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    This thread is about what it takes to successfully sit on a premium per-min rate, and feel like you can justify it. I've been doing some reading on the pricing and rates threads sprinkled all over SW. Man, you absolute goddesses are making BANK at insane (to me) prices. I wanna get up there too! But every time I think about emailing support to raise my rate cap, I get this niggling doubt - am I worth it?

    I know no one else can say for sure where your pricing "sweet spot" is, and it differs for everyone depending on countless factors. I'm at 4.99/5.99 and get both happy spenders AND "you're way too expensive for an Asian" complainers. I'm at an ok place revenue-wise, averaging anywhere from $30/hr on a slow day to $80/hr on a great one. But can I reach higher? Could I one day make $100/hr no sweat? I wanna SOAR! I wanna be a 7.99/9.99 sort of girl! I wanna be in pvt less, and with men who spoil me rather than make me jackhammer my pussy for their 5-min quickies. And most importantly I wanna be a phenomenal service provider who's WORTH IT.

    So how do I make myself worth 7.99/min? I know a big part of it is mindset - you need to believe you are worth it and project that confidence to convince your custies likewise. But surely there are some basic expectations that make an Upscale Camgirl Worth Splurging On. Prices like $9.99/$14.99, I could never imagine anyone spending that much on boring, vanilla me. What makes those great models worth that price, from a customer's point of view, when the competition is charging $3.49? What kind of hustle does that take? How do you attract the big spenders? How did you get the courage?

    My guesses at what it takes:

    Good tech and a smooth HD stream, for one. I think I'm okay there.
    Talks, decent English - check, I suppose, though I've got a brit accent that one guy said is hard to follow.
    Personality/vibe - Mmmmm, I don't know. I'm bubbly/witty but a fairly blank slate on cam.
    Looks - I've got an averagely pretty face, small boobs, small ass, petite and proportional overall but nothing spectacular. Conventional Korean celeb sort of hair and look.
    Voice - mine is pleasant, or at least not annoying (to my knowledge)
    Phone enabled - no.
    Toys - basic dildo and vibe. I need more.
    Fetish - hardly, I'm mostly vanilla with some light foot and femdomming. I don't deepthroat, do anal, or any other cool freakydeaks. I really should expand my repertoire.
    Aesthetic (background and outfits) - BLAH. White bed and background. I don't have many outfits or cool lingerie. Good lighting, but boring everything else.
    Reg capture capability - Probably pretty bad. I have repeat custies but no real loyal whales.
    Pvt show - I tease, I get naked, I dirty talk, I do BJ's, fiddle my pussy, use toys, and maybe cum/squirt a bit if I get a long enough pvt. Roleplay if requested, but nothing special like bondage, taboo, or body torture. This is mainly why I don't feel worth any more than 5.99...my shows are so basic.
    Special Deals - like vids and pic sets? I don't have any of those, just my first disastrous vid where the condom broke (lol). I should work on this though.
    Gold Shows? - It seems like the popular girls do it all the time. I really hate the stress.

    I hope no one takes this as me insulting girls who choose to charge in the region of my rates or lower. I know it's an entirely personal decision, and charging high doesn't necessarily mean making more overall. I have nothing but respect and admiration for every single model here. I'm just hoping for some insight on product value and the cam customer market from more experienced cammers. What do you think it takes? What kind of model do you hope to be, or are proud of being? What's your selling point? How can we elevate ourselves to the luxury market?


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    Frankly, it sounds like you've answered every single one of your own questions in that first post. What exactly do you want from us in the way of input? Encouragement to charge whatever you want? Because that's up to you and nothing anyone here says is going to make a bit of difference in that decision.

    Every cam girl is different; you already pointed that out. The top 20 models on at any one time are radically different. There is literally no single answer to what makes an 'upscale model,' because there's no proper definition for 'upscale,' every girl hustles differently, and every model has a different measure of success.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Issabelle View Post
    Frankly, it sounds like you've answered every single one of your own questions in that first post. What exactly do you want from us in the way of input? Encouragement to charge whatever you want? Because that's up to you and nothing anyone here says is going to make a bit of difference in that decision.

    Every cam girl is different; you already pointed that out. The top 20 models on at any one time are radically different. There is literally no single answer to what makes an 'upscale model,' because there's no proper definition for 'upscale,' every girl hustles differently, and every model has a different measure of success.
    You're absolutely right, top models are "upscale" in that they make bank no matter what their rate is. I have seen $2.99 girls in the top row, so clearly a lower rate works for them and ultimately, all that matters is your bottom line.

    To clarify what I meant by "upscale" in the context of this thread is models who charge high, say $6.99 or more. They may not necessarily be the highest-earning models around, they may only spend 20% of their time in paid chat and have lower rankings, but they make a damn good living with their pricing scale regardless. I'm wondering specifically about how one justifies and succeeds on high per-min prices.


