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    I know dancers effectively earn much more than minimum wage. But as I hear dancers on this site talk of declining earnings, it makes me curious. Do you think some women would still dance if earnings continued to decrease to minimum wage levels? I think a fair number would.

    Dancing has become much less stigmatized, and in a sense even glamorous. Dancers can have a flexible schedule and set their own hours, and they work in a fun club atmosphere, and can drink while working, if they want.

    By contrast, on a minimum wage job, the work conditions are much more rigid and formal. It requires a fixed schedule.

    I know dancing is a difficult job, but I wonder if some women would still find it more attractive earning the same money as a minimum wage job. With the economy being so bad, I think that a fair number would, but was curious as to dancers point of view.

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    There are girls that consistently earn minimum wage type numbers (or less) yet keep returning to the club for some reason. So I'd say yes, clubs would still have those girls.

    As for the rest of us, I think most of us have a $ amount that we wouldn't work for less than, and it's substantially more than a minimum wage job. The upkeep and expenses involved in dancing means it doesn't even make sense.

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    I don't think a lot of girls are willing to work for $15,000 a year. The poverty level is around $11,000 for a single person. Sure there are probably girls that make that and are content with it. But I doubt a large number would.





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    I used to work minimum wage jobs for 40 hours a week, and I barely scraped by. Now with dancing I earn over 5 times more a week than I did, for working 2 nights. So if dancing went down to minimum wage, I'd have to still work 40+ hours dancing to scrape by. And that's just not physically possible. Not to mention I have a more expensive lifestyle now so I would be in debt very quickly unless I cut out all luxuries, sold my car, downsized etc. So no, I would quit and find something that still paid me a similar wage I am on now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJa View Post
    There are girls that consistently earn minimum wage type numbers (or less) yet keep returning to the club for some reason. So I'd say yes, clubs would still have those girls.
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    They may have health reasons that keep them away from "normal" jobs and stripping is the only thing they can do due to its flexibility.





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    Very few would, I sure as hell wouldn't.
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    Close contact, for an hour, for $40? And I guess I'll have to make conversation with them too?

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    Depends.

    I would only work in a strip club for minimum wage if I got full benefits (health disability life auto insurance, retirements, bonuses, company car, and yearly raises) and it was a no touching club.

    Part of the reason for high income ceilings in the strip club is having to deal with things you don't deal with at a typical min wage job. Displaying your most intimate parts of yourself and commercializing what is typical reserved for one on one committed relationships should come at a high premium.

    I think if stripping was minimum wage and nothing else then that would open the Pandora's box of exploitation of women. Women work work hard showing ass pussy and tits for everyone and have no energy or time left for their husbands or family and not enough money to create a decent life then the cycle would repeat.
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    When I first started dancing back when I was like 19 or 20 I probably only made $15-$20,000 a year, so "minimum wage annual salary," BUT I was only doing it a couple/few nights a week. It was a roadside dive with $5 dances where $250 was a good night. I was married and in school and part of the time was working a vanilla day job too. If I'd been working 40 hours a week as a dancer and only making that much, no way. When I got divorced I had to start working more and my income doubled (at least). I've gone back to dancing now because I am remarried, need more money, and 40 hour weeks for minimum wage wasn't going to cut it. There is no way I would do this for minimum wage. At the club where I was working when I first started back, there were a couple shifts I only went home with about $80, and I justified that little money by thinking "at least I still earned double minimum wage". But even that didn't make sense for what I was doing.

    So no. Especially not without full benefits. Even with full benefits, in my situation (I get health insurance through my husband's job), no way.

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    I make a couple $1000 more yearly than I would if I was using my degree, but I only work 8-10 hours a week vs. 40 hours. I continue dancing despite the industry slowly declining just because I like not working so much, and I'm still going to school so maximizing time for $$ is ideal.

    There is a dollar amount/hourly that I have to make to feel dancing is a fair trade, and even that bare minimum irritates me. I'm not truly 'fully satisfied' with the exchange unless that amount is 1.5x or more. There is a lot of BS we put up with. I have to worry about being stalked, whether some guy is gonna pin me down in the VIP room, the rude comments, the time wasters, the wear and tear on my body from doing stages, the bullshit fake jobs on my resume, the anxiety about $$ during slow months, etc etc etc. There is no way in HELL I would do this for minimum wage, benefits or no. I wouldn't even do this for $30/hour, and that's more than my masters degree friends make.

