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    @Luna66: thanks for the tip

    May I ask you regarding LCMS:

    - Have you got the ability to set recurring payment: for example $30 / month for your customer?

    - Are you chargeback protected?

    - Would you generate generate a payment page for me to pay you so I can see how it looks like? An amount like 5-10€ if that suits you? Please send me a PM if interested.


    Have a nice day,
    Gérald
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    @Luna66: thanks for the tip

    May I ask you regarding LCMS:

    - Have you got the ability to set recurring payment: for example $30 / month for your customer?

    - Are you chargeback protected?

    - Would you generate generate a payment page for me to pay you so I can see how it looks like? An amount like 5-10€ if that suits you? Please send me a PM or a mail directly at billoir.gerald @gmail.com if interested.


    Have a nice day,
    Gérald
    Wow. You are asking one of us to help you spy on LCMS by seeing how their payment page works? and for 5 to 10 euros?
    I hope nobody does this.


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    Thanks LaurieLegs, I wasn't really sure how to respond! Ridiculous.

    Gerald, in answer to your other questions, no I can't set up a recurring payment as far as I know, but I wouldn't want to. If you were running a clip subscription site this would be relevant, but as your site is focused on custom videos, I don't see why a recurring payment system would be needed.

    Direct quote regarding chargebacks from the webmaster of LCMS from a thread on this forum:

    "thus far LCMS has had two cb's. The first I challenged with Visa and won (with my own merchant account I can do that) , and with the second I worked out a repayment plan with an obvious friendly fraud client after I threatened to sue him. LCMS has an aggressive cb dispute policy and thus far its working; both chicas subject to cb's have kept the money."

    But as you're not providing traffic and you're asking us to bring our own established, trusted regulars who've been buying from us for months/years without doing chargebacks, again I don't see how it's relevant.

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    Hello,

    It is not spying to access publicly available information -.-'

    They work with Orbitalpay and have the basic version of the payment page.

    What I wanted to see how you can send me a payment request, i.e. can you send me a link which leads directly to a payment page where I can pay you the custom amount you are requesting.

    Btw, 84% of LCMS is from CA, we are launching an EU product, so please do not go go crazy about the spying thing. This is ridiculous.


    Actually I've been chatting with models on ACF as well, and it would appear the form for custom videos interests no one without traffic. The payment part on the other hand, in particular conveniently having customers paying an indie model via credit card though had more interest. So with the various feedbacks we collected, we decided to focus on payments only and hatched out the following product:

    Custom Payment Pages.png

    Basically once you are signed up, you could:

    1) Set an amount you want to receive
    2) Enter a description for the transaction
    3) Click "Generate payment page" and get an URL to send over to your customer.

    As soon as the customers pay we let you know, we add a processing fee over your chosen amount but you do receive 100% of what you ask.

    The benefits of the product are:

    - chargeback protection (I got to discuss this a lot with ACF models, and figured we'd better charge customers a bit more on every transaction and protect models from chargebacks - kinda like an insurance -) EDIT: I have just noticed this wireframes is from before this decision, please do not take 3D secure into account!

    - you will have the ability to process credit cards, without any upfront cost of engagement.

    - you will be able to generate a payment form for any content or service you sell (not just customs), whether it is a direct sale - for example if a customer contacts you by email for a Skype show, you can send him back a payment link - or on your website.

    - it will work from mobile, both generating the URL to a payment page and paying for the customer

    - you will be able to ask for recurring payments (day / week / month), and we will update you about how it went (in particular if some payments did not work we'll let you which customers to contact them and fix the issue)

    - a low vendor cut compared to industry standards, allowing you to keep more from your sale (we should add between 15 to 25% on top of your requested amount)
    --> I know giftcards is 100%; but it is not real money (except Giftrocket in US), it cannot be recurring, and you cannot sell a content for a giftcard on your website

    - it will be really easy in convenient, set up a payment page in a minute, get to know as soon as it is paid

    - Payments will be processed by a secure and reliable third party - we will not have credit card information etc. -


    This is why I was asking, if you would like to share input about this product idea and whether or not it would come handy to you it would be awesome.

    Have a nice day,
    Gérald

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    That's not a terrible idea. I won't be using it for the following reasons (aside from the fact that I already have a payment processor i'm happy with).

