of being on it and not wanting to invite trouble. I do wonder why those girls wont move to a site that allows XXX in free chat but it's not enough to pursue an answer.

    I don't drink but never knew it was illegal on cam. Why is it illegal? Also still want to know what a hang out show is.

    Thank you.

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    It's not that it's illegal to to drink on cam, but it is against the rules on SM.

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    Ehhh nobody really knows what is in that bottle/ can or glass, right? I saw girls drinking beer from beer bottles or cans, drinking liquids that looked like water, wine or a cocktail, what is actually not allowed, saying it out loud u drink alcohol or selling shots or looking/ acting drunk? Cause for example i drink water always with a straw from a glass or small bottle... should i worry i could get in trouble lol?! When u breaking the rules regarding drinking?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaeRae View Post
    It's not that it's illegal to to drink on cam, but it is against the rules on SM.
    I drink on cam, I don't get drunk on cam. The code of conduct/rules say clearly you can't be under the influence. NOT that you can't drink. If they didn't want you to drink at all, I'm sure it would state that in bold letters, "NO drinking alcohol on cam" Haven't we already gone over this? LOL They just don't want drunk girls camming. Nothing is more unattractive than a drunk woman. ewwww

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    Quote Originally Posted by JessRyan View Post
    I drink on cam, I don't get drunk on cam. The code of conduct/rules say clearly you can't be under the influence. NOT that you can't drink. If they didn't want you to drink at all, I'm sure it would state that in bold letters, "NO drinking alcohol on cam" Haven't we already gone over this? LOL They just don't want drunk girls camming. Nothing is more unattractive than a drunk woman. ewwww
    There is a top model who I LOVE that used to or still does these things called tipsy tuesday ive never seen her during them but i can only assume she gets drunk. Shes fucking HILARIOUS in free chat sober so i can only assume its 10 fold when shes drunk. I remember one day watching her and she was talking to her room about her tipsy tuesday show later that week saying she passed out on cam during it because she drank so much. Some ppl react differently when theyre drunk . Some people it loosens them up enuf to actually cam at all (witch is another story) Some ppl like being buzzed because it makes camming funner . Others are just straight up belligerent and and am embarrassment to themselves when they cam drunk witch is the kind of drunk that kinda makes a bad rep for cam girls. I act like a 16 year old bratty high schooler with a valley girl accent (my California-ness comes out lol) and i dont think that would be a good thing for me . So i think it really just depends on the kind of drunk you are whether is good or bad IMO. But like been said a few times already they play favorites or turn a blind eye to it if they feel its not an issue depending on who it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JessRyan View Post
    I drink on cam, I don't get drunk on cam. The code of conduct/rules say clearly you can't be under the influence. NOT that you can't drink. If they didn't want you to drink at all, I'm sure it would state that in bold letters, "NO drinking alcohol on cam" Haven't we already gone over this? LOL They just don't want drunk girls camming. Nothing is more unattractive than a drunk woman. ewwww
    THIS. I drink on cam occasionally (a glass of wine etc.) but I never say what I'm drinking and never get drunk. It's all in the subtlety

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    I got banned off CB for a few hours for uncorking a bottle and drinking. I totally forgot they were against drinking on cam. MFC and Cam4 don't care. SM is probably one of the more stricter sites other than XloveCam<---they don't even allow topless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    I got banned off CB for a few hours for uncorking a bottle and drinking. I totally forgot they were against drinking on cam. MFC and Cam4 don't care. SM is probably one of the more stricter sites other than XloveCam<---they don't even allow topless.
    do you find that XLovecam site has more guys that are willing to pay and theres less begging VS SM i found that there was less begging and rude demanding entitlement issues on Cams.com compared to SM because they dont allow topless either at Cams but i found Cams to be a waste of time its too full of guys who want to talk ur ear off for free with a promise of pvt later and the low % vs guys who ask a few questions then take u pvt like SM .

    As far as what happened on CB - i think u got ratted on by a jelly cam model because ur awesome . Sad how ppl have to rat others out for petty shit . I dont think anyone else would have reported you for that other then another performer .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitcatt View Post
    And Yes Sam, FUCKING YES, you should be advertising your link. I had nearly $200 this week in bonus cash and all I do is fucking post my link on twitter before I log in.
    You make the CM link sound so easy. I have been posting my link on twitter before I log in for over 3 years now. I even used facebook in the beginning too but my account got closed there, twice.... I tried tumblr but nobody really pays attention to that.
    All it got me in all these years is only one signup and he only spent $ in one show from another cammodel. I have 12K followers.
    So even for the girls like me that do promote intensively their cammodels link for years and years, it doesn't mean a 200$ bonus in a week at all. But I don't give up lol

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    I've known her for ten years and she is hilarious period. She is also SUPER creative with her shows. She does Tipsy Tuesday, Star Wars themes, dressed as a gypsy, etc. Her Twitter is just as funny, I always crack up at her postings. She is cool a little tipsy or sober.

    I do agree it's different for everyone. I have seen video of a performer drunk and it was bad. She fell off her chair, started crying and then screamed at the cam for a few minutes. If you can't handle your alcohol than don't drink period, yet alone online.


