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    So I just got to work and they are making everyone re-do their paperwork.
    There are now clauses that they can:
    a) "refuse to grant lessee access to premises if in the best interest of the club", which with the accompanying language means they can decide you can't work if there's too many girls
    b) can tell dancers to lose weight "since entertaining is physically demanding and entertainers health is foremost"... They've apparently started giving girls a month to lose 20 lbs
    c) can tell dancers what costume to wear, hair color, piercings, etc.

    Not even Christies had this horse shit in their contracts. This does not sound like a good omen. Every club I've worked in that's started implementing rules like this, was struggling for business and trying to "fix" it by "improving" the girls.

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    In sm clubs I could see this being a positive thing … mainly the kinds of clubs where, as Tempest puts it, all you need to bank is a full set of teeth.

    But yours doesn't seem to be that kind of a club, if I've understood correctly? There is also a lot that could go wrong for girls even under the very strictest interpretation of those rules.

    What are their thoughts on policing against extras? Not just what might be in the paperwork but in terms of actually enforcing it?

    & how are they determining 'healthy wgts'? Soley by eyeballing? Measuring? Military-standard hgt:wgt ratios?

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    ^ Yes, i can see positives and negatives to this too; as Aniela suggested maintaining a certain standard.

    Do you feel like you have any reason to believe that you will be told to lose weight or change your style?

    On the plus side, I think you would be able to claim your gym/health club fees on your tax return if it is written into the contract (make sure you receive a copy). Hidden silver lining!
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    Hmm, clause A doesn't seem like a bad thing to me, in fact I wish my club would do that instead of allowing 55 girls to show up on a slow night so they can collect more house fees. My gf works in Manhattan and says that clubs turning girls away once they've reached their cap for the night is common practice there and generally appreciated by the house girls.

    B and C could go either way, I think you will just have to feel it out for a bit and see if they are being Nazis about it or just using it to force the sloppier girls to get their shit together. Super annoying how they worded B though! I got put on weight probation once and it was insult to injury having the obese managers tell me they were "just concerned about my health".

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    ^ I know right! i was put on fat watch for a month many moons ago (drinking days). I could actually feel how uncomfortable the male manager felt telling me and I had such compassion for him in the moment! I was told that it was definitely a probation though, not a firing; the only reassuring thing about it at the time.
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    More fear-mongering? Really? Yes, this is not the 1990's anymore. Yes, things are changing. Either dance or don't. Freaking out and sowing fear isn't going to help anyone.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickdreams View Post
    ^ I know right! i was put on fat watch for a month many moons ago (drinking days). I could actually feel how uncomfortable the male manager felt telling me and I had such compassion for him in the moment!
    Haha true! I could tell the managers were uncomfortable when they talked to me about it too-I'm sure they've had plenty of girls flip out or start crying when they get sent to the office for that talk. I made sure to kill them with kindness instead.

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    ^ yeah ditto, I wonder if they were waiting for the meltdown
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    More fear-mongering? Really? Yes, this is not the 1990's anymore. Yes, things are changing. Either dance or don't. Freaking out and sowing fear isn't going to help anyone.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickdreams View Post
    ^ Yes, i can see positives and negatives to this too; as Aniela suggested maintaining a certain standard.

    Do you feel like you have any reason to believe that you will be told to lose weight or change your style?

    On the plus side, I think you would be able to claim your gym/health club fees on your tax return if it is written into the contract (make sure you receive a copy). Hidden silver lining!
    I have no concern about anything. None. I weigh all of 105 lbs at 5'6'. They auditioned me at 11pm on a weekend against their policy because they wanted me to work there so bad

    I'm not concerned for myself but I am concerned for the further negative working environment. It's already got a weird negative feeling about the place because of the amount of rules. I'm used to working in free-for-all type places where they basically don't care what you do unless you're wasted/fighting/doing drugs on the property. There's a stupid amount of rules here and all the girls bitch about them.

    As far as the cap goes, I will be PISSED if I drive 20 miles to the club and get "too many girls, go home". Then it'll turn into everybody racing to get there early, so you'll have to show up hella early and sit in a dead club if you want to work when it's busy. I have limited nights I can work so I'm not happy about this. Unless they figure out a way to tell you ahead of time, like an online 'check in' or something, this seems like it may be a pain.

