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    Higher wages obviously are going to have an impact on a business, since it increases expenses. For workers, even if their hours are cut, if they end up making more money for working less hours at a higher rate, they'll end up better off. IMO, the best solution is to come up with a reasonable minimum wage, and tie it to inflation, instead of letting it stay flat for years, and then passing a massive increase. I'm assuming that part of the reasoning for a $15 minimum wage is that it won't be raised again for some time.

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    We pay 9-12 dollars an hour for certain positions, mostly those that are not tipped. Our labor cost for salaried and hourly sits at just under 1 million per year, not counting bonuses for performance (making food cost targets etc). And our rates are above state minimums.

    Now i can see how going from 7 to 15 would break 90% of all but the top restaurants in any city, not just NYC. I for one will never even bother attempting to open in a place with a mandated absurd $15 for unskilled labor simply because I dont wish to try and convince the consumer they need a $50 appetizer to offset such rates.

    Those places with the $15 mandate will see a drastic drop in employment for the unskilled new worker when self order and automation takes over on a much larger scale.

    High End have always paid above scale, what this will hurt is the low end of people just starting to enter a workforce, after school and after careers.

    Do not try to compare high end locations with low end fast food of which this will harm more than help

    in regarding the other issues that the early parts of the thread brought up.

    It is not the responsibility of an Employer to provide a so called "living wage". It is to provide a fair wage for a fair days work.

    Where I see the biggest issue is this. Unskilled, underskilled, or just plain lazy, do not deserve a mandatory hourly rate higher for a basic task, than what skilled labor gets for their trained occupation.

    Would i pay a welder $15-25 dollars an hour for their skill level, damn straight, simply because it is a trained occupation that the everyday Tom Dick or Harry cannot just put on a mask and perform with any skill.

    Would I pay a never before having worked employee $9 dollars an hour to wash dishes or cook on an assembly line style fast food place. Sure but not $15.

    The biggest problem I see is not the workers who wish to work. It is the cryers and one who protest about and for workers, when they dont bother to work themselves. These social justice idiots, who truly have no clue to reality, or how a business works.
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    Connecticut is a perfect example of how these well intentioned programs backfire. With a population of 3.6 million it has added a grand total of 400 new jobs this year. It is the only state other than Wyoming that has yet to recover all the jobs it lost since December, 2007.
    It already had the fourth worst regulatory environment for small business in the U.S. Now it has a $15 statewide minimum wage AND a 0.5% payroll tax to fund mandatory paid leave.

    Btw , how is Seattle doing employment wise ? Business creation wise ? Last study I saw said that overall low income earnings were DOWN !

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    Higher wages obviously are going to have an impact on a business, since it increases expenses. For workers, even if their hours are cut, if they end up making more money for working less hours at a higher rate, they'll end up better off. IMO, the best solution is to come up with a reasonable minimum wage, and tie it to inflation, instead of letting it stay flat for years, and then passing a massive increase. I'm assuming that part of the reasoning for a $15 minimum wage is that it won't be raised again for some time.
    You never answered my questions about NELP's "surveys" ?

    What methodology did they use ? Survey ? Labor Dept. or other government stats ? An academic study like the University of Washington ?
    Who was surveyed ? How ? - in person ; telephone ; mail; e-mail ?
    What data did they rely on to paint such a rosy picture ?

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    I did searches and wasn't able to find that information. You'll probably have to write them to get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    I did searches and wasn't able to find that information. You'll probably have to write them to get it.
    I think you effectively answered my question. Apparently NELP never said which calls their data and conclusions into question.
    I did some additional digging into NELP reports and they continually conflate and confuse increases in the FEDERAL Minimum Wage with reported results and impact on employment related thereto and increases in local and state minimum wages. Increases in the Federal minimum wage have had no discernable impact on employment. In fact the latest Jobs Reports from the U.S. Labor Dept. show record low unemployment among African Americans ; African American youth; women ; Latinos and youths as a whole. All these groups dominate low income employment .
    With shaky documentation ( at best ) NELP reports as much as a $68 billion increase in wages for workers in places where there is a $15 minimum wage. What they do NOT say are such things as : how many workers were laid off after the $15 wage went into effect ; how many did NOT get hired ; how many had their days and hours reduced ; how many restaurants went out of business. Instead they just make blanket pronouncements about restaurant employment in NYC without any cited evidence to back up their claims.
    Worse yet , their $68 billion number is little more than wishful thinking on their part. There are no Census ; Labor Dept. or Taxation Dept. data to support that number. It is nothing more than NELP's own unsupported ESTIMATE of how much restaurant worker incomes increased thanks to a $15 minimum wage. Obviously they blithely ignored all the other possible variables as previously discussed. In other words , if everything else stayed the same i.e. number of employers ; number of workers ; hours worked etc. then restaurant workers incomes would have increased $68 billion according to NELP.
    Please pass the salt.
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