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    Breaking news...my dream came true. After speaking with a software developer and some logistics I now have the license to run streaming software and manage a cam site.
    It can also be used additionally as a plug in for solo sites as a way to show live cam on your own page. I am being particular about the start up and looking for ladies with certain experience and discipline. There's a 65% payout, catering towards higher rates, and kink/fetish friendly.

    Initially I want to start out with no more than 25-30 ladies when the site is more established. At this time during testing and development I'm looking for a few ladies who have sites or are looking for an alternative.

    So, it exists. It's small at first but it's only me doing all of this. I'm trying to spread the word and also was pushed to actively do something about the recent SM fiasco and figure now would be a time to change things and do what I can.

    And I have an investor for outside traffic but aside from time and energy, this costs only my sanity really.
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    You know we've gotta put you through the ringer with questions and all that jazz, yeah? I'll start, and know that I'm doing it with more love than I've ever managed before.

    Charge backs? Off-site contact? Token or per minute rates?

    How much traffic are we talking about here and where will you focus advertising? As we tell all the prospective owners who come to poke at us in our camgirl-cave, 65% of $0 is still $0.


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    I've been rang before...
    CBs are covered.
    Initially traffic is brought by the models but this is before official open launch. Afterwards it's being purchased and I'm being advised on this.
    It's a private pay per minute based site with a tipping option in free chat. The software initially uses prepurchased tokens or whathaveyou but I'm asking to change it towards a system like streammates where there are no interrupted purchases as I think that has guys spending more time/money in shows.
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    I pushed myself to be proactive about this because of seeing so many struggling. When I'm unhappy with something, I make a new choice or I make something geared towards supporting my goals. I've wanted to do this for a long time and a lot of thought and research have gone into this; it's time to make it happen. Time for a model powered site and one that will treat you with understanding.

    So, I guess I'm surprised there's not as much inquiry. It won't be a fast process but it will be gradual and detailed. The guys that left sites, such as SM, who threw down cash like nothing didn't leave the internet entirely; they still exist but want a site that's quality, top notch, and provides what they are looking for.

    I'm creating design concepts then testing a small group to run streams until all issues have been looked into. I do have requirements for the models but I need those experienced to uphold the site's intention of bringing something sexy yet sophisticated...top shelf...to the internet.

    I also find a lot of big spenders are into BDSM/Fetish so that will be on the site but not exclusively or trying to promote it as such a site.
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    I think the lack of response so far is due to the fact you're still very much in the planning stages--at least based on what I've read. There's not an actual site to evaluate yet, so that's a big part of it.

    I am very curious to see how this goes though and I wish you all the best! I don't have outside traffic to bring at the moment as a predominantly SM model, but talk to me once it's up and running and I'll be happy to add you to my list. I'm looking for some new sites and this sounds similar to SM, which I love.


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    Getting the license the way I was able to and the fact I have to pay no one was simply exciting. Also, this is a project where I want active involvement in parts of the creative process which really boils down to layout and presentation. The 5 at the beginning will help me tinker with ideas that work best bringing something unique upon official launch.

    I think it's a huge step for this to be possible and happening. Many went the indie direction to have more control so why not a site that listens and is a product of it's performers?
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    I'm interested. I love kink/fetish/taboo and would love a site that cater more to that community like KinkLive does but has a much design, better interfaces, cam to cam and actually traffic. How is the ranking system going to be calculated? Will we be allowed to sell content? What are the rules going to be as far as taboo limits and fetish play? How will the models be paid ( biweekly, direct deposit?) I'm all for a female owned cam site and even if I don't join I hope you do great!

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    1. You say you have "requirements" for models -- what are they?

    2. You want a small group of girls to "test" it, and then a slightly large though still small "starting" group, these girls are extremely unlikely to make any money while you tinker, how will they be compensated?

    3. A good site needs AT LEAST 60 girls online at any given time, so having 30 girls total is not going to be that great. Most sites have hundreds of girls online at any moment in any time zone. How are you going to deal with the lack of selection, especially with respect to time zones?

    4. What experience do you have in buying or driving traffic? Will you be relying exclusively on bought traffic?

    5. You mentioned higher rates, are you planning to implement a per minute rate floor, and if you are, what will it be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bootsie View Post
    1. You say you have "requirements" for models -- what are they?

