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    If it makes feminists and right wing evangelicals froth at the mouth, then yeah it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    Have you seen the sugar baby explosion on tumblr? In some cases it's like all out warfare on there, because now men are creating accounts to tell their sides of the story. So you have parallel worlds where one side gives advice on how to snag a sugar daddy, and then the other side gives advice on how to get as much as possible without spending money. Lots of the advice given makes me question how authentic these people are. Like are they really living the life or living out a fantasy in the form of a blog. It happens on forums too. And you're right about things being more mainstream. This applies to the sex industry as a whole I believe. I see it on twitter quite a bit where people have accounts tweeting all day getting into arguments about female empowerment in regards to sexuality but I know in reality they're just frontin. Some will follow me then will privately ask questions that if they were living the life they should know.
    Exactly - I honestly think most of that falls under the category of "creative writing". But these days a person can say "I need a sugar daddy" and really mean it, and not be ostracized. I guess it is both good and bad.

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    I never understood that myth. Anybody handing over thousands of dollars to someone else just because they look good. Everybody will pony up in the end and I mean that literally. Or your shit will be repossessed.
    When I said "friends with benefits " sex is included as a benefit. What I also meant was that unlike escorting it's more personal. You know real names, what school they go to, careers, hobbies, etc. From what I've learned here in escorting you quote a price on your ad or over the phone. In sugaring you meet in person to decide if you would like to spend time together and see if you can come to an agreement between the two of you if you're "compatible". It's in the details ( the difference between sugaring and escorting).
    As one member who escorts put it and I don't remember the exact quote but " sugaring is dumb because you make way less and put in way more...." Kinda like the difference in stripping and camming. One is dancing and the other is porn but the person is naked in both cases.
    I know what you mean. Personally, IMHO you shouldn't be a "sugar daddy" unless you can afford at least 5k a month, and that shouldn't be more than 5% of your take home; anything more isn't fiscally prudent. Yes, I just said you need to net 1.2m a year or more to have an SB. If you don't have that, see an escort. I've heard they can be quite friendly if you see them regularly :-). If you need a GF style relationship, see a cam girl. If you want lots of different hot people, go to a club. There is something for every budget and taste. But pretending to be daddy warbucks when you aren't is just going to hurt someone.

    The other issue, at least for Americans, is legality. Camming, sugaring, and dancing are all legal. In the US, for some reason, escorting isn't. I just got back from Germany, where escorting is legal. If you look on a site like kaufmich.com (translates to "buy me") most of the prices are relatively similar to US despite a much greater risk to the escorts.
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    Thanks for thread I am exploring SD sites since when I start dancing. And it helped. My experience was that just in the beginning I met a guy and things went in a way that we fall in love. The thing was that he is from another city, another continent and I love the city where I leave. He would have supported me completely, but was bit risky to move and things didn't work. So I didn't get any money out and of him anymore neither. My dancing job Was a pain, but He was trying to accept. As he was no paying my rent and he wanted to support me if I would have become the woman of his life. So after I had a younger guy, all fun. But few times he stared to be more emotional than usual and i back off, as things went fast and got emotional as well, so I put it with him on the transactional level of With him to gain time and make it less romantic, less complex. Reading trough this thread made me understand few things that I didn't get so far in terms of dinamics on S Relationship. Viewed from a point of view of dancer positions ( sex work) In my case I think I was just bit naïf and mix up bit of all. In the beginning I was getting quiet a bit of extra money outside the club with sugaring. Lately tho when the dinamics became bit more complex took a lot of my energy and paradoxically I start to make less money dancing. For my experience it is sex work just what the guys wants us slightly different. I have no much experience as escort (a part the last meeting with the younger that leaded to a very cold relationship now), but with sugaring they want to fulfill an emotional gap. Sometimes even cheap sex is true. But some want The illusion of a relationship. A security. No matter what they do the emotional connection is there. Is no just a call girl, more like a friend FWB and the mutual benefit is sex for money. So they have a stable someone, although there are no drama. This guys are usually busy with full life still, don't want hassles in their free time. Like copping with girlfriend lifestyle duty etc. This is my point of view. Of course if the relationship becomes more, things would change, but I think that the base is this which is bit different than escorting. I spent also lot of time texting and replying keeping the connection ( at any time if the day) on which doesn't exist in escort's life. Honestly I found it bit tiring in the end, in comparison to the money I made. So I am bit away from that site this weeks. I think to better my skills is a valuable substitute to dancing.