    I think it actually is leaning further toward violating the 'independent contractor' point... being able to tell us we can't work a certain night, how much we can weigh, etc. seems like things you get to tell your employees, not your contractors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    As far as the cap goes, I will be PISSED if I drive 20 miles to the club and get "too many girls, go home". Then it'll turn into everybody racing to get there early, so you'll have to show up hella early and sit in a dead club if you want to work when it's busy. I have limited nights I can work so I'm not happy about this. Unless they figure out a way to tell you ahead of time, like an online 'check in' or something, this seems like it may be a pain.
    Would you be able to befriend a manager or bouncer whom you could text on iffy nights to make sure you can still get in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaninchen View Post
    Would you be able to befriend a manager or bouncer whom you could text on iffy nights to make sure you can still get in?
    Ehhh I mean I guess I can try. I don't make a habit of speaking to staff beyond the minimum. But either way, I don't do my schedule like that. I pick my nights to work and I work them, I don't want to be like "Well MAYBE I can make $xxx on Friday IF they let me work". Plus everyone has their damn hand out, I can see them expecting even more of my $$ for that favor.

    Aniela, as far as extras go, I'm not sure what policing goes on in the private hour rooms but in the shared half hour rooms it seems to be 'bouncers choice'... some girls get snapped at for allowing any touching at all (which is ridiculous IMO) and some of us (luckily me so far) seem to get left alone. "Healthy weight" is yes, by eyeballing.

    I'm really surprised I'm not seeing anyone else thinking this is a little much, with all the employee vs. IC discussions and lawsuits. Or maybe I've just been spoiled and never had any restrictions in my contracts before.
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    a month to lose 20 pounds?? and they pretend to be concerned with "health"?? ha!
    and yeah, they definitely need to work out a system where you call before walking in, or text a hotline. that's what started happening at my old club. because a lot of girls commute too far to be turned down at the door.
    i agree with you in that it sounds ridiculous if they are still classifying you as ICs, but unfortunately not uncommon :/

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    To your point about micromanaging, I've seen it and it's not a good sign. I've seen a number of these clubs go out of business because they only look at the girls being inadequate not their management. Most of these managers are not hospitality managers, they're glorified bouncers. So they have no idea what to do to promote a club. The rest who have a clue are stymied by owners who are too cheap to spend on adequate promotion or stuck in an old business model and can't accept that they are behind the times. So they fine the girls more and more. They get more combative and greedy for fees. And ironically they chase off the best girls and are left with the dregs, chasing the last of their customers away. It's like an episode of Bar Rescue. And you are right in saying the "rules" breach independent contractor laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    a month to lose 20 pounds?? and they pretend to be concerned with "health"?? ha!
    and yeah, they definitely need to work out a system where you call before walking in, or text a hotline. that's what started happening at my old club. because a lot of girls commute too far to be turned down at the door.
    i agree with you in that it sounds ridiculous if they are still classifying you as ICs, but unfortunately not uncommon :/
    You can lose about 2 lbs a week in a "healthy" manner. 5 lbs a week is dangerous for women as small as your average dancer. An obese person can safely do it but anyone 130 or less would be losing nearly 20% body weight in a month. Pretty extreme. And if they care about health why not ban smoking, drinking, drug use, etc. Why not bounce all guys who try to touch or coerce dancers since it violates their emotional health?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    Most of these managers are not hospitality managers, they're glorified bouncers. So they have no idea what to do to promote a club.
    That's it exactly! This is the most succinct, accurate description of why bad management is bad. Literally at my club, the newer managers are just former bouncers. Great for them and their paychecks, not so great for all the dancers when we're wondering why the traffic has dried up. Ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    ..... So they have no idea what to do to promote a club. The rest who have a clue are stymied by owners who are too cheap to spend on adequate promotion or stuck in an old business model and can't accept that they are behind the times. So they fine the girls more and more. They get more combative and greedy for fees. And ironically they chase off the best girls and are left with the dregs, chasing the last of their customers away. It's like an episode of Bar Rescue. And you are right in saying the "rules" breach independent contractor laws.
    This sounds eerily familiar.

    The club stays increasing fees and adding new rules. Like wtf?!? When club attendance and sales decline what do they do? Blame the dancers. Then increase their fees, take away their freedom (like can't negotiate on price, have managers control our physical appearance, managers expecting scheduled work times). It sucks! Big time.

