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    I am currently in the middle of reading this book. Taking me a while because my schedule is so busy and I cant be reading at work.

    Wondering- did you read it? and what did you think?

    Did it help increase earnings AT work, or do you have to apply to DATES that you go on OTC?

    Right now it seems like I'd have to convert a customer into a OTC Date before I can actually use the lessons from this book. And even then it's not guaranteed to work, at least not right away...? Because I'd have to sift through/ make out with a bunch of broke jokes before finding something that clicks, which is a process that will take A LOT of time, via trial and error (re: 2nd to 3rd dates, and so on...).

    And phone sex as a requirement? I usually find phone sex and dirty talk to be pretty corny... It's a specific niche that enjoys it, right? There must be plenty of wealthy men who think its corny too, and I'm worried I'd just lose this demographic once I try lines like "i want to taste your balls", etc. Or maybe I'm totally wrong about this.

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    Default Re: Ho Tactics by G.L. Lambert

    (this thread might be more appropriate in the Hustle Hut section- sorry mods)

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    Yeah I read it.

    I like how a man is teaching women how to hustle the male species. I wish I had read it when I was younger I'd probably be richer and less heartache.

    It seems to be for a more urban audience however many of the techniques can apply to any type of man. At the least, you'll be wiser when dealing with a male ho and getting what you can out of him (like material goods, money, etc) before he has a chance to smash and dash.

    I think it would work on anyone you don't plan on falling in love with.
    “Cook for him like a housewife, fuck him good like a nympho….pay the rent and the car note, he invests in me like crypto”

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    I honestly think it is a weak and 1-dimensional hustle that brings a shitload of drama into your life.
    There are smarter time vs return investment hustles out there.

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    Where is your book at?
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    Default Re: Ho Tactics by G.L. Lambert

    Read it, but a lot of the tips aren't applicable for my goals in real life because I am not purposely out and about to hustle. I used the psychology explained in the book in my interaction with men though (even guys I am not sexing with) and it seems guys generally like me more. I don't think a lot of the tips are applicable to strip club environment. Useful for escorting/sugaring/dating though.


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    I read about ten pages and just couldn't deal with it anymore.
    "There are different kinds of darkness. There is darkness that frightens, the darkness that soothes, the darkness that is restful. There is the darkness of lovers, and the darkness of assassins. It becomes what the bearer wishes it to be, needs it to be. It is not wholly bad or good."
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Where is your book at?

    lol.ok.
    All the info is already out there for free on the internet so I wouldn't bother writing a book would I- There is in fact much better info here in SW just in the threads.

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    I read it earlier this year. I like it but it's not the be all end all to hustling and I think it really applies to younger guys (under 40) for getting him to give you things, money, pay your bills.
    Thus hustle for older men is similar but different. But you can be more upfront with them and HONESTLY if you're a stripper you should be getting paid to meet outside the club right off the bat.

    I think if you want men to spend more inside the club DancerWealth is a much better program, with quicker results. If you're not trying to have sex with a guy ever and really just want to get his money fast, some of the tips in Goal Digger's Guide could be nice, but some were unreasonable and only applicable for LA or some other city with a LOT of celebrities around (SF isn't really one of them.. there's an older crowd up in Marin area but Frank Capra and George Lucas seem a bit.. aspirational if you don't have an "in")

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    That book is specifically for a certain type of hustle - hustling rich tricks who DON'T KNOW that they are tricks. That's the entire hustle in that book. Guys who don't "trick", that you want to turn into tricks.

    So, the hustle doesn't work in the strip club, but the sales psychology in it certainly does. And if you want to make him want you, this book will help w that, because that helps guys spending money. But the whole hustle will only work on certain men. Just pick and choose through trial and error what will work for you, that's what I've done

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    I started reading it a while ago but havent finished it. I agree with dely so far it seems to mostly work on men outside the club who have no clue you're hustling them. Personally I just do not have the energy to get all dolled up and go to the mall in search of a man to hustle while I'm pretending to look at laptops or whatever he described lol. But I know girls from work who seem to do this naturally outside of the club or maybe just have the energy to do what the author describes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 22lligm View Post
    Personally I just do not have the energy to get all dolled up and go to the mall in search of a man to hustle while I'm pretending to look at laptops or whatever he described lol.
    lol amen i was thinking the same thing. So inefficient, energy-wise...