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    - chargeback protection (I got to discuss this a lot with ACF models, and figured we'd better charge customers a bit more on every transaction and protect models from chargebacks - kinda like an insurance -)
    I'd rather not be protected from chargebacks than have my customers charged extra in order to protect less experienced girls who can't recognise a fraudulent client. This is not meant in any way to be offensive to less experienced girls (hell i've been there myself) but in this business (and any business really), it's all about getting the best deal you can for yourself. Also, I really hate the "you get 100% of what you ask for" business model, I really really do. Another site has it too (customs4you I think?). We're not getting 100% of what the guy is paying, you're charging him extra and it's just confusing for both parties. I would get confused and either over or under charge my regulars who have been with me for a long time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    - a low vendor cut compared to industry standards, allowing you to keep more from your sale (we should add between 15 to 25% on top of your requested amount)
    So we're getting 75-85% of what they're paying. Not so confident about the 85% now? Is that because of your chargeback "insurance"? There are plenty of fully established, popular sites that pay 75% AND provide traffic (CMD, Skyprivate, tributes on most clips sites including c4s, kinkbomb etc).

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    - Payments will be processed by a secure and reliable third party - we will not have credit card information etc. -
    *Controversial opinion alert* I am happy about the fact that on clips4sale, LCMS and many other places I get some information on the customer when he makes a payment. I have to put my face, my location, my voice, everything about myself out there for potential stalkers to find (and believe me, they have) and I like having some info on them in return. Not that I would ever use it except in a situation where I was being stalked/blackmailed/harassed etc.


    I think maybe one thing that I am failing to get across here is that you are NEW. You may have a website idea that encompasses all the positive aspects of my favourite sites and none of the negative aspects, but I don't know you and I don't trust you. I (and a lot of girls, especially on this forum) will not sign up to something unless it is established and has positive reviews from girls. The exception being LCMS because it's run by a girl who's been on these forums and in the business a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna66 View Post
    ............

    I think maybe one thing that I am failing to get across here is that you are NEW. You may have a website idea that encompasses all the positive aspects of my favourite sites and none of the negative aspects, but I don't know you and I don't trust you. I (and a lot of girls, especially on this forum) will not sign up to something unless it is established and has positive reviews from girls. The exception being LCMS because it's run by a girl who's been on these forums and in the business a long time.

    thread reminds me of the movie 'Go' with Timothy Olyphant;
    Ronna: I need a favor.
    Todd: Wow, I didn't know we'd become such good friends, because if we had, you'd know that I give head before I give favors and I don't even give my best friends head so your chances of getting a favor are pretty fucking slim.

    No offence to the OP but I could just see these responses coming from a mile away.
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    Hello,

    Quote Originally Posted by luna66
    I'd rather not be protected from chargebacks than have my customers charged extra in order to protect less experienced girls who can't recognise a fraudulent client.
    Nice, you are pretty much the first model arguing in this way. I would also much prefer something like these because it aligns our interests: with chargeback protection a model can take benefits of processing fraudulent clients and not care about it. Which would terrible for us. Though it would appear that "no chargeback protection" is a no go for most models.

    What could be interesting maybe, would be to have it as an insurance to which one subscribe: if you tick-in "I want to be chargeback protected" then we add the extra 3-5% on your requested amounts for it.


    Quote Originally Posted by luna66
    you get 100% of what you ask for" business model, I really really do. Another site has it too (customs4you I think?). We're not getting 100% of what the guy is paying, you're charging him extra and it's just confusing for both parties.
    Yes you are right about customs4u, they add 43% extra fee on top of models requested amount, which results in a 70% revshare.

    Not that I particularly prefer this method, but I've noticed it is preferred overall. It is also the standard way to go in many mainstream marketplaces where you sell stuff, like AirBNB.

    You could input either what you want to receive, and we'd tell you what the client will have to pay, or input what you want the customer to pay, and we'd tell you will receive.


    Quote Originally Posted by luna66
    So we're getting 75-85% of what they're paying. Not so confident about the 85% now? Is that because of your chargeback "insurance"?
    You cannot calculate exactly like that, you have to adjust for the "on-top" effect.

    If you want to receive $100, and we add 15% on-top, then we bill your customer $115. It results in 87% revshare.

    If you want to receive $100, and we add 25% on-top, then we will your customer $125. It results in 80% revshare.

    I'm still confident in the ~85%. Without protecting against chargebacks it is much easier to offer indeed.


