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    Default Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    So I was curious about something that I think could be making it for harder for models to get gold shows started/ have guys bid in to their show and that's models starting gold shows for under goal and then not doing anything until the goal is met. And I'm not talking about "squirting at goal or big toy at goal" shows. I have had customers come to me sometimes and tell me they bid into the show and the model did literally nothing but ask them to tip more to get her to do anything once the show started. I witnessed it myself once with a zero dollar show. They started the show but said they needed another $60 to use a toy and then just stood there staring at the camera until the timer ran out.
    Is this really common? Is it possible that this one reason why guys don't bid into the show until the last minute, because they don't want to get stuck paying 5 bucks to see a girl sit there and stare at them?

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    Default Re: Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    Not at all. I believe a model has the right to stare at the screen if she's not getting what she wants. And if the guy is pledging a show that's going to happen anyway he might see it in the show later. Though I strongly disagree with baiting and switching, who wants to tease, dance, and flash for free? I haven't witnessed a ton of models baiting and switching but most offer videos which are sent after the show is over and the guys email her. If she does bait and switch and doesn't make goal she's going to cancel it anyway unless it's a guaranteed show.

    As far as the reason guys wait until the last minute? They're usually waiting for 1 of two things to happen. To see as much as they can to convince them to join in and "get them horny" and or they're waiting to see if anyone else is going to join in. Most guys unless they're generous don't want to pay for the whole show by themselves. They're going to wait to see who else is going to pitch in unless it's a cheap show.

    Thing is, if that model baited and switched and didn't make that extra $60 they get their money back anyway. She's probably trying to eliminate her chances of being screwed over on a GS that's not going to happen. If she says "Tip $10 and the shirt comes off." and someone does but she doesn't make goal she just showed her tits for free and everyone in the show got their free flash and their money back unless her show is going to start anyway O.o Either way, I think both the model and pledgers are trying to minimize loss.




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    Default Re: Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    Oh no, I mean models who go ahead and START the show and people have bid in but she didn't hit goal, so she just stares at the screen until the show timer runs out telling them they need to pledge more for her to do anything. So the guys who did pay to see the show might get videos if she offers them, but might just pay 5 bucks to see an angry cam girl staring at them.

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    Default Re: Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    I've never heard of that before, but I think it's pretty funny honestly! I can see where someone might reach the breaking point and basically say "screw you guys, pay me or fuck off" but I doubt that would be a good strategy long term. Hard to build regs when you routinely bait and switch. And there are PLENTY of other models for those guys to play with instead.

    I doubt this kind of thing is driving guys away from Gold shows. They're so inexpensive that it's not like they're really out a lot, and the risk justifies the reward (especially with well-established models). I also doubt that there are a ton of models doing this since it's really not good business sense.

    I will say that "guaranteeing" the show at a certain amount helps make guys feel more confident in joining though. I like to break down the countdown into chunks (tits out at X amount, show guaranteed at Y amount, we'll do an extra bonus thing at goal, etc). Makes bigger goals seem less intimidating to them.


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    Default Re: Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    I've actually seen it said enough I thought I should post about it "I'll start the show but I'm not doing anything until we hit goal." I've also seen zero dollar shows where the goal was met and then they said they needed 60 more gold to do anything because there were too many free loaders. And these were popular models with huge room counts. I just wondered if it made the cam audience a bit gun shy.

    (yes, I creep entirely too much)

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    Default Re: Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    I've actually pledged into a gold show where the lady started the show and then just sat and bitched the whole time that we didn't tip enough for her to do anything... so yes, it happens. Top row model too. Quite literally.... sat there.
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    Default Re: Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    Well frankly, it's stealing. They are stealing money from the customers who were under the impression they are paying for a show that never happens. And I'm pretty sure if they report the models doing this they could more than likely be suspended for it. Streamate isn't going to want to cover all of the chargebacks coming in for that.

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    Default Re: Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    I did report it.... I was told that "in the future, I should probably just avoid that model".

    She's one of the "name girls"......
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    Default Re: Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    I've seen it too! Definitely doesn't seem fair to the people that pledge with the expectation that they would see a show.

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    Default Re: Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kitcatt View Post
    Oh no, I mean models who go ahead and START the show and people have bid in but she didn't hit goal, so she just stares at the screen until the show timer runs out telling them they need to pledge more for her to do anything. So the guys who did pay to see the show might get videos if she offers them, but might just pay 5 bucks to see an angry cam girl staring at them.
    Let alone all the angry camgirls in guest chat these guys have to deal with, now they have to deal with it in gold shows too? LOL That just made me laugh. That's fucked up and I don't curse very often. But it's bad enough all the bitterness I see every day (from models) when I'm creeping rooms. Wish someone could bitch slap those girls.

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    Default Re: Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    When I do a goal show that starts 75% to 90% of the guys who have tipped in are regulars. A model who does this is only shooting herself in the foot. $1 to $10 Guys will not come back if they lose the money and there is just some bitchy girl telling them to give her money in place of a show! Bait and Switch isnt going to work out long term.

    However, I doubt SM will do anything about these girls cause its still just a hustle style. and if your going to do this in gold shows then you had better have a pretty solid hustle style and some big tipping regulars who like to spoil you. This sort of hustle is not for us goal orientated gold show performers but it could equal big payoff if done correctly.

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    Default Re: Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    I'll start them if they are like 10 bucks short. Give it a minute, if I don't get it, I'll cancel the show and no one gets charged.





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    Default Re: Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    Yeah, I'm talking about blatant dollar wringing shit here. Like, we made $275 goal now tip us $60 more to use a toy and fuck ourselves *just stands there*. Or "it's a 1 dollar buy in, show guaranteed" *just sits off cam and screams at them that they need to tip to see anything* OR the classic "I'm going to start this show but don't expect me to do anything" show. I've seen guys plead with the model NOT to start that show because they know they are wasting their money. I had one guy tell me he messaged support and their response was "you don't know how gold shows work" and hung up on him.

    Like, I get it, it's only a few bucks, but that can't help with gold shows or what we may/might do in pvt and exclusive

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    Default Re: Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    Well I have to honestly say that I dont feel badly for the men at all! And if a model is going to run a gold show like that she probably wont be a model for long cause eventually the money will dry up (as guys figure out she isnt going to show).

    Its really a natural selection process.

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    Default Re: Starting a gold show but not doing anything unless goal is met?

    I usually start my goldshows if we are pretty close, I figure that waiting around in free chat just to cancel is wasting money. It depends on the day and time of day, but I have lately just tried to set my goldshows at a low goal and for five or four minutes, so that if I am gonna do it, I dont end up fucking myself senseless for 7 minutes at a low goal lol. But I have never started a show and not done anything. I dont feel as bad if I dont break out the big guns in a show with a goal not meant, but I still try to make it worth while for the customers who paid and especially if someone has put in 10-20 gold for the show even if goal is not meant. But I have seen a model saying she would start a show but "not do as much" because she didnt get near her goal. That could be an issue for sure. If guys pledge and then dont get the show promised then that definitely compounds the gold show issues that we all occassionally experience - people just staring and not pledging because they fear they will get ripped off.

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