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    Did you get the email? Supposedly some of us with best artistic, super high quality pictures will be painted and hanged in big cities in museums, galleries, make coffee table books?! and so far the incentive i'm getting from the email for us is getting, being FAMOUS? What is the owner smoking?

    I get that they own our asses through our contract, but.......

    So this is why they want high quality modeling portfolio pictures. I wonder how that will clash with some of us who have photographers that retain copyrights to our sexy photos.

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    They forgot to mention you will not see any money from it! There is another thing going on Lj. Apparently they are trying to do sitcom about camming so they are asking popular romanian girls if they are up to it. Luckily i am not romanian so this shit doesnt apply to me, but if you agree to do the crap sitcom, you will not get any penny from it.

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    The more I hear about LiveJasmin the more I'm glad I never signed up on that site. They just seem to get more and more slimy...

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    Well of course they wont pay us. But it will clash with so many copyrights. Just wanted your 2 cents on it. I think it's hilarious the lengths they go.

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    I feel like that can't actually be legal. I mean, yes, contracts on cam sites are pretty...loose regarding use of your image/photos/videos produced for, on, or to use for the site, but suddenly showing up and saying 'we're gonna sell these photos that some photographers and models still have an equally valid ownership claim to' is really pushing it.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but allowing LJ the right to use your photos doesn't mean you give up the rights to them, meaning models should technically still be able to challenge this, yes? I'm not a legal expert, mind you, and I've never seen their contract so I'm totally basing this on other sites I've worked for, but it sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

    I feel like a response to the email saying that you explicitly do not want your images used in any way due to safety concerns and the fact that you haven't released the copyright (nor has your photographer) might be a good start if you're super opposed to this. Maybe.


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    All this and they fail to understand we want the money, not to be famous. Seem to emphasize on famous all the time. They have it all wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Issabelle View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but allowing LJ the right to use your photos doesn't mean you give up the rights to them, meaning models should technically still be able to challenge this, yes? I'm not a legal expert, mind you, and I've never seen their contract so I'm totally basing this on other sites I've worked for, but it sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.
    I'm also not a legal expert, nor have I seen the LJ contract, but it's not unheard of to give up your rights when you submit photos to a site. You do this on SM. This is taken directly from the Streamate performer agreement:
    Performer/Studio will upload and transmit content in the form of images, video, sounds, and/or text (referred to herein as “content”) to and through Streamate’s systems for re-broadcast. All content uploaded to the systems by Performer/Studio shall be works made for hire under the United States Copyright Act, as amended, to the extent eligible; otherwise, Performer/Studio hereby assigns all rights, title and interests in such content to Streamate. Streamate shall then own all such content, and Streamate will have the sole discretion to use any such content in any way it so chooses, including but not limited to in any medium and in any promotion, distribution, advertising, sales and marketing efforts, both during and after the term of this Agreement.
    Considering what a pain in the ass LJ is supposed to be, I wouldn't be at all surprised if their contract included a similar clause. If they don't, a lot of the big box websites have clauses indicating that you give them EXCLUSIVE license to distribute the photos, which is almost as bad, because that means that no one else, including yourself and the photographer, can publish them elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Busygirl View Post
    I wonder how that will clash with some of us who have photographers that retain copyrights to our sexy photos.
    Not to rain on anyone's parade, but...

    One of the copyrights held by your photographer is the right to decide how and to whom his/her photos are distributed. Distribution definitely includes uploading them to a website, especially for commercial use. Did your photographer explicitly licence you to distribute the photos? If not, you weren't legally permitted to upload them to the cam site in the first place. You can't even post them to your private social media without owning the copyright or having authorization from the photographer to do so.

    Additionally, every cam site ever created should contractually require you to give them license to distribute the photos that you upload. They have to ask for that license, because otherwise they can't post those photos on the website as your profile pic, much less in advertising or anywhere else. So in addition to having explicit licence to distribute the photographer's photos, you also need to have explicit license from your photographer to authorize and license other people to distribute them. Did your photographer authorize you to license other people to distribute their works? If not, you aren't legally permitted to upload them to cam sites.

    This all boils down to the fact that, unless the photographer gave you the copyright to the photo or gave you some extremely liberal licenses for use (preferably in writing), you can't upload their photos to cam sites. At all. If the cam site uses the images in ways that the photographer doesn't approve, it's YOU that screwed up, because YOU signed a contract saying that you gave the site those rights, when those weren't rights that you were legally permitted to give them in the first place.
    Even if you do have licences to distribute and authorize distribution of the photos, you can't upload them to any site that takes ownership of the photos, such as SM, because you certainly aren't authorized to give away the copyright. On top of that, you need to be very careful and read the contracts carefully. If they ask for exclusive license to the photos, you most likely can't upload your professional photos to those sites, either, because then you and your photographer can never publish them anywhere else, and you can be pretty sure that the photographer doesn't want that.

    If you're wondering WTF you're supposed to do with the professional photos you paid for... Unless you have some legal agreement with the photographer, you can look at them, enjoy them, hang them up in your private residence, and show them off to your friends when they come over. That's about it. Please consider these things and work them out with your photographer, and preferably a lawyer, before you contract a professional to take photos that you hope to use for camming.

    TL,DR: Except for some pretty specific circumstances, you can't use professional photos on camsites without owning the copyright.
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    i think the owner made that site for himself - on first place.
    He want to see glamourous ladies, so u must be like that, to stay there.
    And accept all their ideas ofc.

    He s a businissman, we can say. I think he s good at what he s doing.
    And expecting girls think like him. He have no experience with camming i guess lol, so he sees this whole thing from a very different angle. So that s why all this thing goes on. I think, at least.

    I get the email too, and wondered they ll took photos as they want, or only from girls who sign up.
    I guess it meant to be another marketing tool. I dont mind anyway, but what i dont like:

    they throw all the litter on us. There s no option to mute guests, or see wich member have money on their account - or they have an account, but ever spent a dollar on the site. So get all the stress and annoyance what those trolls do, and have no idea wich member is a freeloader, and wich one is serious.
    (I ve asked customer support about that issue, and they were totally negative about the idea. What means to me, they treat the last, rudest dumbassas or kids who just trolling - better than girls who works for them)

    If they wanna change something, i would recommend that on first place, and give this "famous shit" a rest.
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    Many of us camgirls don't want to be famous... that means more risk of being outted. If I wanted to be famous I would have chosen a different profession or gone into shooting actual porn. This is why I don't allow myself to be seen on any YouTube videos, under my cam or RL persona and I don't want affiliate marketers using my image on Facebook. If a cam site I worked for publicly displayed one of my photos as art, I would be livid! Especially if they're adding their name to it, which I'm sure they would, otherwise what's the point for them? So I'd have to explain to anyone who recognized me why there's a billboard or whatever with me in lingerie or what have you, advertising a cam site. At that point I couldn't say "oh it was an artistic shoot". I think that's more of a concern for some of us than copyright stuff. And yes, I know, the internet is public, but there's a big difference between people on the internet looking for porn and being out in the world and seeing a piece of "art".

    LJ is just so damn detached from what camgirls want it's not even funny.

    If they don't have a way to opt out of this, then I think they're just asking for a whole mess of trouble.

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