    Quote Originally Posted by luna66
    There are plenty of fully established, popular sites that pay 75% AND provide traffic (CMD, Skyprivate, tributes on most clips sites including c4s, kinkbomb etc).
    Here the goal would be only to propose a convenient and interesting payment method, it would not have traffic but a higher revenue share and features which those sites do not offer you: get payments from your website, recurring ones etc.

    What payment processor do you currently use? Epoch? Do you have to pay the $500 / $1000 VISA / MC yearly registration fees?


    What does those places you are mentioning communicate you about the customer? We would not process the sensible financial data, but we'd have the rest.


    Quote Originally Posted by luna66
    you are NEW [...] I don't know you and I don't trust you.
    Well everyone has to get started, and it's pretty normal you do not trust me: you have no reason to. I am glad you still decided to engage with me and share about your experience. So thanks!

    Hopefully when we have something to show, some models will notice it is made with attention to details and decide to give it a try, otherwise there won't be any review ever

    Have a nice day,
    Gérald

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    I think your best bet would have been to come on THIS forum closer to your site going live. You could have laid out how the site works, answered/ made clarifications for any questions that arise, and contemplated/ implemented future site changes based on constructive criticism. Models would make their decision and either sign up or stick with their current options based on the info YOU give US. Right now we are commenting in circles about a completely hypothetical website that has 0 traffic.

    Again, I think your best bet would have been to come on THIS forum closer to your site going live. This is not the only thread this has happened in. Threads about hypothetical/ work in progress sites get double the criticism (IMO) on this site because there isn't an actual working business model. That puts us in skeptical mode and we question EVERYTHING. Everyone wants to put in their two cents (myself included at one point) and have the features they like included to the final design.

    At this point, I believe this thread is just causing confusion. At least I'm getting confused because in one post you have things going one way, then in another post, you will ask for approval on a change to the previous idea, then it changes again. I really don't care about 1/2 the stuff in this thread at this point because who knows if this site will ever get out of the developmental stage. I'm here for the snarky remarks and just waiting for the train to jump off the rails, sorry if I sound like an asshole.

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    Hello Aurora14,

    No problem, your point is partially correct: talking later in the development process gives more results than now.

    But I disagree when you say it's going in circle: the original discussion was about offering a form for receiving custom video requests while we are now talking about a payment solution. There has definitely been change occurring!

    You and other models questioning everything is excellent for us! We are looking at what questions arise the more often, what is the order of priority, in a nutshell: we are learning a lot about how you think and see things. When everyone is putting his 2 cents, patterns can be noticed and that help us create a better software.

    If you are confused about some stuff I'd be glad to clarify it for you?

    Have a nice trip in train!

    Gérald

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna66 View Post
    I think maybe one thing that I am failing to get across here is that you are NEW. You may have a website idea that encompasses all the positive aspects of my favourite sites and none of the negative aspects, but I don't know you and I don't trust you.
    ^^^This is really a huge part of the issue. That, plus this attitude towards us like we have no respect for our customers and no loyalty to the sites we're already working on makes me very cautious to get onboard here.

    NO I will not send you my customers' private correspondence with me and NO I will not tell you how the small sites I work on function. And NO I would not send someone a pre-made video when they thought they were ordering a custom video for 10x the price!! Maybe I'm alone in this and maybe I'm crazy. But I am personally offended by the implications here.


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    What Scarlett said ^^





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    I want to add something about the "chargeback protection." How I protect myself from chargebacks is I require half of the payment for the video request upfront. Including payment for any special requested items. Then give me 3-4 days, and I'll let you know when the video is complete and send me the remainder when it is complete. Vid will be sent when I get authorization. It's usually the people with stolen credit cards or planing to chargeback who has a problem with this. It's easier to dispute one large charge instead of two smaller ones in the span of 3-4 days.

    Guys will see this extra charge protection and some may get the wrong idea. I really don't see it as a smart way to go about things. With SM, I have no problem with the 35% because I'm protected by chargebacks.





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    ^^^That is really smart. I'd never thought about breaking it up into two payments like that but I may start doing it, especially with new guys.


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    @Scarlett sorry, I did not mean to show attitude!

    Unless I am crazy, a guy who is paying for a custom does so because he believes it's a way for him to get something he'll truly like. If it happens to be you have already made something in the past (which is not accessible publicly) that will achieve this goal, I do not see it as disrespect.. I see it as being damn efficient! He might even be happier as he would get it quicker!

