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    Default Just a little rant. (Don't hate me)

    Honestly I'm tired of these it's never been this slow comments and fear mongering. The 3 years I've been camming I've heard it every year. This site is going down the tube. This site has shit traffic because of reason. The same thing happened to x site, then it shut down. Etcetera, etcetera. It's this circle jerk of negative thinking.

    Welcome to the world of camming. Where 100% based commission work isn't consistent. There will be dips. Sometimes their will be technical issues. I know some of you are venting and that's fine. But this doesn't mean a site is going down hill. There will always be horny men.

    "I see top models struggling to make their goals, that must mean something."
    Top model here, if traffic is slow guess what I do, work longer hours, put in extra shifts, try get rid of my stank attitude or try to mask it with being sexually frustrated. Some weeks I struggle to make my goal. But I tried. And I will not quit until I do. Then the next week I'll start banking, and making money will be easy again. While others are still complaining and in this funk. I'm not one to believe in the LOA crap- actually I think its cultish. But positive thinking does help, because dudes can tell if your frustrated, angry, upset, whatever. Why would they want to jerk off to the girl will the bad attitude when the one next to her is more pleasant?

    Also the importance of depending on one site is stupid. I used to as well. Its so important to have other eggs because you never know when its going to dip.

    If camming is so hard, if you are not making any money on one site, move to another, add more, work on your own marketing to bring your own traffic instead of depending on others. Or quit.





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    Thank you for posting this...I'm guilty of adding to the SM paranoia myself but last night I didn't feel like amplifying myself up for the token sites so I went on SM, and I did alright. Not the best but not the worst day either. If I decided to stay on for more than 2.5 hours I'm sure I would have kept making $75 per hour at my high rates. Also, they were mostly all new customers.

    The money is there, the game is there, you just gotta figure out how to go after it and try different things until you find what works. There is a point where you will have to face the fact that maybe camming isn't for you. If you dread it, if you're not making the money and you've been at it for a few months...those are indicators. It doesn't mean you are ugly or stupid, it just means there is something better for you.
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    I realized this morning waking up and having a horrible shift last night (pennies literally) I still woke up with motivation to make more money. WHY? Because I am not giving up. Every day is a new start to start new! Seriously. $1 one day, $400 the next. Welcome to camming ladies. Thanks Audri for this post.


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    Totally agree with your post Audri.
    Also the more frustrated we are for not making money ,the less money we`ll make.

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    You're so right Audri. Could never hate you, only love for you girl!
    I was happy to have a back to normal night last night, and Friday night/Sat daytime it was back to normal also. I think my faulty splitter fucked me over a lot and it could have been that way months. I think some of my regs re-appeared from their black hole too. The ups and downs of camming is a major cock tease, milk the good times, ride out the bad storms, but I'll still always love camming as my job, cause I can sit on my fat ass at home and make money! Haha

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    Also football. Work around it. Football lasts for like 3 hours.





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    I'm totally on board with this, Audri!

    I've been a healthy complainer in the SM thread but I know it's not camming folding in on itself and dying. I've been complaining because I had to double my hours but you know what? I'm doing it. Camming 8-10 hours a day isn't my ideal but I don't want to quit so I've adapted. Sure, I need to complain sometimes but that doesn't mean it's the cam-pocalypse.

    The doomsday attitude about SM is pretty dramatic. Yes I've had some miserable days or streaks but in the end I keep working SM because I've been shown time and time again the money is there if you stick it out.

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    THANK you for posting this Audri. I think its so easy to go down the rabbit hole. We all have shit days/ weeks/ months and it sucks. And, yes, on a bad night the first thing I do is go to the caming sucks thread to make myself feel better about the fact that its not just me. I think we all do. But being online consistently and building a clientele is the best way to get back to earning more, not just assuming that the sky is falling in and logging off after a slow hour.

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    OMG THANK YOU for posting this! Exactly how i've been feeling. Swore to myself earlier i'm not even going to read the forum for a week except the camming rocks thread cause all the doom is doing my head in!
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    Epic thread, Audri! This needs to be a sticky because A LOT of the girls are getting out of control. We all have bad days, it's part of life but there's a difference between having a bad day vs. it's ALWAYS a sad story = fucking exhausting/depressing! I guess constant negativity somehow improve the quality of life?!