    The worst is when the club is deader than an empty graveyard and all I can think is "did you f*ckers promote the club or what?" The club seems like they are too cheap or not smart enough to do any real, modern day promotions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    This sounds eerily familiar.

    The club I work stays increasing fees and adding new rules. Like wtf?!? When club attendance and sales decline what do they do? Blame the dancers. Then increase their fees, take away their freedom (price negotiations, physical appearance, scheduled work times). It suck! Big time.

    The worst is when the club is deader than an empty graveyard and all I can think is "did you f*ckers promote the club or what?" The club I work seem like they are too cheap or not smart enough to do any real promotions.
    ^ YUP! THIS shit is what I'm currently putting up with at my club I've been back & forth with for some time. The bitch is literally telling us "oh i have too many girls tonight , it won't be worth it for you" or best yet " Yoou guys are all selfish as fuck thinking you can come in here at 10-11:00 pm and make money, you're the reason why we have no customers" bahahaha I laugh at her & don't even bother arguing bc it's a lost cause & I'm just waiting for that shithole to close. Clubs like this don't last. It's unfair that they blame the dancers when it's not our fault it's dead, they're just running a shitty club & most if not ALL my recent VIP customers have all complained that the place sucks, you can't see or do anything and they won't be back. I still get paid but I lose clients all the time bc of their dumbass rules & how unproffesional they are in front of customers. She will charge me a $30 stage fee even if I've only had one dance all night & when I first started there over a year ago, she'd rarely charge anyone a stage fee at check out.
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    You girls are right, they DONT promote and then it's our fault. The one bouncer was complaining to me that the girls won't go promote; no shit! We don't want to spend our free time, when we already pay to work at the club, handing out flyers or whatnot and running into people we know. Flyers don't work anyway and they can't seem to come up with any better ideas.

    I get some of the rules but I don't think they're putting any energy into anything more productive. This is the most unpredictable club ever for earnings so I would think they'd be concerned with remedying the "getting customers in the door" issue first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaninchen View Post
    That's it exactly! This is the most succinct, accurate description of why bad management is bad. Literally at my club, the newer managers are just former bouncers. Great for them and their paychecks, not so great for all the dancers when we're wondering why the traffic has dried up. Ugh.

    Also, off topic, but I love your Aretha gif.
    She's a mess isn't she!

    Yeah I see most of them as cops who only know how to crack down, not do marketing campaigns. I'm amazed when I see professional bouncers because they can set a great tone. At the same time ownership being cheap decides to pit employees against each other and makes everybody's job harder.
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    In relation to this thread, We had 47 girls on last night on a shift that runs well with 15. If we had capped at 25 everyone would have done very well, stages run properly etc

    I don't think a capped roster on quiet shifts is a bad idea; send a message out that we need # more girls if it gets busier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flickdreams View Post
    In relation to this thread, We had 47 girls on last night on a shift that runs well with 15. If we had capped at 25 everyone would have done very well, stages run properly etc

    I don't think a capped roster on quiet shifts is a bad idea; send a message out that we need # more girls if it gets busier.
    If they can figure out a way to let us know ahead of time, and not make it a race to get there early (I don't wanna be showing up at 4pm to get on night shift), that would be reasonable, but I doubt they will.

    And further developments... they fired another girl for her weight, despite people saying she was a great hustler (Idk who she is). Now they are getting on girls about what time they come in. Several got hauled into the office last night and told they were supposed to be coming in for day shift and needed to be there around 2pm. The girls said they weren't hired specifically for days, they just liked to come in early sometimes and would show up around 3 or 4.
    Another got bitched at about not signing in on a 2nd sign-in sheet (the 'we paid you min wage' sheet)... which I haven't touched since I started there. It's like a weird hazing almost. I was expecting to be bitched at but it hasn't happened. They're only picking on some girls.

    And then the bouncer was telling me "You know what you girls do wrong? You wait for the club to bring you customers." Saying that all the customers are just somebody's regular and we need to go out and find our own guys to bring in instead of picking up stragglers that aren't someone's regular. NO WAY BRO, I am not going out trolling for men to bring into a club. Jesus. That was the most blatant Blame The Dancers ever.
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    ^ wow Selina, you're club sounds retarded as fuck. I'd find someplace else coz that shit wouldn't fly with me haha
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    ^ Yeah I still end up working at my old club once a week bc this one grates on me.
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