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    ^^ Simple. Are you and your time worth a shitty rate? Most likely you'll say hell no. So? Charge as much as you can. You do not run a charity for horny dudes, this is your JOB. At most jobs, salaries go up with inflation and cost of living. Want that? Raise your rates. SM is also that place where guys see very high rates and think "wow she must be amazing" and spend.

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    I am also a bit confused. It sounds like you don't feel like you offer an "upscale" service from how you answered your questions. You might be best off by spending some time watching the girls who are priced at a level you are aiming for, see what they do, and bend it to you.

    I am a lower price bracket because I would rather have a higher % in pvt and I did a lot of research on the competition and price range in my niche. I'm not the cheapest, I'm not the most expensive, I'm priced at a rate that I get enough shows and I feel I give good value for the money.

    I think aiming to "be expensive" is the wrong way to go about it tbh, especially when you sound like you don't think you are worth it. If you want personalized feedback on how to up your game, maybe ask another forum member you are friendly with to watch you a bit. I know a cam buddy helped me up my game a LOT, to the point where I was able to transition to camming full-time, by giving me advice on girls to watch in my niche who rocked it, and giving me a few simple pointers on stuff I didn't realize was affecting me.

    Oh, and you don't need tons of toys or lingerie or a gorgeous set to be awesome. I have moved a lot (internationally!) in the last little while, and cammed from a blanket on the floor of an empty room with very few outfits and 2 toys. You can do just fine with simple stuff, and wait to make more money to buy more stuff. I won't lie though, when I bought a toy I was seriously jonesing for, I spammed all my dudes with pics and they knew how excited I was, it was cute

    Good luck, and happy hustling!

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    Don't think of yourself as basic or like you should charge less because you're asian - that is ridiculous and any guy that is telling you that is a lowballing scumbag. Forget all that and work on having some confidence in yourself, your pussy, and your hustle.

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    I saw you on the lower 1st and top 2nd page the other day. Baby you are upscale. And if you want your rates to be 7.99/9.99. Fucking do it! Up them!

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    Maybe you could try raising your rates incrementally, like, a dollar at a time if you're feeling nervous about going full-tilt? Try raising them to 5.99/6.99 and see how that goes? It's worth a shot. I believe in you, you've clearly got a work ethic and that will get you far in this game!

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    This is a really big question, and the answer is so very individual. A lot of the stuff you listed is a great start.

    Think about upscale, high-priced products in pretty much any other industry - cars, clothing, watches, artisanal cheese, whatever. Are these products enormously better than their everyday counterparts? Usually they are of reasonably good quality, and have some sort of nice feature or other selling point, but let's be real - as long as you aren't talking about the really shitty end of the scale, is one handbag really so much better than another? Do Louboutins feel like floating on air while giving every woman a tiny waist, Kardashian ass, and meter-long legs? No? So why do they cost so much?

    I think there are at least a couple possible answers. The first is that those upscale brands decide that they are expensive, they stand by their pricing, and people just accept that they are upscale. It's not like these brands try to convince people that their products are, in fact, 10x more valuable than standard products. They aren't.

    The second possibility is that the product actually is of marginally better quality than it's competition AND/OR has a significantly better marketing campaign. Those factors (plus luck) make the product popular, and the prices jump disproportionately. I'm sure we've all had favorite brands that were reasonably priced until everyone else "discovered" them, and suddenly they were shockingly out of our price range, despite the product remaining the same.


    So some of the lessons you can take away from "upscale" consumer goods:
    ~Pricing is tied to quality VERY loosely, if at all.
    ~An upscale product may be above average in quality, but not necessarily a whole lot better. You don't have to be mind-blowingly awesome to be expensive.
    ~It's possible that you can be expensive just because you say so. It doesn't work for everyone, but consumers aren't very rational.
    ~Inventory your strengths and play them up to give yourself an edge (aka find your niche). Sometimes that's all it takes to make you seem like the better product.
    ~Give yourself a nice rate boost as you become more popular. You could measure that using time in paid chat, hourly average, or some other indicator, but I wouldn't base it on your SM placement - it's fickle, and not necessarily a good indicator of your actual popularity or earnings potential.
    ~If you're seeing indicators that your business is blowing up, don't be stingy with your rate increase.
    ~If you, as a product, don't have an edge over your competition, good marketing can make up for it.
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    Us "Upscale" girls are there cause we put ourselves there. There is no secret here its just put your prices up and talk to the clients.

    I dont do anything Im not comfortable doing. No big toys, bondage or body torture and taboo is against the rules so you dont have to worry about not offering that.