    2. You want a small group of girls to "test" it, and then a slightly large though still small "starting" group, these girls are extremely unlikely to make any money while you tinker, how will they be compensated?

    3. A good site needs AT LEAST 60 girls online at any given time, so having 30 girls total is not going to be that great. Most sites have hundreds of girls online at any moment in any time zone. How are you going to deal with the lack of selection, especially with respect to time zones?

    4. What experience do you have in buying or driving traffic? Will you be relying exclusively on bought traffic?

    5. You mentioned higher rates, are you planning to implement a per minute rate floor, and if you are, what will it be?
    1. Initial requirements, must have previous experience and can provide traffic. These are models who have sites and such also but the ability to branch out and find benefit in one embedded in their site which would also should up on the main cam page.

    2. I'm up front about earnings letting them know it's 65%, It's finding others who want to support this and some pocket change can be made. I'm getting 10%, software license is 10% and billing/accounting is 14%. I basically keeping enough to not lose money building this and my objective isn't to make some huge profit, it's to give a chance for potential and make something that works for those who work for it.

    3. The site will be scheduled as such so that there are models on at every hour. I know many that work nights, late nights, mornings...The interaction will be engaging hence the experienced cam model being preferred and I want it to be a site people return to not just for shows but for interaction. I don't want to run a large site but rather a smaller one with ambitious ladies who could absolutely make it work.

    4. Driving traffic...tons. I get contacted a lot about BDSM/Fetish Education which later leads to the want to explore. I already send people model's ways whenever I can. I will also be bringing my traffic and camming very little initially. The first models bring in traffic and it's also going to be shared in various media. It's what works best and what I find out.

    5. 3.99 is the minimum. Max is 9.99. Most models I know do not charge lower than that anyways.

    I have a payroll/accounting bit of the software that pays out every 2 weeks. Understanding what I'm working with and knowing what moves to take to bring the most success is what I'm aiming for by the initial stages. There are some smaller sites that still have traffic and do well because it suits certain needs. I know a few that need to be covered and what could bring the big spenders of yonder year back to the digital age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolaBohemia View Post
    1. Initial requirements, must have previous experience and can provide traffic. These are models who have sites and such also but the ability to branch out and find benefit in one embedded in their site which would also should up on the main cam page.

    2. I'm up front about earnings letting them know it's 65%, It's finding others who want to support this and some pocket change can be made. I'm getting 10%, software license is 10% and billing/accounting is 14%. I basically keeping enough to not lose money building this and my objective isn't to make some huge profit, it's to give a chance for potential and make something that works for those who work for it.

    3. The site will be scheduled as such so that there are models on at every hour. I know many that work nights, late nights, mornings...The interaction will be engaging hence the experienced cam model being preferred and I want it to be a site people return to not just for shows but for interaction. I don't want to run a large site but rather a smaller one with ambitious ladies who could absolutely make it work.

    4. Driving traffic...tons. I get contacted a lot about BDSM/Fetish Education which later leads to the want to explore. I already send people model's ways whenever I can. I will also be bringing my traffic and camming very little initially. The first models bring in traffic and it's also going to be shared in various media. It's what works best and what I find out.

    5. 3.99 is the minimum. Max is 9.99. Most models I know do not charge lower than that anyways.

    6.I have a payroll/accounting bit of the software that pays out every 2 weeks. Understanding what I'm working with and knowing what moves to take to bring the most success is what I'm aiming for by the initial stages. There are some smaller sites that still have traffic and do well because it suits certain needs. I know a few that need to be covered and what could bring the big spenders of yonder year back to the digital age.
    1. So the models who have spent time building their own traffic will bring them to you and a site with OTHER OPTIONS where their traffic could leak to other models?

    2. 65% of $0 is still $0. And why would they drive traffic to your site for 65% when they could push their traffic to CMD for 75% or LCMS for 85% and not have to suffer free chat? I am confused as to why any model would join at the start when there are 5 girls, and continue with 25 girls, when the traffic won't be there, and why would they bust it hard to send their own traffic there when they can get more elsewhere?

    3. If you are scheduling models, you are walking a fine line of having employees vs contractors. Also, what happens if, like me, they don't have a solid schedule? What if your 2 morning girls switch to nights?

    4. Getting contacted about BDSM & Fetish Ed and sending guys to camgirls is really not driving the kind of traffic you need to get spenders. Also, why would you not be camming on your own site? And what kind of traffic have you already got that you could redirect? You need THOUSANDS of uniques to get a handful of spenders.