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    The IRS sees it as sex work. All the gifts, all the bills or rent they cover, the car they loan you, etc. All of it is legit income. Even if he's paying you NOT to have sex or NOT to do something, its still a service in exchange for tangible goods.

    As far as I'm concerned...it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks it is what it is. At least in the US, the court rulings are very clear that even non-sexual sugarbaby work is indeed work, and anything at all gained from it is income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatyBoleyn View Post
    The IRS sees it as sex work. All the gifts, all the bills or rent they cover, the car they loan you, etc. All of it is legit income. Even if he's paying you NOT to have sex or NOT to do something, its still a service in exchange for tangible goods.

    As far as I'm concerned...it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks it is what it is. At least in the US, the court rulings are very clear that even non-sexual sugarbaby work is indeed work, and anything at all gained from it is income.
    Isn't there a number/ amount before the IRS comes in play? I thought for some reason as long as it's under $10,000 a year you don't have to claim it. Maybe I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wish View Post
    Isn't there a number/ amount before the IRS comes in play? I thought for some reason as long as it's under $10,000 a year you don't have to claim it. Maybe I'm wrong.
    $400/year in self-employment income before you have to report it. When you work for yourself, you are a business.

    $10,000 is a general guideline for people filing 1040's from employers, but its really dumb not to in that case as you'll miss a lot of refunds and credits.

    Here's the cool part though...you can literally put anything you want there as to what the (truthful) source of income was and the IRS is not going to go check the legality of it. The IRS cannot initiate an investigation except when tax fraud is concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatyBoleyn View Post
    $400/year in self-employment income before you have to report it. When you work for yourself, you are a business.

    $10,000 is a general guideline for people filing 1040's from employers, but its really dumb not to in that case as you'll miss a lot of refunds and credits.

    Here's the cool part though...you can literally put anything you want there as to what the (truthful) source of income was and the IRS is not going to go check the legality of it. The IRS cannot initiate an investigation except when tax fraud is concerned.
    I read somewhere that the Sugar daddy would be considered the employer. Which is where I got that $10,000 from.

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    Is he paying Social Security, FICA, and quarterly payroll taxes for you? Is he providing you an option for retirement or health insurance? Does he give you a W-2 at the end of the year?

    If not, you're not his employee, you are self-employed providing him whatever you agreed upon and he is compensating you in some way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatyBoleyn View Post
    Is he paying Social Security, FICA, and quarterly payroll taxes for you? Is he providing you an option for retirement or health insurance? Does he give you a W-2 at the end of the year?

    If not, you're not his employee, you are self-employed providing him whatever you agreed upon and he is compensating you in some way.
    True. That makes more sense to me.

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    From a tax perspective he is giving you money he has already paid taxes on. If he gives you more than $20,000 in a year you could technically be required to file a "gift tax" form but no one ever does and enforcement is low to non-existent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahuba View Post
    From a tax perspective he is giving you money he has already paid taxes on. If he gives you more than $20,000 in a year you could technically be required to file a "gift tax" form but no one ever does and enforcement is low to non-existent.
    Maybe that's what I'm trying to say. A gift tax.

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    If it were a gift from a family member or a church giving you something out of "charitable disinterest" then it would apply. In this case it doesn't and the established case law is very clear. If you accept any kind of compensation for your time, in the form of money, rent, utilities, a car, etc, it is not a gift no matter what you want to call it. The IRS doesn't care if you call it a "birthday present" or a "yogurt enema", its still pay for play.

    The argument that he's giving you money he's already paid taxes on is invalid. All money spent on anything has already been taxed. It will be taxed again when it comes to you. It will be taxed again and again when you spend it.

    Yes, you can avoid or simply not report it, but if you're caught you are still going to jail for tax fraud or facing very heavy fines/penalties/interest. Its still illegal. It is up to you to decide if you want to face that reality or keep trying to talk your way around it or conjure up some wishful thinking. In the courtroom, the IRS doesn't play though and none of the arguments here are going to fly.

