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    Hey! So I'm not sure where this belongs but I just have to ask if this is normal... (warning long story)

    2 guys last night came in looking to spend a shit ton of money. Me and another girl (a veteran - possible extras, will refer to her as girl 1) were talking to them and they wanted to do a half hour VIP. My first warning sign was when girl 1 asked me if I had any blow and she found some for the guys to purchase... Anyways so we went into the VIP and they got mad when I wouldn't do any coke and tried to look for a different girl. Now girl 1 at this point gets her friend (girl 2). They went into VIP for maybe about 20 minutes when one of the guys came back out and asked for me and my friend. So at this point the guy I danced for (who isn't coked out of his mind like his friend - but his friend is the one paying for everything...) flat out says I don't want girl 1. The guy who's paying kind of just is like whatever. BUT at this point I kept noticing girl 1 would pop in every 10 minutes or so for a few seconds to "check up" on us. I didn't think anything of it at the time but apparently she was being continually marked as being in the VIP. So the guy spent 8000 in total for the night. Our VIPs are 1200 per hour. Girl 2 was in there for 2 hours, me and my friend for an hour. Should be 4800 total - leaving us with a hefty tip even after the 10% funny money cut. But because the other girl was marked as being there AND because she kept leaving to talk to the waitress (who is swiping the card) and the manager who she's buddies with - my friend and i got 500 each. Which means no tip.

    Is this just a thing that happens? My friend tried to argue it but I mean there's no point - they have the girls backs... But just curious as to what the fuck just happened lol.

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    Default Re: Is this normal? Sneaky girls taking more money

    That girl is a genius IMO. If the guy didn't argue about the bill, what can you do?

    May I ask how you know he would have tipped you? From what I gather, he would have just gotten a smaller bill. The math is confusing me a bit though, so there were 3 girls plus the shark? And is $500 the normal cut for the girl?
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    Yeah sorry it was honestly a bit confusing for me too. I know they swiped his card for 8000. Well they swiped his card like 3 times for a total of 8000. So if he spent 8000, then there's clearly more than how much the VIP should have actually cost him.

    Lol yeah she is I guess. I'm just more mad about the management. They tried to give me some bullshit about how they had ALREADY been in there 2 hours with the guy before me and my friend (definitely not true). An hour is 30 dances - a 600 cut for the girl. But after tip out it ends up being around 500.

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    Thats why I hate dancing for people coked out of their mind. And the more intoxicated the customer is and the more people involved the harder it is to keep track of $$$$ unless theres some payment to each dancer upfront. Anytime I go in with multiple dancers or blowheads I gotta get paid upfront so as to cut out any confusion, cutthroat tactics, etc.

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    If I were you, I would be on management's ass and make them check every receipt from him to prove that you were in fact there for the whole hour. They're taking over half of you and your friends cut - fuck that. Besides if you let them get away with this, then they'll most likely try to pull more shit like this in the future.

    Edit: okay so I just reread this and realized that $1200 is what the custie paid, not what your cut of the money was. In that case, the customer isn't entitled to tip you or your friend. Sorry. I was a little confused on what the post meant.
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    Did you ask for a tip? Did the guy specifically say "I would like to tip ____ $XXX amount."? If not, then you are not in title to a tip. You are in title to the time you did in the room which was 1 hour- $600, $500 after tip out. She didn't take any money from you. She is in with the hosts which means she more than likely tips them 20% or more of whatever she makes. This is why she was included in the room and was in (whether only popping in or not) for two hours.

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    ^ All of that.

    She got her $500/after tipout that she was entitled to. She's just pissed another girl knew how to game the system. The club will side with whatever girl nets them more money from the customer, and in this case it was her. Because of her, they got an extra $1200 in club profit, and the manager and waitress probably got at least a $100 tip each from that girl. You REALLY think they were going to side with you?

    It's one of those scenarios where there's 1 guy with money who does not give a FUCK and will sign whatever is given to him... BUT guy with money also specifically said he wanted to get a different girl instead of OP because she wouldn't do any coke. That right there tells me it's unlikely he would have tipped her anyway.
    I'm not saying you should have done coke, but it is a little ridiculous to get pissy that Girl 1 took more money. You weren't what he was looking for, she supplied him with what he was looking for in terms of drugs and another girl, so that's probably why she got whatever was left after club cut of the remaining $3200.
    It's the same principle as him saying "I want a blonde, you're a brunette" and then being upset when a blonde comes and takes more money.

    Honestly, I'd be glad they let you stay the hour and get $500; I've worked in clubs where they'd boot you from the room and throw $200 at you to go away if the customer changed his mind.
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    I know I'm not entitled to a tip that's not what I'm saying. Girl 1 left after we were all still dancing and she basically handled all the transactions - where the tips would go etc... That's just honestly really shitty considering that they explicitly told her - "we don't want you in here any more" and then she 1) gets counted for the rest of the time she was there 2) handled all the transactions... Lesson learned though to make sure I go out and figure it out myself.

    And he originally decided he wanted a different girl - that's girl 2. But afterwards me and my friend were pulled in to the room and girl 1 was kicked out. We hadn't started dancing at all when the first scenario of them wanting me to do coke had happened. I was like okay just get a different girl because I'm not down to do that. The guy said just put 8000 on my card - tip the girls. Plural. But to clarify they did pull me in the room and told the waitress to tip everyone with whatever was left after the club prices.

    Like they literally told the first girl "sorry we're going with these two instead" and she said "oh that's okay, i totally understand". Then went out to figure out where the money was going... I talked to the DJ the day after and he attested to the fact that he knows the two girls and if there is money to be had than they will take it...

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    I don't expect them to side with me but counting her as having been in the room when she wasn't and explicitly told that they didn't want her anymore is just a bit more than "siding with her" I'd say. And then letting her control all the tips and payments. Please.