    5. Why are you putting a maximum in place?

    6. (I added this one) What smaller sites are you referring to that "do well"? What is your measure of "doing well"--still available? Models reporting income? Also, what are the "few that need to be covered", and how to you plan to "bring the big spenders of yonder year back to the digital age"?

    This feels like a very premature announcement, and your answers all seem to be "this only works for models who will work it". Why would a model sign up somewhere the site is relying completely on them to generate traffic? If I have to bust my hump to get eyeballs on me, I would rather get a higher payout, and you are competing with indy processors like LCMS and CMD when you start talking about girls bringing their own traffic.

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    I think, like Katy said above, there has to be a reason for models to join your site. What service are you providing US that is advantageous for us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LolaBohemia View Post
    1. Initial requirements, must have previous experience and can provide traffic. These are models who have sites and such also but the ability to branch out and find benefit in one embedded in their site which would also should up on the main cam page.
    I think the problem is that if you are looking for a cam girl that already had previous experience and can provide traffic then what you are pretty much looking for is an established independent camgirl and an established independent camgirl isn't going to have much use for a 'box site'.

    Since there is already many pre-existing ways to embed camming software into indy camgirls homesites what you are pretty much asking camgirls to do is to bring their traffic to a site in 'good faith' for a future pay-off.

    I know a lot of girls are now once bitten, twice shy over the CMD thing since they essentially got a bunch of girls to take a chance and start driving their traffic over and then later started up a bidding system that was essentially for that traffic that was brought over in good faith. I am in no way saying that that is something that you are going to do....I am just trying to be kind in explaining why I there has not as much inquiry since it is essentially a lot of time/risk on the camgirl's side for the promise of future gain.

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    Initially, they bring their own. Afterwards, I am consulting with someone more knowledgable about that area. Remember, I'm one woman running this ENTIRE thing.
    When I started on SM in 2012 I was rockin' it. Long shows, fat tips, polite gentlemen, loved it. Where'd they go?
    Some have actually found me in some places. Same is true for some others. Also, this chat can be integrated into a solo site as well as being a collective.
    The Fetish niche spends a lot and sometimes the layout and comfort of a site interface works better.
    This could go tits up but I put my all into it. I want to see something out there that works and I'm willing to take the time to work with it, with others, and fine tune.

    I mentioned it early because it was official. As soon as the name is solid I get the license and could create a run of the mill site there but that's not the objective.

    They can pick their own schedule I just ask for some idea of consistency.

    Considering the years I've been involved in BDSM, conventions I've attended and spoken at, and a huge following of kinksters, it's a start. There will be some non-fetish focused models as the focus is top shelf, great quality, and unique models. I've been talking about this for years and it's finally able to so yeah, I mentioned it because I'm proud of my dedication, effort, and passion to give models more power and creative freedom over their shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    I think the problem is that if you are looking for a cam girl that already had previous experience and can provide traffic then what you are pretty much looking for is an established independent camgirl and an established independent camgirl isn't going to have much use for a 'box site'.

    Since there is already many pre-existing ways to embed camming software into indy camgirls homesites what you are pretty much asking camgirls to do is to bring their traffic to a site in 'good faith' for a future pay-off.

    I know a lot of girls are now once bitten, twice shy over the CMD thing since they essentially got a bunch of girls to take a chance and start driving their traffic over and then later started up a bidding system that was essentially for that traffic that was brought over in good faith. I am in no way saying that that is something that you are going to do....I am just trying to be kind in explaining why I there has not as much inquiry since it is essentially a lot of time/risk on the camgirl's side for the promise of future gain.
    most interested in testing this out are not indie actually. Also, I would be handling some other aspects of the site and incorporating creative ideas.
    The attraction in joining the site is working with a female webmaster and having models be a part of how the site can be shaped and altered. I want to give more power to the models, within reason. This is basically the freedom many have wanted for years and it's possible. This is me putting forth my knowledge for positive change. When 25-30 are on the sites will be linked and the main cam site will be the main focus.
    Again, one woman here, I can't go poof and there's awesome.

    Basically the SM issues and girls not doing well inspired this. I was certain I could make some sort of change and one that was empowering. I have other professionals to question about aspects of the site who have done this so that's all covered.