    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy0Star View Post
    There is a top model who I LOVE that used to or still does these things called tipsy tuesday ive never seen her during them but i can only assume she gets drunk. Shes fucking HILARIOUS in free chat sober so i can only assume its 10 fold when shes drunk. I remember one day watching her and she was talking to her room about her tipsy tuesday show later that week saying she passed out on cam during it because she drank so much. Some ppl react differently when theyre drunk . Some people it loosens them up enuf to actually cam at all (witch is another story) Some ppl like being buzzed because it makes camming funner . Others are just straight up belligerent and and am embarrassment to themselves when they cam drunk witch is the kind of drunk that kinda makes a bad rep for cam girls. I act like a 16 year old bratty high schooler with a valley girl accent (my California-ness comes out lol) and i dont think that would be a good thing for me . So i think it really just depends on the kind of drunk you are whether is good or bad IMO. But like been said a few times already they play favorites or turn a blind eye to it if they feel its not an issue depending on who it is.

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    I asked about that once. Liz said a lot of performers had the labels of the alcohol on cam and they can't allow that. I dont know if they were concerned you were promoting a certain alcohol, but I cant imagine it's copyright issues.


    Quote Originally Posted by steffy40 View Post
    I used to tip a lot more than I do now. I used to make a habit of tipping the girls on the lower part of page 2 and onward just because it was unexpected and offered them a little incentive to keep going. I would introduce myself after tipping. I stopped because it seemed like I started getting trolled heavy after the introduction. They may not be related but I felt shafted. Being on cam is stressful enough without inviting trouble in. I have only ever reported two models and it was when I was new. I was watching top models because the site advises it. One model I was shocked to see pissing in her bed and then selling the panties. I quickly learned the owners of the site are aware of it and allow it. The other one was also a top model who is absolutely beautiful and like a barbie doll showing pussy which I also know the site is aware and allows her to do it. It's not that I've become complacent to see rules enforced for one model but not another but more appreciating the privilege of being on it and not wanting to invite trouble. I do wonder why those girls wont move to a site that allows XXX in free chat but it's not enough to pursue an answer.

    I don't drink but never knew it was illegal on cam. Why is it illegal? Also still want to know what a hang out show is.

    Thank you.

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    I don't have anything to add to the open letter. I'm not sure if this should be posted in this thread or a new one but, what is a hang out show? I think I have been doing hang out shows for as long as gold shows became available but this is why I am asking for clarification. The only other thing I wanted to add is not all models who report other models are doing it out of jealously. I take offense to this only because I see a model in this thread who always seems to have something harsh to say when models have an opposing view of her own. Now I see a couple more in this. Streamate tells us as new models to watch other models and learn what works, what doesn't and incorporate that into our own hustle. This is said to us right after we sign an acknowledgement of site rules and a model behavior agreement. There is a difference between trying to maintain a level playing field where we are all held to the same standard and being jealous. Many of us like the standard Streamate sets. If a model is reporting another model, I see it more like a neighborhood watch, I mean who wants to see a home with tall weeds and a broken down truck in the front yard when we all know it devalues the rest of the neighborhood? To me jealousy from another model is when a model enters a chat room anonymously and starts typing words that are antagonistic. I'm pretty sure guys who surf the site with one hand on their dick, trying to get a nut off will not be typing such crap. Those are the guys who go in and out of the chat room before you can greet them. They could care less about typing. I'm positive that 100% of the trolls I've had in my chat are other models and not jonny perv looking for free pussy, and that's usually found in the top two rows or somewhere in between Columbia and page 12.

    The reason Chaterbate and MFC has more traffic is because there are a higher number of surfers looking for free shows which are readily available. It doesn't mean those sites are better. I happen to like the trade in of lower traffic but higher quality traffic.



    I guess I do have something to add to this thread.
    I don't care what people are doing on cam, so much as everyone not being held to the same standards. Not because I'm jealous but because I am forever having to tell people "No, I can't do that, it's against the rules" and having them come back with a list of 5 other people doing that exact same thing. Like, yeah I sell panties but it's against the rules on SM and I can't tell you where to find them so you can buy them because that's against the rules too. And they're like well I bought panties from X, Y and Z this week, you're just lying. Like, first of all, if I'm gonna lie to you its not gonna be about panties. I'm gonna say I'm glad you're here or I like your personality even though you joined 1 gold show 2 years ago and now think we're friends with benefits. Second, it doesn't matter what someone else did, I'm not willing to take that risk. If I say no, then go back to someone who is willing to do whatever it is you're looking for, don't question my character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy0Star View Post
    do you find that XLovecam site has more guys that are willing to pay and theres less begging VS SM i found that there was less begging and rude demanding entitlement issues on Cams.com compared to SM because they dont allow topless either at Cams but i found Cams to be a waste of time its too full of guys who want to talk ur ear off for free with a promise of pvt later and the low % vs guys who ask a few questions then take u pvt like SM .
    XLovecam also has beggars, not more or less than other sites. The good thing is, most of them are French so they just don't sound as rude. In fact, European men in general are more literate so even if they do beg it is not as annoying. You do get some weird requests and fetishes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy0Star View Post
    As far as what happened on CB - i think u got ratted on by a jelly cam model because ur awesome . Sad how ppl have to rat others out for petty shit . I dont think anyone else would have reported you for that other then another performer .
    Waaat? Jelly of little me? Psssh.
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    I think being supportive of one another is the best way to go! Also, don't believe the customers who try to stir up drama between models either. Many will say, "This model said X about you." I don't believe them and shrug it off. I think all of you ladies are wonderful, encouraging, and inspiring. Participating in drama is a waste of time and energy! Spend your time working on being a better you.

    In regards to rules, it's better to just not break them. There will always be someone else who will pay you without putting your job at risk!
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