    As for loyalty to sites, I am not sure to understand what you mean. Would you rather keep using a site which you worked with for years instead of a new site which could bring you better results, even if you knew for sure the new site would bring you better results?

    I do not really understand either about the private communication, since I just wanted the anonymous text nor about refusing to share information about small sites you work this. Information is public, by relating your experience with it we can improve what you like / fix what is broken, and it's a big world out there: it's not because I start making business that LCMS will lose its own. So well, we see the world differently but I hope at some point you could trust me nonetheless!

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    I find it morally wrong to send someone a pre-made video (which I usually charge $10 for) when they think they're purchasing a custom video and paying $100 for it. If someone sent me a custom request and I already had a similar video I would definitely offer it to them, but I would never lie to them about it. How is lying to your customers good business practice?!

    What I mean by loyalty to sites is that I have an established relationship with the site owners, I'm happy with them, and I don't want to throw them under the bus. Would you seriously spread private info about a long-term business partner to some random new person?! I certainly wouldn't.

    It seems like you don't understand the level of trust that exists between me and my customers. I have a feeling that no matter what I say, you won't get it, but I'll try. These men TRUST me and PAY ME to read their deepest fantasies and KEEP IT BETWEEN THE TWO OF US. There is no way in hell that I'm going to betray their trust to anyone, much less some rando on the internet.


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    Ok I kinda understand your point of view concerning custom videos. But would you really turn $100 and making the custom into $10 and sending a recorded video? That sounds anti-natural business wise, although it could definitely develop/maintain a high level of trust with the customer and hence get him purchase much more.

    I do not think it's lying to a customer to sell them a video which achieves their desired goal, it is fulfilling his expectations and contractually sound - except if he plays extra for exclusivity -. Morale is not something I care much about, I got people annoying me every so often because of it, and I am sure you too!

    Quote Originally Posted by scarlettbelle
    Would you seriously spread private info about a long-term business partner to some random new person?
    Private is the keyword there.. I have not been asking for private information, I have been asking for perfectly public info.


    As for the trust, I think I understand partly. What you are saying totally makes sense, but I do not see how sharing information in an anonymous way would be betrayal: no one could know who it comes from, so no secret would be revealed and it would remain between the two of you. It is literally impossible to relate information you could share to people it could originate from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    Private is the keyword there.. I have not been asking for private information, I have been asking for perfectly public info.
    You asked us for our PRIVATE email correspondence with our customers. That is 100% private and I wouldn't release it if you paid me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    Ok I kinda understand your point of view concerning custom videos. But would you really turn $100 and making the custom into $10 and sending a recorded video? That sounds anti-natural business wise
    Business is all about money, but you cannot get money without a good reputation and trust. If you don't understand that, I don't know what to tell you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    Morale [he meant morals] is not something I care much about, I got people annoying me every so often because of it, and I am sure you too!
    Well you've just put the nail in your own coffin there. I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever (get the point yet?) work with someone who doesn't care about morals. If you don't care about morals and only about money, what if one of my stalkers asked you for my real, private information (name, address etc) in exchange for a large amount of money? I would not trust you to say no to that offer. I've been trying to keep my cool here but how stupid do you have to be to admit to the models you intend to work with that you don't care about morals?! Fuck.

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    Hello,

    I am sorry we are getting in this kind of a fight, it was definitely not my intention. Apologies.

    It also proves poor communication skills on my end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald
    Would you consider selling the requests you saved maybe? (just the text, not the emails of course)
    I really always asked for the body of the emails, never for any information that could allow to identify anyone. And I did not ask for your replies, nor the for the ongoing discussion. Just the requests initially sent.

    From my perspective I do not see a big problem with that, but indeed it is your perspective which matters there as it is your emails.


    Selling to a customer a video which fulfills his custom request, but was already existing - yet not publicly available - would not damage your business reputation as he could not know about it. Telling him you have a recorded one which should totally suit him and that you are willing to sell 10 times cheaper would indeed definitely improve your reputation though.


    Thanks for correcting my spelling. I am not sure if the word "morals" holds exactly the same meaning in french and english, in french it designates an ensemble of judgments, rules of conduct related to good/evil, duties & values which a community has. If morals was the fundamental for business that would not be very great... as different groups of people could hardly deal together.