    I would hope my background and certain references would clear up any intent on a secret agenda. I expected criticism but there are just as many who want to give it a go. If anything is lost, its the hours I put into this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolaBohemia View Post
    most interested in testing this out are not indie actually. Also, I would be handling some other aspects of the site and incorporating creative ideas.
    The attraction in joining the site is working with a female webmaster and having models be a part of how the site can be shaped and altered. I want to give more power to the models, within reason. This is basically the freedom many have wanted for years and it's possible. This is me putting forth my knowledge for positive change. When 25-30 are on the sites will be linked and the main cam site will be the main focus.
    Again, one woman here, I can't go poof and there's awesome.

    Basically the SM issues and girls not doing well inspired this. I was certain I could make some sort of change and one that was empowering. I have other professionals to question about aspects of the site who have done this so that's all covered.

    I would hope my background and certain references would clear up any intent on a secret agenda. I expected criticism but there are just as many who want to give it a go. If anything is lost, its the hours I put into this.
    At the risk of sounding naive.....if they aren't indy where are they getting their traffic from?

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    previous clients from older sites, ones they've seen in passing. basically these aren't models coming from an indie site.
    ive run into some from years ago in the strangest of places with them trying to look for me. I have a lot of regulars and they have all been pretty faithful because apparently their experience impacted them greatly.
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    I think LolaBohemia means if a cam girl who does well on Streamate/MFC/CB etc. decides to join up with this site, she will have the power to bring her regular traffic over to LolaBohemia's site. She will be able to tweet, insta, snap, kik, etc. to her followers to get them to try out the new site.

    I think a cam girl run site would do well if it were run by very well known, established cam girls with big fanbases. Kudos to Lola though for taking on this gargantuan project. You are very brave.
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    Well first off, congratulations it sounds like you are excited and that is awesome! I have said many times that the one thing that frustrates me is that the industry is run by men but faced by women. So this is awesome and I support you wholeheartedly.

    One point that a lot of people are raising is traffic and as a big box site only type who charges high rates on SM I can say this is without doubt the kicker. If you want the big box crowd you need the big box traffic. Sure some models have decentish twitter following and social media reach but that is not going to bring traffic in any quantity even close to required in servicing 5 models let alone 25.... Plus what other people are saying is that if these models could use there reach to drive traffic then they would drive it to indy sites with a larger %.

    Now if we think about the two largest private sites, Jasmin and SM, what do they have in common... Affiliates. The Jasmin affiliates earn more than the models and the SM ones earn the same as many models. I am sure that most girls would be happy with a lower percentage but with more traffic, maybe starting with 45% and set up a 20% affiliate program. I am thinking out loud here. Get on Blackhat and GFY and poke around talked to the users on there and get some feedback and ideas. Traffic will get you models faster than percentages... just ask SM.

    P.s. If I meet the criteria I would definitely be interested in what you are moving towards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    I think LolaBohemia means if a cam girl who does well on Streamate/MFC/CB etc. decides to join up with this site, she will have the power to bring her regular traffic over to LolaBohemia's site. She will be able to tweet, insta, snap, kik, etc. to her followers to get them to try out the new site.

    I think a cam girl run site would do well if it were run by very well known, established cam girls with big fanbases. Kudos to Lola though for taking on this gargantuan project. You are very brave.
    Edited to clarify: I can understand that but if you are driving your own personal traffic with social media to market yourself then you have now left the 'big box only' realm and have entered more into the grey area of indy since you are now doing personal based marketing instead of marketing only for the big box site. I know that basically it comes down to semantics but hopefully that make sense.

    I don't want anyone to think I am directly criticizing LolaBohemia. I do think it is very brave to take on a project of this size on your own but that doesn't change that it is also very hard to manage a project of this size on your own well. I wish her nothing but success but I feel as if I would be doing her a disservice by not mentioning these things.
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    This is mainly a niche based site, reason why big box sites succeed is because they don't micro-niche things out. Once upon a time, C4S tried to have camming on it. Didn't work out. All 3 bbw niche cam sites have failed, even though they were ran by men, it isn't the main reason they failed. It failed because it was a micro-niche market.

    Keeping in mind, can't send my fan base to a new site that I can't or wouldn't sit on for hours incase they popped up there. Time is money. I can't throw money away that I can earn with a big box site. Let us not forget, if I bring in my own traffic on SM I get the 40% & extra 20%. Built that up to a nice group of guys. SM already rewards me enough for my own marketing skills.