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    Actually, Ho Tactics is a pretty good book but it does not catered to different hustles. Frankly, it is gear more towards an urban audience and how to hustle men under 40. However, it does not really help me because I have been hustling men back in high school. Nor does it teach me any different hustles.Frankly, sales psychology in this book is on point. However, I did not know if that will help in the club. It work for light sugaring situations only. Seductress: Women Who Ravished the World and Their Lost Art of Love and Courtesans: Money, Sex and Fame in the Nineteenth Century helped my sugaring hustle a lot. Overall, great book for light sugaring situations. Again I do not know if it will apply to the strip setting.

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    Oooh, thanks DD! On my library hold list of reads.
    For me, I thought the other bk mentioned was ok, but for me not super helpful.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    Overall, great book for light sugaring situations.
    What do you define as "light sugaring"? This guy kinda makes fun of the idea of hustling for handbags, shoes, and bills (quote: "Any dumb stripper can do that"), and then he claims that you can get houses, cars, and vacations for free- without having any sex. Really??? I'm skeptical about the house/ cars /vacations bit. To me, that's pretty heavy sugaring- that's *almost* wife-status.

    As her first trick, Maria (The "hoexample" he uses) pouts on the phone and asks for a $5000 handbag, and mark gives in pretty quick, because he wants to go to the event, too, and wants to make her happy- so that he can try to have sex with her after the event, etc.

    Really? A $5000 bag? Just like that?

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    Great question, domina.

    Before answering your question, let me start off by saying that Ho Tactics can be seen as a rough satire on women's not knowing how to sugar. However, it is quite useful still Well,"light sugaring" is getting an allowance between 250 to 1500 per week, clothes, handbags, and some of your bills getting paid.In high school, I used to get 600 a month allowance from a high school senior. Plus I used to get clothes and a small allowance from a older blue-collar guy. Thus it was "light sugaring"."Middle sugaring" is allowance of 2500 and up per week or at least 6,000 per month, a brand new wardrobe, 20 pairs of shoes from brand name stores, all of your bills plus tuition paid, upgraded dental work,and upgraded apartment. In "light" and "middle" sugaring, guys never buy you homes but they might buy you some vacations or cars. Maybe even buy you some breast implants or get all of your dental stuff paid off. Then heavy sugaring is the motherload like a brand house in St. Barts, your whole student loan getting paid off, and getting 10,000- 25,000 per month. Heavy sugaring is to become an Angel baby or career sugar. You must become more refined and known a lot about upclass societies. You must have many different hustles to reach that status of Angel sugar. You do not have to have sex with a guy to get an 5,000 handbag. However, you must be interesting and unique enough to make your arrangement worth his wild if you are not going to be sexual. That non-sexual hustle must be mastered before you start sugaring. Personally, I like sugaring with highly paid blue collar young guys (21 to 39) because I can built a connection with them more. I know a lot of their music, fashion, and etc... My hustle is non-sexual with them but I must be more sensual and tap into their emotions more. I give them that experience they missed in high-school.However, I try to stay in that "light" or "middle" sugaring with them That heavy sugaring is for the upclass men

    Quote Originally Posted by domina View Post
    What do you define as "light sugaring"? This guy kinda makes fun of the idea of hustling for handbags, shoes, and bills (quote: "Any dumb stripper can do that"), and then he claims that you can get houses, cars, and vacations for free- without having any sex. Really??? I'm skeptical about the house/ cars /vacations bit. To me, that's pretty heavy sugaring- that's *almost* wife-status.

    As her first trick, Maria (The "hoexample" he uses) pouts on the phone and asks for a $5000 handbag, and mark gives in pretty quick, because he wants to go to the event, too, and wants to make her happy- so that he can try to have sex with her after the event, etc.