    I care about contracts, enforcing them and being responsible for them. When a customer asks for a custom video, the contract/deal is that he should get a video matching ~exactly~ his requirements and he is willing to spend large amount of money for it. In that case selling an already made video fulfills the contract. From what I have read on Stripperweb, rarely are custom videos asking for "exclusivity", and in that case it comes at a premium. It changes the nature of the contract and what I proposed is unacceptable.

    I've also read that models sell a custom video to a customer, and if it is not too custom (like moaning his name) then the video is also sold on clip stores. Why is this morally acceptable according to you?

    The fact I would not sell, nor allow anyone in my company, to sell personal data about models signing up to our product will be written in a contract. If I were to breach it, but I won't, you should sue and tear me to pieces.


    People have always been doing a lot of nasty shit in this world carrying around their morals and perspective on good or bad. I'd take someone caring about contracts and what he says he will do/not do for dealing over someone caring about his own moral and perspective on good or bad anytime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    I've also read that models sell a custom video to a customer, and if it is not too custom (like moaning his name) then the video is also sold on clip stores. Why is this morally acceptable according to you?

    Clients pay an extra charge if they want the clip to be exclusive. If this charge is not paid then it is understood the clip will be resold across all sites.

    I'm amazed how clueless you are about the clip business. You do not even know the basics yet you are trying to start a business.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    I really always asked for the body of the emails, never for any information that could allow to identify anyone. And I did not ask for your replies, nor the for the ongoing discussion. Just the requests initially sent.
    THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. If you cannot understand that, I don't think it's a language barrier, you are just dense. Very very dense.
    Because guess what, those emails are private. These are our private emails. justsometwat in post #4 actually gave you examples of emails we can expect. She was pretty satirical, but honestly that's 3 good examples of what we get.

    If you weren't looking for a discussion, then you shouldn't of replied. Simple.
    If you are not getting what you want from us, you should probably leave this thread to die in the backpages. Come back when you have your site ready, Let's see the finish product. Then that will be the real test



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    I really always asked for the body of the emails, never for any information that could allow to identify anyone. And I did not ask for your replies, nor the for the ongoing discussion. Just the requests initially sent.
    That's still private information that my customers send in confidence, trusting me not to release it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    Selling to a customer a video which fulfills his custom request, but was already existing - yet not publicly available - would not damage your business reputation as he could not know about it.
    There are a lot of things that banks, fast food restaurants and all types of businesses did that "wouldn't be found out" that got found out. Regardless of whether it would be found out or not, it's not the right thing to do. I wouldn't feel right with $100 in my pocket knowing that it should only be $10.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    If morals was the fundamental for business that would not be very great... as different groups of people could hardly deal together.
    There is one moral that is pretty much universal. Tell the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    When a customer asks for a custom video, the contract/deal is that he should get a video matching ~exactly~ his requirements and he is willing to spend large amount of money for it. In that case selling an already made video fulfills the contract.
    Not true, the deal is he's getting FRESH content made specially for him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    I've also read that models sell a custom video to a customer, and if it is not too custom (like moaning his name) then the video is also sold on clip stores. Why is this morally acceptable according to you?
    Because he knows it's happening!!! I give him the options of an exclusive or re-sellable custom video, he chooses re-sellable. He knows what's going on, he knows what he's paying for. Selling him a pre-made video and saying it's a "custom" is lying, he doesn't know it's happening and if he knew it was happening, my bet is he wouldn't be happy paying $100+ for it!

    I 100% agree with LaurieLegs, you need to do more research. But I don't think that will help, having no morals is a pretty big hurdle to jump over. I certainly don't ever intend to work with you, I think your business will fail and i'm mad at myself for spending so much time crafting helpful responses in this thread to someone who's not taking any of it on board.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audritwo View Post
    Because guess what, those emails are private. These are our private emails. justsometwat in post #4 actually gave you examples of emails we can expect. She was pretty satirical, but honestly that's 3 good examples of what we get.
    The sad thing is that no matter how weird what I said was, I have and I know others have gotten emails very similar to the weird as examples I wrote about.

    Hell, I got one email that the guy wanted me to pretend to be an alien woman, running through an alleyway while being chased by someone, then they "shoot" me with a gun and take my limp body to their home where they tie me up while they molest me and bring in another woman to molest me. He wanted full costumes, outdoor filming, and a third person to join. He wanted all of it filmed like a syfy movie, complete with full dialogue. It was literally a 5 page long script. He thought $20 was good enough.