    You need affiliates to bring in traffic. Affiliates want 30%, 50% if not more for a new site. You have to buy traffic, you don't have that built into your business model. Asking well established girls to make this their focus over projects that already bring in money won't happen.

    The demands girls will want as far as I am concern Model Centro already delivers. Many solo models have already switched to their platform & are happy with it. It is easy to cam on that site with the technology already provided. I find girls who want a bigger piece of the pie find a way already to be independents. The ones who complain the most about cam site percentages, I find put very little time in actually camming.

    There are tags on big box sites for men to find the performers who do fetish.

    While your heart is in the right place, you have spent several years trying to get this off the ground. Time wasted. Success speaks the loudest. Go out & become the most money making fetish model on the web. Lead by success. You want to help others, but give advice when asked and then move on. There are many girls on cam sites that don't make money, despite all the advice written on SW they won't because they don't put in the hours or work it takes to be a success. Yes, they want a bigger percentage, but a bigger percentage of that one hour a week they do manage to cam.

    Save yourself a lot of time & effort. Do your own projects & dump this one.

    It isn't about being a female owned business. Doesn't matter when one is putting checks in the bank, who wrote them a man or woman.

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    I'm down for this...niche sites are my thing, I always seem to do WAY better on the random fringe sites than the big box ones. If I meet the criteria I'd be down for trying this as I like the whole expansion thing so I'll be following this with interest.

    I think all the ladies above have voiced my concerns as well, so I'll be keeping an eye out on that as well. Thank you though for doing something, its really admirable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    I think the problem is that if you are looking for a cam girl that already had previous experience and can provide traffic then what you are pretty much looking for is an established independent camgirl and an established independent camgirl isn't going to have much use for a 'box site'.

    Since there is already many pre-existing ways to embed camming software into indy camgirls homesites what you are pretty much asking camgirls to do is to bring their traffic to a site in 'good faith' for a future pay-off.

    I know a lot of girls are now once bitten, twice shy over the CMD thing since they essentially got a bunch of girls to take a chance and start driving their traffic over and then later started up a bidding system that was essentially for that traffic that was brought over in good faith. I am in no way saying that that is something that you are going to do....I am just trying to be kind in explaining why I there has not as much inquiry since it is essentially a lot of time/risk on the camgirl's side for the promise of future gain.
    Not to hijack but

    @ the bold

    I must have missed this, what happened with CMD? I thought it was a good and reputable site. Is this talked about in the CMD thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blovely View Post
    Not to hijack but

    @ the bold

    I must have missed this, what happened with CMD? I thought it was a good and reputable site. Is this talked about in the CMD thread?
    CMD is still a good and reputable site.

    But, yes it was talked about CMD thread after bidding was introduced that it was kind of unfair for all the early adopter girls who had brought their own traffic with them to now have to be forced to bid for traffic.

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    Im just going to reiterate what Sam said because I am a vet cammer and Porn star with my own following so Im thinking your looking for someone like me to move over to your site but SM gives me 60% for any traffic I have brought to them under my cammodels link and I charge more then your maximum price. So! Even making 5% more from you on each client I bring I would be making less money cause I can only charge $9.99 a min.

    Also its a big risk to move over to another site that does not yet have traffic in the hopes that it will because we all know that each client has an expiration date so it would be like fighting against the clock between when a client was about to expire and when you plan to get more traffic.

    That all said Im really excited for you to have started this and I will be following you to see where it goes! There is always room in this industry for new ideas so keep at it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    I think LolaBohemia means if a cam girl who does well on Streamate/MFC/CB etc. decides to join up with this site, she will have the power to bring her regular traffic over to LolaBohemia's site. She will be able to tweet, insta, snap, kik, etc. to her followers to get them to try out the new site.

    I think a cam girl run site would do well if it were run by very well known, established cam girls with big fanbases. Kudos to Lola though for taking on this gargantuan project. You are very brave.
    Thanks so much for this. It is scary and I'm dedicating a lot to it. I don't want to be on the performer side but rather "the evil genius behind the curtain". I want to create, bring to life innovative ideas that change how we experience life and even specifically, the way eroticism can be conveyed digitally and hopefully bring awareness and education stomping out the screwy sexual stigmas in our society.

    At the least I can provide an option for a handful of ladies should something large not be feasible but I won't doubt myself until I see it's simply not something I'm capable of doing with my resources.
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