    Really? A $5000 bag? Just like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    Great question, domina.

    Before answering your question, let me start off by saying that Ho Tactics can be seen as a rough satire on women's not knowing how to sugar. However, it is quite useful still Well,"light sugaring" is getting an allowance between 250 to 1500 per week, clothes, handbags, and some of your bills getting paid.In high school, I used to get 600 a month allowance from a high school senior. Plus I used to get clothes and a small allowance from a older blue-collar guy. Thus it was "light sugaring"."Middle sugaring" is allowance of 2500 and up per week or at least 6,000 per month, a brand new wardrobe, 20 pairs of shoes from brand name stores, all of your bills plus tuition paid, upgraded dental work,and upgraded apartment. In "light" and "middle" sugaring, guys never buy you homes but they might buy you some vacations or cars. Maybe even buy you some breast implants or get all of your dental stuff paid off. Then heavy sugaring is the motherload like a brand house in St. Barts, your whole student loan getting paid off, and getting 10,000- 25,000 per month. Heavy sugaring is to become an Angel baby or career sugar. You must become more refined and known a lot about upclass societies. You must have many different hustles to reach that status of Angel sugar. You do not have to have sex with a guy to get an 5,000 handbag. However, you must be interesting and unique enough to make your arrangement worth his wild if you are not going to be sexual. That non-sexual hustle must be mastered before you start sugaring. Personally, I like sugaring with highly paid blue collar young guys (21 to 39) because I can built a connection with them more. I know a lot of their music, fashion, and etc... My hustle is non-sexual with them but I must be more sensual and tap into their emotions more. I give them that experience they missed in high-school.However, I try to stay in that "light" or "middle" sugaring with them That heavy sugaring is for the upclass men
    Thanks for the responses so far!

    More questions:

    -so with the "sugaring"-no sex acts/ suggestions in the picture??? Lambert claims that "HOing" does not necessary need to do sex, but there is phone sex and lots of sex talk/ photos in the hustle.

    As I understand it, sugar-babying these days involves some sexual exchange to some extent... can be characterized as a semi-romantic semi-platonic pseudo-prostitution deal... Meaning, you do the sex not for an immediate and specific amount of $$$, but for various gifts and favors and intermittent $$$ over a sustained short/long-term relationship.

    -in the case of your "non-sexual" hustle, are you still faking/ lying/ acting that you will/ might do it? In other words, are there ANY lies/ deceit involved? Or can you be totally honest and ask for money, while they know, for a fact, that they're never gonna actually tap it?

    -How do allowances work? Do you straight up ask for X amount per week/ month in advance, as per agreement, or do you have to ask each time, popping the question in surprise? Lambert writes like you have to set up each specific request with a sob story/ reasoning, "hey handsome oh btw i need $X dollars for XYZ reason, please" as opposed to "Please give me $XYZ.00; You don't need to know why or what for."

    -do you have other resources/ book for more info? Thanks again!

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    More interesting questions, Domina!

    1. Domina, your question about phone sex is quite interesting because I work mainly as pso. However, I can include phone sex as part of the deal. It is easy for me to have phone sex since I have been a pso for 12 years. However, you do not need to have phone sex...just do something to make you more sensual. Anything from a lap dance to photos in your bikini. But never give too much of yourself sexually.

    2. Non-sexual hustles can be a bit harder but I usually play several different non-sexual hustles. Usually, I present a more sensual, romantic, and feminine image for this whole time.If I choose to have sex, then everyone decides on making a connection. Usually, non-sexual hustles last between 3 months to 2 years. For me, I just play a role and live it.