    Gold shows are great for getting guys in your room. Dont stress if the show didnt start. It can be used as a marketing tool. I just sit and talk mostly then get up and do more as the timer is closing in at the end. Most shows start because of one or two high tippers so just have fun!

    And Asians are so HOT! I really have a thing for Asians myself so I know the fetish is alive and well! Get some social networks going and promote yourself!

    Peppered into your original post are some of the things guys have said to you. You need to get over this. Take it with a laugh. If some guy tells you that your prices are high for being Asian tell him "If you think this is high wait until Asians take over the world!" You have to let this shit go, guys are doing their own hustle and most girls crumble when given even the slightest insult. That is a guys hustle! You have a PUSSY! That is worth at least 6 figures a year! Demand that money!

    I might also recommend reading Ho tactics by G.L. Lambert and even Solving Single. They are great books that teach you how to hustle. If your in the UK you might have already seen the Channel 4 documentary called sex lies and rinsing guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgC9Z3uzPgY you can watch it here if you havent. Great for putting you in that hustling mood.

    Last secret. LOOK RIGHT INTO YOUR CAM! to many girls answering their computer screen. Look dead into your cam and whenever your talking and especially when you do a show and guys will love you!

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    How much are you worth? It all comes down to what you believe your time is worth to another person. The equipment, looks, surroundings are all secondary although they certainly help.

    The median price for an escort in a major metropolitan city is $200 an hour. That's removing the high-end escorts and the crackhoes. I know that we are not escorts however, the interaction that men crave from escorts is something along the lines of what we provide. We can't really compare ourselves to high-end escorts, (unless we are a top 100 MyFreeCams model), and we certainly are not crackhoes. We're somewhere in between stripper/escort.

    However, it's fascinating to see how some high end escorts can charge upwards of $5k a night and are constantly booked. Escorting is interesting in the fact that the more experienced the girl, the more she tends to make. With the internet, and sites that rate escort services, it's a true marketing haven that can help support the business savvy escort. Also, because of the internet, escorting has become safer with sites and resources that make it possible to fully screen johns before deciding to make them customers.

    High-end call girls look the part and therefore, they have a lot more overhead/calex. If they are an in-call escort, they must provide the luxurious environment to their customers and that usually means an expensively furnished abode in an expensive, high-end neighborhood. They wear high-end designer clothes and perhaps drive high end cars etc. They will spend thousands on beauty treatments and plastic surgery to maintain their looks and to justify their prices. Men who can afford these girls believe 100% that they are getting the best. Men are competitive and will spend a lot of money on things that reflect their own self-worth eg. a rich man don't want no dollar ho.

    What does this mean to camgirls?

    We can follow the same kind of economic analysis.

    When you price yourself anything below $4.99 a minute on a cam site that takes 65% you are making less than $1.75 a minute. Is that all you are worth? The average private show is around 4 minutes so that's $7. On average you have about 2 shows per hour which amounts to $14 per hour. In some parts of North America, that's is only slightly above minimum wage. In those minutes, you are taking your clothes off, providing sexual interaction, taking the risk of being recorded and being distributed to tube sites and exposing yourself to friends, family and employers. You are forever on the internet and your future employ-ability is compromised. How is this any different from being an escort? Sure, we may not have the risk of catching an STD or getting raped but really, the psychological impact is the same if you really think about it all. No escort would ever price herself at $14 an hour let alone any stripper if she could price herself and not just rely on tips. In a way, strippers/escorts have it slightly better because their clients depend on discreetness. It's much less likely for any video footage to appear on the internet simply because most johns are married and they don't want their lives compromised or their wives finding out.

    Did you know that it is way more expensive for a man to get married solely for the reason of steady sex? I know men marry for love and companionship but some don't. Check our this article: http://libertychat.com/2014/11/econo...ives-20-years/

    So, if some poor fool decides to start bartering with you about your prices, tell him about that article. Compared to escorts, cam girls are a fucking bargain and nobody will get sick. We won't become ex-one night stand stalkers. We won't pressure him for marriage or more money. We're not gold diggers. There is nothing more sexually convenient than a cam girl and for that luxury alone, we need to price ourselves accordingly. With us, there's no fucking waiting. Guy is horny, guy wants sex, cam girl is there 24 fucking 7.

    Raise your fucking prices. Do the math. We are worth so much more. We own this industry and have the power to make it what we deserve. If all of this doesn't convince you to raise your rates, then it's probably better if you go back to a vanilla job.

    Oh and if you want to become a baller cam girl, go all out and get yourself a killer set up or at least aim for it. Do like the 6-figure Youtube stars and get the beauty ringlight, DSLR streaming capability and a Blue Yeti microphone. Then raise those rates even higher. Fuck it, you deserve it! It's what I do, and I'm never lowering my rates, I'd rather quit camming entirely.
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    Yes to everything that all the other ladies on here have already said. Nobody is capable of deciding what you're worth other than you. Charge whatever you want, and if the guys tell you that you're too expensive, tell them that you're out of their league. Market yourself as a luxury product and people will look at you as a luxury product.

