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    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...009-story.html

    I thought this article brings up some good points but Idk what alternatives there are.
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    The Author is wrong, you can't have it both ways, they either respect you and treat you as an adult or they don't and you have an enviroment of fear where the men know the women can destroy them in an instant with an accusation so they protect themselves according.

    Sexual Harrassment law should be dumped. If someone refuses to take a hint and basically stalks you, there are anti stalking laws, if someone gropes keeps groping you thier are sexual assault laws, ect...

    As bad as these laws have been for men, they've been worse for woman, the laws are like the antiprostitution laws they're either stupid or redundant. The purpose was well meaning at first, but idiots kept twisting them all out of shape.

    You see it in that title IV thing in the states which has been a huge debacle, caused all kinds of chaos, and gotten universities sued by male students who were ruined by witch hunts.

    The truth is rape stats have dropping when it comes women getting raped (men getting raped by women are still on thier own and it happens far more often then people think), I need to look it up, but I believe the same is true for sexual harrassment.

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    IMO it's not the training that's the problem, it's the few women who invent stuff that didn't happen (for their own selfish motives) and give the rest of us a bad name.

    I used to work with one such female. She put an innocent man in jail over a false rape accusation because she got drunk and had consensual sex with him......and then freaked out because she didn't want her bf at the time to know that she cheated. But yeah.....don't even get me started on her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DreamsInDigital View Post
    IMO it's not the training that's the problem, it's the few women who invent stuff that didn't happen (for their own selfish motives) and give the rest of us a bad name.

    I used to work with one such female. She put an innocent man in jail over a false rape accusation because she got drunk and had consensual sex with him......and then freaked out because she didn't want her bf at the time to know that she cheated. But yeah.....don't even get me started on her.
    That's sad, I hope they found out and put her in jail for it. This is one of the reasons guys are increasingly going MGTOW and MRA, having sex with women you didn't hire is becoming increasingly unsafe thanks to idiotic laws and fanatics who actual approve of what that woman did.

    When I was younger guys were going into PUA to pick up women, now guys are starting to run in the opposite direction from women, its a sad situation.

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    Interesting.

    The idea of not having one on one for opposite sex coworkers is a good idea to me. It's just like going to the gyno and his nurse comes in just in case as sort of a protection against allegations or incidents on both parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Interesting.

    The idea of not having one on one for opposite sex coworkers is a good idea to me. It's just like going to the gyno and his nurse comes in just in case as sort of a protection against allegations or incidents on both parties.
    Unfortunately that would divide men and women even more, and, as the author states, there are more men in higher positions, so the people those men socialize with are more likely to get promotions/opportunities. It's also going to get more complicated now with more and more gay people coming out.

    On a separate note: the author's point that sexual harassment training prevents men from having one-on-one meetings with women isn't entirely true. Without those trainings, I'd be willing to bet most of those men still wouldn't meet one on one with their female juniors, just to prevent rumors of office relationships or to keep their wives from getting suspicious.
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    Excerpt from the article:
    I can hear the objections now: Women can't have it both ways. They can't tell men to be cautious around them, and then complain that they feel left out because men are behaving too cautiously.

    But I believe we can have it both ways. Men and women can maintain appropriate boundaries at work and develop professional friendships and mentor relationships. It's the only way women will reach parity with men in the workplace.

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    I agree with Omega on this one to some degree. I'm won't go so far as to say that these laws should be thrown out, but the ways that they are currently worded and enforced make dealing with women in the workplace much more complicated. The author's sanitized world where people can thread the needle by having "professional" friendships and mentor relationships without any personal considerations creeping in just doesn't exist in real life. Human beings just don't function like that.

    I own a small business and I have no interest in being in a position where a sexual harassment or hostile work environment claim could reasonably be leveled against me. Now the knee jerk response to this might be "then just keep it professional", but it is not that simple. My personal matters often seep into my workplace, especially since I am there so much. Also, when we are doing professional work on client sites, I cannot always control or anticipate the stuff that is heard during those visits.

    So I am forced to be careful about the types of women I hire to manage the office and visit client sites. For starters, I generally won't hire any woman under 40. Most of my female hires have been north of 45 and matronly looking, which prevents a lot of problems. I also tend to screen out anyone who seems particularly sensitive or rigid. It sucks to have to think like this, but it's the world we live in now.
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    Omg! Lol @ hiring the 40+ matronly broads! Bet the wife is pleased with that.

    But you have a good point though. Work is prime place for romantic relationships to occur. All it takes is the wrong situations to occur and mess up everything. Look what happened to Stephan Marbury who slept with his personal chef (while he was married) and end up having to give her a hefty settlement to go away.
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