    Non-sexual hustles include:

    *Ice-cold 1920s vamp looking men to warm her up.(Usually a hit with working-class boys and older working-class who remember)
    *Wholesome submissive looking a master to take care of her (I am a perfect switch. There are male doms usually daddy doms who love taking care of women.)
    * Romantic goddess/fairy tale princess/folklore feminine being like Kianda or Rusalka looking for a connection (Strangely-this is a hit foreign men such as West African businessmen and other foreign businessmen. It is very strange but you should remind them of the tales of their childhood.)
    * 90s alternative or rap chick looking for a deep connection with men with either submissive or domme ways (This is a big hit with working class guys because a lot of them love music from 90s. However these guys are between 21-39 and can not connect with girls in 21st century too well)
    * Honorable girl who is waiting for the right man to give their body to for relationship with man.
    However, you can pick whatever that will make you the most comfortable.

    * Allowances: You should talk about that on the third date if you are talking in person and after the 6th email if he is online. You make him an amount offer and if he agrees then you write out a contact and put in what you are going to do. You do not need a sob story because men should know what they are paying for. They are paying for the experience.

    * Resources: You should read up on silent movie actresses such as Pola Negri, Theda Bara, and Gloria Swanson. They were sugar babies during their careers Also look at courtesans such as Klondike Kate, La Païva,Pamela Beryl Harriman, Divine Brown (Hugh Grant's ex-sex worker friend. She turn her moment of fame into a million dollar empire), and Lola Montez. Plus should read books by BDSM professionals such as Maîtresse Françoise and Vanessa Duriès.


    Quote Originally Posted by domina View Post
    Thanks for the responses so far!

    More questions:

    -so with the "sugaring"-no sex acts/ suggestions in the picture??? Lambert claims that "HOing" does not necessary need to do sex, but there is phone sex and lots of sex talk/ photos in the hustle.

    As I understand it, sugar-babying these days involves some sexual exchange to some extent... can be characterized as a semi-romantic semi-platonic pseudo-prostitution deal... Meaning, you do the sex not for an immediate and specific amount of $$$, but for various gifts and favors and intermittent $$$ over a sustained short/long-term relationship.

    -in the case of your "non-sexual" hustle, are you still faking/ lying/ acting that you will/ might do it? In other words, are there ANY lies/ deceit involved? Or can you be totally honest and ask for money, while they know, for a fact, that they're never gonna actually tap it?

    -How do allowances work? Do you straight up ask for X amount per week/ month in advance, as per agreement, or do you have to ask each time, popping the question in surprise? Lambert writes like you have to set up each specific request with a sob story/ reasoning, "hey handsome oh btw i need $X dollars for XYZ reason, please" as opposed to "Please give me $XYZ.00; You don't need to know why or what for."

    -do you have other resources/ book for more info? Thanks again!

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    donadiabla- do you find your marks/ clients in club settings, and then move OTC? Or you begin elsewhere? Do they know they are being hustled... or are they perfectly aware of the situation they are "purchasing"?

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    Domina,

    What I am talking about will not be really useful in your club setting.Actually, it can be seen as a different career .You must meet those guys both online and outside of the clubs. Remember everyone has different marks However, men need to know your arrangement upfront.Your second question is difficult for me to answer because I really do not know. Personally, I believe that men who deal with me do not give it a second thought or keep it themselves. We have a good time and men should feel refreshed plus wanted.


    Quote Originally Posted by domina View Post
    donadiabla- do you find your marks/ clients in club settings, and then move OTC? Or you begin elsewhere? Do they know they are being hustled... or are they perfectly aware of the situation they are "purchasing"?

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    Right now I am trying to figure how to level up my hustle (via Ho Tactics) if I am currently working as a dancer. The customers I want to upgrade to Sugar-providers, they already know I make certain amount $$$ per shift, all they would have to do is come in and see me at work... So how can I be like, "Oh no, please help, I need more $$$ for XYZ"-- They might just respond with, "Well that means you just need to keep going in to work for a few more days, right? You're doing OK, i can see." I'd have to ask for way larger amounts of money for it to make sense... but how to gradually work up to that? The headphones trick won't work as a test, it's too obvious I can afford my own, they're already giving me money for dances/ rooms. I need to practice... "How to Ask." Start in the triple-digits? Four? Five? Increase in installments? Maintain steady stream? How often is good? And really, i don't care so much about the material gifts, I prefer straight up cash.