    There are girls at my club that probably would dance for $8/hr, but most of them are just 'lost' in the business and have no other prospects or skills. They drink with customers and spend hours with barflies for the free alcohol. They come in from 12-7, 5 days a week, and are happy to leave with $100. Fuck that. Dancing is a job to me and if I'm not being paid in a good chunk of cash money, I'm OUT.
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    Currently 90 percent of my income is going to before and after school child care, whereas the flexible schedule that came with stripping allowed me to actually pocket my laughable earnings. So call me crazy, but after experiencing this ridiculousness I'd gladly settle for making minimum wage at the club.

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    I've danced with girls that said they would be happy to make $50 a night. These are usually newbies that don't know the potential $$ in the club. I end up going on a mommy stripper rant pointing out that would only be $6.25 an hour. Not even minimum wage. And they still need to think about taxes. That they need to aim for AT LEAST $100 (which would be more than minimum wage) and then aim to make more each night as they get comfortable.

    Shit, I'm the laziest stripper, so I'm content with lower numbers, but I need to make AT LEAST $20 an hour (after all the fees) to see the job as worth it for the night. But that minimum amount gives me an awesome wage for my area that most people can't even make with college educations. So when I pass it, I'm the happiest little camper.

    But to actually answer the question, if wages dipped to minimum wage there would still be people willing to do it. It would just become normal for all the new people coming in and those that aren't happy with minimum wage would leave.

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    But I'm with y'all it doesn't seem like the effort would be worth the payoff if 5 hour shift was less than $20 - $40 / hour for a city with inexpensive standard of living.

    I think of what a lawyer would make per hour and thats about what I think strippers should make an hour.
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    I think some girls would still work for an average of minimum wage but not any that you'd actually want to see naked.

    Personally when I first started ~2.5 years ago I wanted at least 50/hour and I averaged ~70. This last year I finally gave up on it when I was consistently making less than 30 per hour.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora14 View Post
    I've danced with girls that said they would be happy to make $50 a night. These are usually newbies that don't know the potential $$ in the club. I end up going on a mommy stripper rant pointing out that would only be $6.25 an hour. Not even minimum wage. And they still need to think about taxes. That they need to aim for AT LEAST $100 (which would be more than minimum wage) and then aim to make more each night as they get comfortable.

    Shit, I'm the laziest stripper, so I'm content with lower numbers, but I need to make AT LEAST $20 an hour (after all the fees) to see the job as worth it for the night. But that minimum amount gives me an awesome wage for my area that most people can't even make with college educations. So when I pass it, I'm the happiest little camper.

    But to actually answer the question, if wages dipped to minimum wage there would still be people willing to do it. It would just become normal for all the new people coming in and those that aren't happy with minimum wage would leave.
    This is what amazes me. I see so many gorgeous dancers with great personalities that treat the job as hanging out in a bar. I'll bet that some of these don't make out much better than minimum wage, but they seem to be having a great time treating it as a paid party.

    A common scenario I've seen is where 3-4 guys will come in and buy bottle service and some mixers at a table, and then several dancers will just sit and drink for a couple of hours. Often the guys at these tables won't even buy any dances.

    I usually see this with the younger dancers. I'm guessing it kinda messes with the other dancers money, because we get used to just buying a few drinks and getting some of the hottest dancers to hang out with us for an hour or two. This is something I've seen happening more often in the last few years (I'm not complaining--it's great for me as a customer). I see a lot of dancers whose primary motivation seems to be to party, and getting paid too is just a bonus. I love America

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    ^^^I was just about to say the younger greener girls would be most likely to do this.

    When you're younger you're not as fiscally wise and don't have as many responsibilities or other people to support.

    Also if they are partying and getting sloshed, they're probably losing track of time.

    Another point is I've seen the young hot newbie dancers who haven't mastered the hustle spend hours with one guy/table as like a pity hustle. Hoping these guys get the hint and be like "well sparkle, you spent 1 hour listening to me ramble and gawk at your tits, now I must pay you for your time" ---- sad thing is they rarely do or if they do the money they paid is not worth what they could have gotten in greener pastures.