    Here's a cute article on the subject: https://julianblocktaxexpert.com/art...n-money-taxes/

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatyBoleyn View Post
    If it were a gift from a family member or a church giving you something out of "charitable disinterest" then it would apply. In this case it doesn't and the established case law is very clear. If you accept any kind of compensation for your time, in the form of money, rent, utilities, a car, etc, it is not a gift no matter what you want to call it. The IRS doesn't care if you call it a "birthday present" or a "yogurt enema", its still pay for play.

    The argument that he's giving you money he's already paid taxes on is invalid. All money spent on anything has already been taxed. It will be taxed again when it comes to you. It will be taxed again and again when you spend it.

    Yes, you can avoid or simply not report it, but if you're caught you are still going to jail for tax fraud or facing very heavy fines/penalties/interest. Its still illegal. It is up to you to decide if you want to face that reality or keep trying to talk your way around it or conjure up some wishful thinking. In the courtroom, the IRS doesn't play though and none of the arguments here are going to fly.

    Here's a cute article on the subject: https://julianblocktaxexpert.com/art...n-money-taxes/
    That's one school of thought. I can assure you, enforcement on sugarbabies is not a priority. The money that a man gives his girlfriend, which, for many purposes, a sugarbaby is, is NOT taxed. Remember, law and case law are two different things.
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    Actually, Bahuba, I do file a gift tax every year as an sugar baby. Sugaring is a business to me and I treat it as an business. Sure, the IRS does not have to enforce but I file as apart of covering my own ass.


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    From a tax perspective he is giving you money he has already paid taxes on. If he gives you more than $20,000 in a year you could technically be required to file a "gift tax" form but no one ever does and enforcement is low to non-existent.
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    I have to disagree, Bahuba. Personally, I view sugaring as sex work and file a gift tax each year. Being an sugar baby is not like being a man's girlfriend...it is apart of sex work and I treat it as such. Sure, it is not high priority for the IRA but I still cover my own ass. Sugaring is apart of legal sex work and it could be taxed as such. However, I believe it depends if you treated as business or not. I guess if people view as some sort of special "relationship" between two people then I guess they do not have to file. However, I do not see sugaring as some sort of spoiled girlfriend relationship but as an business arrangement. I treat it as an business arrangement...not some emotional relationship where gifts and allowance is given. We play our roles to make the business arrangement work and that is it. So, I agree with Katy Boleyn on this matter when it comes to taxes and sugaring. However, it is just depends on the sugar baby and how they view their arrangements.
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    That's one school of thought. I can assure you, enforcement on sugarbabies is not a priority. The money that a man gives his girlfriend, which, for many purposes, a sugarbaby is, is NOT taxed. Remember, law and case law are two different things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahuba View Post
    ...Remember, law and case law are two different things.
    In this case, written law and case law agree with each other completely...pay for play (or even pay for "not to play") arrangements of any kind are a business transaction and are taxed as such.

    Evading taxes on such an arrangement is at your own risk, but you should take that risk with your eyes wide open. You know its illegal to pick up your kid at school with a joint in your mouth, but you make the informed decision whether or not to do so. You know that unprotected sex could have some consequences later, especially if the guy is telling you, "That's just a zit, don't worry about it," - entirely your choice to proceed.

    I just don't want anyone to come along reading this that its an opinion. Its not. This is established case law based on very real tax law. They should be under no delusions that tax dodging can come with consequences down the road...or they simply might get lucky and not get caught.

    For me, a healthy percent is worth my peace of mind. I have a family and other obligations, I can't afford to get saddled with a lien from the IRS or a fun stint in federal prison. When you're younger and with less people counting on you, it might make sense to take that risk.

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    So now I'm wondering as far as taxes are related is it easier (like easier for the younger women who may not be as savvy) tax wise to have the trustworthy Sugar Daddy pay bill such as tuition etc. direct himself like the money never hits your wallet or bank account.