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    I wasn't going to say anything else in this thread, but him repeatedly mentioning ACF set me off. If they are so helpful there, then why doesn't he stay there? I was on that forum for a few years and ended up deleting my account after being attacked repeatedly for no reason. It's fucking toxic over there, so I am shocked he's being greeted with open arms.

    I don't tell people that I am going to resell their custom videos. In the ~5 years I have been doing this only three people have ever asked for me not to resell their videos. When I told them that I charge a lot more for that, they told me if was fine and I was able to sell the video at no extra cost to them. They are my videos, the person might be emailing me with their script or requests, but I did all of the work on them. I think 99% of customers know you're going to resell them and its not a big deal to them. They don't care, they actually want us to make more money on our videos!

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs
    Clients pay an extra charge if they want the clip to be exclusive. If this charge is not paid then it is understood the clip will be resold across all sites.

    I'm amazed how clueless you are about the clip business. You do not even know the basics yet you are trying to start a business.

    I know that. It's even written in my post..

    The point of the question was: if customs purchased by customer are not exclusive (except when a premium is paid for), why would a custom video have to be made exclusively for the customer requesting it (except when a premium is paid for)? There is the making of it, and the distribution of it.

    I thought it's ok to sell the guy something you've made for someone else originally, is not publicly available, and fulfills his request. As it is ok to sell the guy something you've made specially for him and then distribute it publicly. I understand that this is not the case from models' perspective, which I am fine with. I guess the problem comes from the meaning of the word "custom". If it was called something like "on demand video", i.e. getting a video which fulfills your demand, it'd be fine.


    Quote Originally Posted by audritwo
    THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. If you cannot understand that, I don't think it's a language barrier, you are just dense. Very very dense.
    I understand you have a problem with it, no problem!


    Quote Originally Posted by audritwo
    If you weren't looking for a discussion, then you shouldn't of replied. Simple.
    I'm looking for discussion and learning about how you see things. It's not getting me much love so far, but it is very insightful. I got to know more about the different types of requests and your perspective on the business.


    Quote Originally Posted by Luna66
    There is one moral that is pretty much universal. Tell the truth.
    Seriously? No.

    People went on crusades and stuff with conception like those.

    There's been communities where cannibalism was moral. Moral is just values we create/choose for ourselves, as we all live together we have developed kind of "standard pack of value": a kinda classic, usual moral which is widely accepted. That makes you think there is an universal moral, but it's false.

    I most certainly have my own and personal moral, like pretty much everyone who can think. And respecting contracts is a big part of it.


    Quote Originally Posted by justsometwat
    I wasn't going to say anything else in this thread, but him repeatedly mentioning ACF set me off. If they are so helpful there, then why doesn't he stay there? I was on that forum for a few years and ended up deleting my account after being attacked repeatedly for no reason. It's fucking toxic over there, so I am shocked he's being greeted with open arms.
    I mentioned ACF two times in one post so to explain to Luna66 why I was talking about recurring payments when she commented that this does not make any sense in regard to custom videos.

    I'm engaging with models wherever I am giving the chance, why would I "stay there" ?! But I would not say I am being greeted with open arms there either Me think I am not proving so good at communicating with models so far, but I'll get there. Eventually. Maybe.

    It would appear there are some tensions between the two forums though! Some model over there made the same kind of comments about me mentioning ACF on Stripperweb lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerald View Post
    I thought it's ok to sell the guy something you've made for someone else originally, is not publicly available, and fulfills his request. As it is ok to sell the guy something you've made specially for him and then distribute it publicly. I understand that this is not the case from models' perspective, which I am fine with. I guess the problem comes from the meaning of the word "custom". If it was called something like "on demand video", i.e. getting a video which fulfills your demand, it'd be fine.
    No the problem comes because in one case HE KNOWS ABOUT IT and in the other HE DOESN'T! It would be LYING for profit! I don't lie to my customers! How many times do I have to say it? Jesus Christ you are absolutely impossible.

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    This is why I didn't want to be in this thread anymore, as time goes on and people ask legitimate questions you've gotten more snarky (yea, I said it again) about how you answer. It's gotten to the point where you seem to be more defensive and irritated about the feedback you're being given.

    If you think that it would be okay for a model to get paid for a custom video, then send him a video that she made for someone else that was meant to be exclusive and there's no problem, then what percentage you pay your models or if you have chargebacks covered will be the least of your worries.

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