    They tried to cover that up with saying that she was in there for like 2 hours before I was... Which is BS since it was literally 10 minutes when the guy came back out to get me and my friend and told her to leave.

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    Girl #1 definitely set something up with the host/waitress. They don't care if you and your friend got the tip, as long as they make their money.

    Anyway that's club politics for you. Strip club employees can be the shadiest. Now you know. Anyway the only way the club could've done something about that was if the customer had complained before they processed the payment (and if hes a high roller im sure they wouldve listened). Unfortunately it sounds like there's nothing you can do now.

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    That does sound like a really shady situation and I would be really irritated if I were you. You had to work harder than her for that hour but her sneakiness got her paid more money than you. Idk how these shady girls have the energy to come up with stuff like that and it seems like a whole other level of being money hungry lol. If I were told to leave a room I would just go find another customer to hustle. At least you know who not to do rooms with in the future.

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    So instead of girl getting kicked out they got added to the room which increases the price from 2 girls to 4. You're still not in title to a tip unless you ask for it or he says he wants to add it for you. Where are you working? Penthouse, scores, or where?
    You've only been dancing 2 months correct?

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    Yeah I'm still not seeing the issue. I'm willing to bet they wouldn't have tipped you to begin with so it shouldn't matter whether that girl who is in with management sucked money from him.
    I'm sorry but if he signed an $8000 bill he wouldn't have batted an eye at tipping a girl he wanted to.

    That's how NYC clubs work. You get in with the hosts and maybe you can be Girl 1 getting paid stupid amounts for nothing.
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    Seriously ^ you're lucky you didn't get kicked out compeltly.

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    Oh and I just noticed that she said Guy 2 ("her" guy) didn't want Girl 1, but Guy 1 with the credit card didn't give a shit. Sooooo I'm sorry but there's another lesson for you; it does not matter what the other guys want if they aren't paying for it. It's up to the guy with the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cindyrella View Post
    Hey! So I'm not sure where this belongs but I just have to ask if this is normal... (warning long story)

    2 guys last night came in looking to spend a shit ton of money. Me and another girl (a veteran - possible extras, will refer to her as girl 1) were talking to them and they wanted to do a half hour VIP. My first warning sign was when girl 1 asked me if I had any blow and she found some for the guys to purchase... Anyways so we went into the VIP and they got mad when I wouldn't do any coke and tried to look for a different girl. Now girl 1 at this point gets her friend (girl 2). They went into VIP for maybe about 20 minutes when one of the guys came back out and asked for me and my friend. So at this point the guy I danced for (who isn't coked out of his mind like his friend - but his friend is the one paying for everything...) flat out says I don't want girl 1. The guy who's paying kind of just is like whatever. BUT at this point I kept noticing girl 1 would pop in every 10 minutes or so for a few seconds to "check up" on us. I didn't think anything of it at the time but apparently she was being continually marked as being in the VIP. So the guy spent 8000 in total for the night. Our VIPs are 1200 per hour. Girl 2 was in there for 2 hours, me and my friend for an hour. Should be 4800 total - leaving us with a hefty tip even after the 10% funny money cut. But because the other girl was marked as being there AND because she kept leaving to talk to the waitress (who is swiping the card) and the manager who she's buddies with - my friend and i got 500 each. Which means no tip.

    Is this just a thing that happens? My friend tried to argue it but I mean there's no point - they have the girls backs... But just curious as to what the fuck just happened lol.
    OMG! what club you work at that has a 1200 per hour vip room,and where one can make 8000 dollars that easy? Something is telling me that sounds like some bullshit,but another part me I might to come where you at.

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    I live in Los Angeles! There's no VIP hosts of any kind. Our VIP room isn't even a room it's literally just a slightly bigger back area...
    The guy with the money was wayyy too fucked up to make any kind of decision. Like he wasn't part of the transactions. All he said was "tip everyone". He also agreed to kick out the first girl.

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    TLDR - Girl is buddies with management. Gets paid for 2 hours she DIDN'T DO and was asked to not be a part of. Dictates where tips went because guy was coked out of his mind but he did just say to tip everyone.

    Obviously I should have been more on top of my shit. But it's still fucked up.

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    Yeah cindyrella I agree it is fucked up and I would be pissed after all of that.

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    You have to be like a hawk in this industry. If the club is willing to overlook illegal activity like extras/drug use, then bet that they have no problem fucking you over.

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    Yeah I've heard it can be pretty cutthroat. I'm very laid back and don't really involve myself with the other girls so I was just shocked mostly. Also because management is so nice and laidback as well... I think that's why it bothered me more. Like if it was normally a every girl for herself environment then I'd have just been irritated but more understanding. Anyways I'm probably going to move clubs or even cities ^^ But just wanted to share.

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    yup. seen this happen, but usually as arielbriel wrote it. worked in a place where someone was pulling this shit and would get girls kicked out of vip in group rooms, even if it made the customer unhappy! even started FIGHTS ON THE FLOOR in front of customers! i would NOT speak to management, because all they will do is have you on the radar and fire you for the slightest thing, as fucked as that is.

    in the future, if you do a group room, ALWAYS advocate for the other girls in the group, even if you hate them. be all "omg! more the merrier! let's ALL have fun together!" that will make you look cooperative. so if some girl tries to be a bitch, she'll hang herself in front of customers. i will say sometimes taking the high road can be overrated- and very frustrating, but it's only short term in that way.

    it seems you also see how the tipping process works. i don't know if you do this, but i would try and advocate to have the customer tip the staff, such as hosts, waitresses, etc. well. this varies by city and club of course, but i think some other dancers pointed out good methods.

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    How much do you tip the host or waitress? (whoever is dealing with the transactions?)

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