    And what do you think Katy about sugar babies? You believe it is bonafide work but do you think it's sex industry adult work?
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    Technically speaking, whether the money hits your account or not, its still "in kind" compensation for services...with the legal exception of "given in contemplation of marriage". The taxation would be the same. I personally would just get the cash if given the choice - a stranger paying your college tuition, for example, may create other awkwardness or issues than just odd tax situations. With tuition specifically, this is something that is tracked on your tax return and it may raise questions if your tuition was magically paid but there's no other income to show how it was paid.

    Sugar baby work is a bona fide job, yes. As for the job itself, there's a million different "tasks" involved with being someone's "sugar baby", and any given relationship may involve 1 or a hundred of them. If sex, teasing for sex, sexual fantasy with or without contact, or sexuality control is part of the equation (you can or can't do this or that!), then it is certainly sex work and would fall squarely into "sex industry" as you put it. If it was strictly platonic companionship, then it would fall closer to the "hospitality" industry or a caregiver category. This part is certainly up for debate.

    But, lets face it, whomever is paying you or "keeping you" is generally doing so with some ulterior motive, even if they know it might remain unfulfilled. No matter how "gentlemanly" they remain, there is a "sexual" motive there even if its not consummated.

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    I really respect your opinions, but I respectfully disagree, and I've seen a fair bit of the world from the other side. It is great that you choose to make your income public, but how do you file without the other party? A gift letter is done by the giving party. I find it remarkable that you have a sugar daddy willing to take that very public step. Regardless, though I know many who do not and I can't personally find any case law to support it, I'm sure you are experienced and that your choices are good ones.
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    Great question, Bahuba. This is true...most sugar daddies and sugar babies would not do this. However, I talked about with one of mine and he agree. He spend a large amount and he felt that it was everyone's best interest to do an gift tax.I also believe that he agree to this because he wanted his taxable estate to be lower as well. That what I mean that I file gift tax every year. Now, not everyone agrees and I just report all of the other gifts that I receive from everyone else. Since I file as freelancer entertainer, it can be seen as apart of the profession. Again, I believe that is rarely but it works for me

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    I really respect your opinions, but I respectfully disagree, and I've seen a fair bit of the world from the other side. It is great that you choose to make your income public, but how do you file without the other party? A gift letter is done by the giving party. I find it remarkable that you have a sugar daddy willing to take that very public step. Regardless, though I know many who do not and I can't personally find any case law to support it, I'm sure you are experienced and that your choices are good ones.
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    I figured it was theoretically possible, but I personally hadn't heard of that arrangement in practice. The drawback I could see with that is that it sets up a de facto support obligation on his behalf if he does this year over year. If he were to suddenly cut you off, it opens him up to lawsuits claiming support liabilities similar to alimony or child support. As for the IRS, they may just remain satisfied that he's claiming something and paying taxes at all, but if they really pushed I don't think it would fly in court. Often it comes down to whether or not they want to spend the $10,000 to $20,000 in legal costs to recover a difference of a few $1000.

    Obviously if he's spending enough to warrant a gift tax arrangement, he's got enough to hire a slick accountant to take the heat.

    Still for the majority that don't have such a situation, just list your "gifts" under "other income" on your Schedule C and call it a day.

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    I feel like in most of the "gifts" from suitor cases, the reason the money or gifts were considered income was because the ladies had more than one suitor. If a woman had only one Sugar daddy, it would be more likely that the money/gifts would be construed as just a gift. Obviously, this applies more to the spoiled girlfriend than the pay-to-meet spectrum that sugar relationships fall on.


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    It doesn't matter what you call it, if you're having sex for money you're a sex worker

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    We got cake and cupcakes, still made from cake mix. that is how I see sugaring.
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    Hey I've done a bit of sugaring and according to most of the sugar babies i've chatted to there are two types of 'sugar baby'::: Sugar babies who go on dates / trips in exchange for money and gifts and have no romantic connection, these girls consider themselves to be sex-workers, but NOT escorts /AND/ 'spoilt girlfriends' who are usually ex sugar babies who have fallen for their sugar daddies, now have an exclusive and romantic relationship, and no longer consider themselves sex workers. This however is just my experience talking to people but I hope it clears things up? For me personally I avoided the denomination "escort' to avoid its legal ramifications and i believe others do the same

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