    But these girls, unless they are financial masochists, will wise up real quick when its the end of the week/month and they can't pay their bills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gameover View Post
    This is what amazes me. I see so many gorgeous dancers with great personalities that treat the job as hanging out in a bar. I'll bet that some of these don't make out much better than minimum wage, but they seem to be having a great time treating it as a paid party.

    A common scenario I've seen is where 3-4 guys will come in and buy bottle service and some mixers at a table, and then several dancers will just sit and drink for a couple of hours. Often the guys at these tables won't even buy any dances.

    I usually see this with the younger dancers. I'm guessing it kinda messes with the other dancers money, because we get used to just buying a few drinks and getting some of the hottest dancers to hang out with us for an hour or two. This is something I've seen happening more often in the last few years (I'm not complaining--it's great for me as a customer). I see a lot of dancers whose primary motivation seems to be to party, and getting paid too is just a bonus. I love America

    I see those girls and they tend to be gone within a month when the fun wears off or they can't pay their bills (and don't think to maybe stop sitting for free and sell some damn dances).

    You're right, they do fuck with our money. The club I rage quit last night was partially for that very reason; girls would sit with the guys anywhere from 30 mins to 2 hours, and get nothing a lot of the time. Sometimes one would get a pity $100 set, $90 after club cut. Others would just get 2-3 $10 or $20 dances. They'd effectively trained these guys to expect that kind of time investment. They're also blocking them from being approached by the real hustlers.
    How much $$ are you really going to make if it takes you 2 hours to make $90? Say you do that twice in a shift, add in a couple floor dances and some stage tips, that's about $225, minus $75 in house and fees... you just made $150 for a 5 hour shift. Take out the 15% of taxes your employer would pay in a normal job, but that you are now responsible for (and is just one more cost of being a dancer on top of house/tips/outfits), and you've got $128. For taking your clothes off for strangers and all the associated BS that comes with it. My SO makes that waiting tables in the same time. It astounds me that girls are ok with that money.

    Guys bring in pizzas, fast food, etc. and girls sit with them for it. I had guys get offended one day bc I wouldn't "enjoy their hospitality" and chose to sit with the bouncer rather than eat their pizza and hang out for free. I know this is like "Wee! Strip club hack!" for customers, but IMO it's pathetic to watch the girls who will do this. I am worth way more than a couple slices of pizza.

    Those girls are either just new, or not confident enough to know they are worth more than that. It's like a girl who will let you use Netflix-and-Chill as a date vs. one who insists on dinner and a movie at least.
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    Gameover, I think we've all seen this more in the last couple of years. It's almost always the younger/newer girls. We had a table last month and were doing shots with a couple of dancers. About an hour in I asked one of the girls if she wanted to do any dances. She said she was having fun just hanging out and relaxing. Now she may have known that I pay for time but I hadn't seen her before. These girls either develop their hustle or find some other kind of work. Also, very drunk girls don't seem to be thinking as much about making money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRegrets View Post
    Gameover, I think we've all seen this more in the last couple of years. It's almost always the younger/newer girls. We had a table last month and were doing shots with a couple of dancers. About an hour in I asked one of the girls if she wanted to do any dances. She said she was having fun just hanging out and relaxing. Now she may have known that I pay for time but I hadn't seen her before. These girls either develop their hustle or find some other kind of work. Also, very drunk girls don't seem to be thinking as much about making money.
    That's crazy! I am fairly new to this game (only the past 18 months) but right from the off I knew this was a JOB. I don't get drunk, don't sit in the dressing room, don't hang out with customers unless they are paying me to chat. They get one or two songs max and if they aren't biting, I move on. I do this over and over all shift long, I maybe take one 10 min break all night if it is slow. If I want to hang out and get drunk I'll go out with my friends on a non work night. But I see this a lot with new girls and they usually wise up quickly or never come back.
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    I value my time too much to waste it. Also, I'm confident that I'm worth the money paid to be entertained by me- Ifeel sad for the ladies who seem unable to reach this awareness and I hope they learn it during their lives at some point.
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    Idk, the minimum wage workforce is way too demanding for what it pays, imho. I had to go through an extensive background check and be interviewed three times to get a job that pays 9.26/hr. I get reprimanded if I'm a minute late, I have to request for a day off a month in advance, and any theoretical issues I have would have to be filtered through a lengthy HR hierarchy. God help me if I'm ever assaulted or harassed at work. What would have been a swift, instantly gratifying kick in the nuts or slap across the face at the club is now a formal complaint system that would probably take weeks or months to be resolved. Talk about exploitation!