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    PREACH.







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    Default Re: Just a little rant. (Don't hate me)

    It's not slow unless you let it be slow. If you are having a shit shift, get off and make some vids or picture sets. Work on marketing yourself.





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    THANK YOU!!! This...I mean, I'm not a top model (yet) and sure, things have been up and down, but this last week I tried a little experiment. Work all the hours I say I will work and work consistently. And I banked. HARD. Not every day mind you, but 4/7 days were more than enough to give me an amazing weekly amount.

    Just WORK. as in, if you have to work 80hrs that week work all of those hours! $10/hr over 80 hrs still gives you a decent weekly paycheck. Just think of it that way.

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    Thank you for saying what so many of us were thinking, Audri. I've actually had to stop reading SW before I got on cam (I used to read it to get the day's info/updates/motivation etc) because every post seems to be so negative. That negativity adds to anxiety about making $$ and it was starting to mess with my mojo. I'm all for venting - it is healthy and we need a safe space to do so, but we have a "Camming Sucks" thread for that. The negative attitude seems to have seeped into nearly every thread in this forum lately.

    Just keep on grindin' ladies! We got this!

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    I'm with you 100% on all of this. And I totally get why all the doom and gloom hysteria happens. It's so easy to fall into the cycle of **random bad day - puts you in a foul mood - have ANOTHER bad shift due to foul mood - feels like the world is ending - DESPAIR - convince yourself it isn't worth logging on - work fewer hours AND have a bad attitude - earnings tank - THE END IS NIGH - rage quit for a week** etc etc.

    Working a job that's 100% commission is hard on the emotions!! But if you can stick it out through the rough patches you'll still come out on top. Having a "rainy day" fund always helps (or a burnout fund lol). So does cultivating good side income on other sites, doing skype shows, selling clips, phone sex, etc.



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    To add on to this I would just like to point out the fluidity of camming in regards to your experience as an individual. The worst day you ever have on cam is gonna be the best day a fellow camgirl has, vice versa, etc. Also, I feel like taking a step back is really important and vastly under practiced in this game. Sometimes you need to take a day or two off to chill the fuck out readjust your attitude.

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    I learned quickly that camming is never "regular". Had a $20 night the other night and was pissed until I realized it was completely my fault for being so docile and logging on so late. Some nights I bank, others it's hard to hit my goal. regardless, I know that if I put in the hours and hustle my bustle, I will eventually hit goal on my regular sites.

    MGF is a perfect example of the fluidity of camming. I keep it on in the background because I rarely pull even $20 from it in a night. I keep it on though because I know that the occasional $300 and $500 night make it worth it. Is it every night? nope! but the two or three nights a month where I make a pretty penny make it so worth it, even when others say the site is dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TrifilinCamHo View Post
    Also, I feel like taking a step back is really important and vastly under practiced in this game. Sometimes you need to take a day or two off to chill the fuck out readjust your attitude.
    This.I always take a day or two or three off,depending on how many I can really afford.Unless you had some botox and your face looks smiley all the time the frustration will show on your face.Whenever I am moody I make next to nothing.
    I rarely blame glitches,I never blame cheap gold shows or other models but I always check and fix my attitude.

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    Thanks for saying what a lot of us have been thinking, unpopular opinion though it may be. I've been staying away from the community a lot lately because hearing that it's slow/glitchy/dead/*negative thing here* can put me in a bad mind set to work. When you work commission sales, you absolutely cannot be negative. I know of exactly one top model who can go online crying/screaming at her customers about a bad day and make bank, and that's because it's her hustle to do that. For the rest of us, believing the money is there is critical.

    SM is not dead. I've been hearing that since I started working there two years ago and I'm still pulling upwards of $60-80/hour on average. Good equipment, regular hours (~20-40 per week), and a positive attitude are what do it. I was hit by the glitch hell two months ago myself, but I've adjusted and it's all leveled back out. Do I still randomly have my bitrate drop to 300 mid-show? Yeah, it happens, but I keep working and the money still comes in as long as I'm logged in and trying my best.