    This type of thing requires good imagination skills... But also, i don't want to jinx anyone's health or well-being by claiming, you know, some kind of car accident or trauma or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domina View Post
    Right now I am trying to figure how to level up my hustle (via Ho Tactics) if I am currently working as a dancer. The customers I want to upgrade to Sugar-providers, they already know I make certain amount $$$ per shift, all they would have to do is come in and see me at work... So how can I be like, "Oh no, please help, I need more $$$ for XYZ"-- They might just respond with, "Well that means you just need to keep going in to work for a few more days, right? You're doing OK, i can see." I'd have to ask for way larger amounts of money for it to make sense... but how to gradually work up to that? The headphones trick won't work as a test, it's too obvious I can afford my own, they're already giving me money for dances/ rooms. I need to practice... "How to Ask." Start in the triple-digits? Four? Five? Increase in installments? Maintain steady stream? How often is good? And really, i don't care so much about the material gifts, I prefer straight up cash.

    This type of thing requires good imagination skills... But also, i don't want to jinx anyone's health or well-being by claiming, you know, some kind of car accident or trauma or whatever.
    I hear you. As a dancer reading the book, I don't really think the pity party will work for us. The guys KNOW we make money. I think the better thing is to emphasize our VALUE and if they would like to be a sugar daddy they need to make it worth our while because we could just as easily go in to work. Pity money has never worked for me. HOWEVER saying something like "I'm so excited to go on this luxurious trip, I worked so hard for it! If only I saved up xxx for yyy that would make my trip so much better" THAT has worked for me. Guys love knowing they made your day by getting you that extra thing for your trip etc. Make sure you are super enthusiastic and grateful because they will keep it up. A lot of times you can do that without even seeing them OTC.

    I myself am still trying to figure out how to get MORE.

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    I read this book. I thought the headphones test was so stupid. The girl tells the guy, "I need an emergency pair of headphones", who would need that? I just thought some of the tactics were a lil desperate too.
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    I don't think you have to do exactly what he says. I believe these are just examples. Get him to buy something that is suitable for you (headphones if you're into music, jewelry if that's your thing, gift cards, etc)
    “Cook for him like a housewife, fuck him good like a nympho….pay the rent and the car note, he invests in me like crypto”

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    Default Re: Ho Tactics by G.L. Lambert

    Domina,

    This is not from a dancer perceptive but from a hustling perceptive. First, you do not need a pity party in order to get what you want from me. G.L. Lambert was just talking about girls who did not know how to ask for more what they want. So, they had to use a pity hustle and get money that way. Anyways, it will not work for you because you must sell your value to these men. So, you do not need a the headphone trick as dancer. However, you can try if a man wants to be your sugar daddy....then show them your value and how they should work to be with you. Key to be super enthusiastic, grateful, and tell men what you are about. As far as the allowance, usually I start off with triple-digits plus gifts and then men decide to increase the installments.


    Quote Originally Posted by domina View Post
    Right now I am trying to figure how to level up my hustle (via Ho Tactics) if I am currently working as a dancer. The customers I want to upgrade to Sugar-providers, they already know I make certain amount $$$ per shift, all they would have to do is come in and see me at work... So how can I be like, "Oh no, please help, I need more $$$ for XYZ"-- They might just respond with, "Well that means you just need to keep going in to work for a few more days, right? You're doing OK, i can see." I'd have to ask for way larger amounts of money for it to make sense... but how to gradually work up to that? The headphones trick won't work as a test, it's too obvious I can afford my own, they're already giving me money for dances/ rooms. I need to practice... "How to Ask." Start in the triple-digits? Four? Five? Increase in installments? Maintain steady stream? How often is good? And really, i don't care so much about the material gifts, I prefer straight up cash.

    This type of thing requires good imagination skills... But also, i don't want to jinx anyone's health or well-being by claiming, you know, some kind of car accident or trauma or whatever.

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