    If this is the norm for a minimum wage worker, I can see why stripping--even for a meager salary--is alluring.
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    ^^^^exactly! Like if dancers worked at the strip club for minimum wage - that b*tch better be the happiest place on earth

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    Usually what I do (like many of the other dancers have replied) when I feel like it's "slow" is calculate what my hourly earnings work out to. If its under $20/hr, I feel like I need to up my game. However, even recently when I've been dragging ass, I make at least that much. The money is always better than anywhere else I could work- even with my degree. For minimum wage though... Honestly probably not, I've always loved dancing and proud to call myself a career entertainer. A large part of that though is the money, and the time I get to spend with my family while still keeping a roof over our heads.
    When I feel stagnant, I try something new. I've just started camming, which I'm seeing as a fun new challenge. My husband and I, just today, discussed my work life once I age out of the industry, and I replied that by then he will have finished his masters, be supporting us full time, and I can figure it out then.
    I went way off topic, but what I'm getting at is that this has been my life for so long that it is very hard to imagine what I'd choose- min wage flipping burgers, or getting paid to be pretty, work out, and have fun. Hmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoRegrets View Post
    Gameover, I think we've all seen this more in the last couple of years. It's almost always the younger/newer girls. We had a table last month and were doing shots with a couple of dancers. About an hour in I asked one of the girls if she wanted to do any dances. She said she was having fun just hanging out and relaxing. Now she may have known that I pay for time but I hadn't seen her before. These girls either develop their hustle or find some other kind of work. Also, very drunk girls don't seem to be thinking as much about making money.
    I have to admit, I've never seen a dancer turn a dance down when asked, but it doesn't surprise me at all.

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    ^^^I was just about to say the younger greener girls would be most likely to do this.

    When you're younger you're not as fiscally wise and don't have as many responsibilities or other people to support.

    Also if they are partying and getting sloshed, they're probably losing track of time.

    Another point is I've seen the young hot newbie dancers who haven't mastered the hustle spend hours with one guy/table as like a pity hustle. Hoping these guys get the hint and be like "well sparkle, you spent 1 hour listening to me ramble and gawk at your tits, now I must pay you for your time" ---- sad thing is they rarely do or if they do the money they paid is not worth what they could have gotten in greener pastures.

    But these girls, unless they are financial masochists, will wise up real quick when its the end of the week/month and they can't pay their bills.
    Yeah, alcohol really does affect judgment and it is easy to lose track of time. I saw a group of 3 guys and five dancers were hanging out at the "open bar" at the table. The club was probably happy, because the guys probably spent a few hundred on drinks. But the guys would just tip a buck when a girl would go on stage--no dances. At one point, one of the dancers shouted to the waitress, "Fireballs for everyone!", and the waitress quickly brought them all a round. It's not like the club is dead either. It is usually pretty full on late Friday afternoons with guys getting off work (this was probably around 6pm). One of the dancers jumped on another dancer's lap at the table and was grinding on her lap while they waited for another round to arrive. To be honest, I enjoyed watching this group more than the stage show

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    The majority of dancers would get out of the business if the earnings level got that low. And, although the stigma is slowly fading from the industry, even here in liberal Portland there are plenty of people ready to hate on strippers.

    You also have to consider the fact that we have to provide all of our outfits and shoes as well as beauty care which can get to be pretty expensive. If dancers are only making minimum wage, how are they supposed to pay for all that makeup, hair products, spray tans, mani-pedis, and outfits? Considering a single lipstick costs around $20 and lasts roughly 3 months, I don't think may women will get into the business if they can't at least pocket enough money to cover expenses.

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