    There's a lot of fear mongering that most people can't use the new HD settings on SM. Stop that right now. I ran the old recommended settings for SM with a $300 laptop and an upload speed of 1.5 mbps for a year before it burned out and still managed to stay on the front page making a decent hourly. I'm using a bare-bones basic i5 desktop now and the best internet speeds I can get are 10 down/10 up (usually closer to 8 and 5 with my company) and I'm still in the top 10-20 models online if I put the hours in. The new HD720 settings, even at the recommended 2000 bitrate, only require about a 2.2 mbps upload speed. Seriously, go look at the settings in your encoder where it tells you how much bandwidth you need to stream and convert it to mbps. You do not need a crazy fast computer or a crazy fast internet connection. They help, but you can survive on less. Customers don't have the internet to see our HD streams? Possibly, but if their speeds are too low to watch us at 2000+ bitrates, then SM automatically drops the bitrate quality of the stream they see and they can still connect just fine. Seriously, can confirm this--I have a customer account that tests my internet each time I log in and then automatically adjusts the feeds so they're optimized for whatever download speed I happen to have available that day. Long story short? There isn't much reason to panic that you need to drop $2000+ on a new system! Hell, that basic i5 I mentioned earlier was all of $1000 to build! As an aside, the only reason SM recommends either an i5 or an i7 is because they never bothered to test the settings on i3 or lower builds. It's not that they don't work--they didn't bother checking.

    Football is fucking cam up? *Insert any major holiday/issue/thing here* is fucking cam up? Well, a bit, maybe, but not enough to drop your average hourly to $0. Re: football, there are 32 teams and most of them play each week over the course of three days, with most guys watching only one of those three to three-and-a-half hour games. That still means that about 21/24 hours of their day are free to jerk off to us. Matter of fact, most of my customers say they love Sunday football because their wives totally believe them when they say they have to watch all of the games and it gives them unquestioned alone time to jerk off. Go figure--football is actually doing us a favor if you look at it right! You can apply that logic to any holiday or event--sure, some people are tied up, but others use it as an excuse for privacy. That's why Christmas is so good for us--dudes with no plans can be jerking off!

    SM/MFC/F4F/CB/whatever isn't working for you? Ladies--split cam, find a new site, whatever. It's scary to leave what you know, but if what you know isn't working then it isn't working. Trying something new is better than the insanity of trying to make the same sinking ship suddenly float!

    Finally, track your hourly/daily/weekly earnings religiously. I've said it SO many times before now, but it's quite the reality check. I may think it's slow and then check my numbers to realize I've been pulling in my hourly average (or higher!) anyway! I may think I've worked a ton of hours that week only to realize it's been 8 for the week. I may be ticked my hourly is down, only to realize I've been working shifts that are always slow for me instead of my peak hours. While you're at it, track your % time in paid chat and play with your rates using these earnings trackers. The math will either say you're better off higher/lower on your rates, mornings/afternoons/evenings, maybe certain outfits or hustles work better--but do it with some stats to back it all up or you'll get frustrated because it's hard to figure these things out just on gut feelings with no numbers to back it up. Seriously--it's so easy to just make an excel table with Sunday-Saturday across the top and midnight to midnight across the side and write in that you made $X from 10-11 a.m. and $Y from 1-2 p.m. and so forth, then figure out that you made an average hourly of $W that day and $Z for the week on one site or all or whatever.

    <3 and happy camming! Keep your heads up!



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    Thank you!! I am sorry but that doom and gloom attitude was infecting the Niteflirt thread as well. I am about venting but crying about the end of a site is just disturbing to me. Plus, who places all of their eggs in one basket in this industry? You need at least a few to keep the money streaming in. However, everyone who complains about sites being dead all of the time never talk about their marketing plan. They never talk about doing other things such as making clips, getting on Second Life, or selling goodie bags on Niteflirt. Ladies, if one site is slow than make clips or sell panties until things pick up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by audritwo View Post
    Honestly I'm tired of these it's never been this slow comments and fear mongering. The 3 years I've been camming I've heard it every year. This site is going down the tube. This site has shit traffic because of reason. The same thing happened to x site, then it shut down. Etcetera, etcetera. It's this circle jerk of negative thinking.

    Welcome to the world of camming. Where 100% based commission work isn't consistent. There will be dips. Sometimes their will be technical issues. I know some of you are venting and that's fine. But this doesn't mean a site is going down hill. There will always be horny men.

    "I see top models struggling to make their goals, that must mean something."
    Top model here, if traffic is slow guess what I do, work longer hours, put in extra shifts, try get rid of my stank attitude or try to mask it with being sexually frustrated. Some weeks I struggle to make my goal. But I tried. And I will not quit until I do. Then the next week I'll start banking, and making money will be easy again. While others are still complaining and in this funk. I'm not one to believe in the LOA crap- actually I think its cultish. But positive thinking does help, because dudes can tell if your frustrated, angry, upset, whatever. Why would they want to jerk off to the girl will the bad attitude when the one next to her is more pleasant?

    Also the importance of depending on one site is stupid. I used to as well. Its so important to have other eggs because you never know when its going to dip.

    If camming is so hard, if you are not making any money on one site, move to another, add more, work on your own marketing to bring your own traffic instead of depending on others. Or quit.
    My hat and clothes off to you Audri! Can I rant too? I actually got tied of posing and reading SW the last week or two because of just what you're talking about. "I didn't get the broadcaster..crickets....girls are crying on cam.....fuckin' SM won't buy traffic" whine whine whine. yes, it's a little slow, but I'm still making my goal. Just takes longer. I've been keeping a positive attitude, working my hours and making my goal in spite of it all. I have my regulars that get me through, so I don't care about traffic or placement. If my regulars can find me, then that's all I care about. I've had no glitches, great streaming quality (I like the encoder I'm not using the broadcaster because my streaming quality is in the excellent range with 720 settings) And that's another thing. Who gives a shit who has the broadcaster now, and who doesn't. MFC has 2 different ways to stream, it's no big deal and there's no hidden agenda. Next we'll hear SM is sending out black helicopters over our houses to insure no traffic online. I'm sure everyone will have the option of the broadcaster soon. Be a coyote, adapt. I am, I'm getting my MFC profile together and will try it there when I'm bored with SM within the next month. Right on Audri!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by audritwo View Post
    If camming is so hard, if you are not making any money on one site, move to another, add more, work on your own marketing to bring your own traffic instead of depending on others. Or quit.
    I agree....even *if* Streamate was dying/imploding (which I highly doubt that it is) then that fact should really be a moot point. Just like custies, one should really be under the assumption that all sites are going to have a limited life span as well. If you allow yourself to depend on one stream of income and do not have any sort of backup plan when working at a commission job then you are just setting yourself up for a world of pain.

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    it's not just SM the doom is directed towards (see NF ref above), the whole AW thread lately is becomming a fucking no go zone for me. If I have to repeat myself one more time that there is NO summer slump, you do NOT have to lower your rates, it NOT all going to shit.... omg I will go mad.

    @ Issabelle your post deserves 10 thank you's as well, one just isn't enough. you always have a positive attitude and it's really inspiring
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    Audri you kick ass! I needed to read this cause I was kind of feeling like I was the only one who wasnt having a horrible time! I read the SM thread to have get tips, tricks and just to see what is new but the vibe is just off. I sift through the whinny posts and I still find some nuggets of gold in there but the vibe gets me down. I even tried to post the other day saying that I was doing well on SM and had no issues but I caught some flack for, apparently, perpetuating the idea that all women hate one another!

    So good to have you voice this. I feel like our community really benefits from hearing a voice of reason reminding us not to get our panties all in a knot.

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    As always I appreciate your posts. I definitely blame my lack of success with my own effort put in (which is lacking) if I would just put enough hours in I would be doing great financially. I wish I had your will power to get on and stay on.

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