    If you don't feel confident in your hustle, or your looks, or your vibe.. then work on the areas that you consider your weak points until you turn them into strengths. Read books, try out different styles and track what works best, watch other girls and continue to improve and perfect your work flow.


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    I don't sell vids or pics, I don't do anal, I don't do phone, I don't squirt, I don't do femdom, I only have one dildo and one Hitachi, I have a few extra pounds/don't have a super tight fitness model body... I could go on about the qualities that some "top/upscale" models have that I don't. But I won't, because it doesn't matter. I still find myself in the top 15 or higher, and even when I'm lower down on the page, I still do just as well financially. I personally (and strongly) believe that the two biggest factors for cam success are confidence and personality, whether that's an acting persona or your true self. You can charge whatever you want, and whatever makes you uniquely you is what makes it worth it. But you can't be doubtful or worried about it, otherwise it will show and guys will question your worth.

    Now, even though you can charge whatever you want, you'll probably want to experiment to find your sweet spot. See what range of prices works best for you, and give it at least several shifts before you decide. I currently charge 6.69/8.69. I haven't raised it in a while, even though my placement has gone way up and I could easily justify another dollar or more. However, I really like my current clientele and I count on banking from long/block sessions. I can't afford (and frankly don't want) to lose those custies and work on building a new clientele, at least not right now. Last time I raised my rates, my regulars were honest -- they told me they couldn't afford to do the long shows they enjoy, and didn't want to waste the money on an expensive quickie, so I lost a lot of potential income. I also found myself getting more short privates than block sessions when my rates were higher, which I found less desirable. I would take a 15 minute block session at my current rate over five 3-minute privates at a higher rate any day. In the end I seem to make the most/do my personal best at this rate, because people can afford to stay longer, and that is how I gain regulars (which is where the bulk of my income comes from). But as always, your hustle may vary.

    You seem like a very in-depth, analytical thinker, based on the detail of your initial post. I am the same way, and I think it's a generally good quality, but I've learned it can sometimes work against you if you think too much. Ultimately, just go for it and see what happens.
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    Everyone else has offered amazing advice, so all I'll say is even if you don't feel confident to raise your rates F that!!

    Fake it til you make it at first - next thing you know you'll believe in your own value! Project confidence and believe that you ARE worth it.

    Just do it and then figure out the rest after. The guys will pay. But you have to buy in to it too.

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    Worth is a state of mind, darling! #oprahapproved

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    This thread is about what it takes to successfully sit on a premium per-min rate, and feel like you can justify it. I've been doing some reading on the pricing and rates threads sprinkled all over SW. Man, you absolute goddesses are making BANK at insane (to me) prices. I wanna get up there too! But every time I think about emailing support to raise my rate cap, I get this niggling doubt -am I worth it?
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    How much are you worth? It all comes down to what you believe your time is worth to another person. The equipment, looks, surroundings are all secondary although they certainly help.

    The median price for an escort in a major metropolitan city is $200 an hour. That's removing the high-end escorts and the crackhoes. I know that we are not escorts however, the interaction that men crave from escorts is something along the lines of what we provide. We can't really compare ourselves to high-end escorts, (unless we are a top 100 MyFreeCams model), and we certainly are not crackhoes. We're somewhere in between stripper/escort.

    However, it's fascinating to see how some high end escorts can charge upwards of $5k a night and are constantly booked. Escorting is interesting in the fact that the more experienced the girl, the more she tends to make. With the internet, and sites that rate escort services, it's a true marketing haven that can help support the business savvy escort. Also, because of the internet, escorting has become safer with sites and resources that make it possible to fully screen johns before deciding to make them customers.

    High-end call girls look the part and therefore, they have a lot more overhead/calex. If they are an in-call escort, they must provide the luxurious environment to their customers and that usually means an expensively furnished abode in an expensive, high-end neighborhood. They wear high-end designer clothes and perhaps drive high end cars etc. They will spend thousands on beauty treatments and plastic surgery to maintain their looks and to justify their prices. Men who can afford these girls believe 100% that they are getting the best. Men are competitive and will spend a lot of money on things that reflect their own self-worth eg. a rich man don't want no dollar ho.

    What does this mean to camgirls?

    We can follow the same kind of economic analysis.

    When you price yourself anything below $4.99 a minute on a cam site that takes 65% you are making less than $1.75 a minute. Is that all you are worth? The average private show is around 4 minutes so that's $7. On average you have about 2 shows per hour which amounts to $14 per hour. In some parts of North America, that's is only slightly above minimum wage. In those minutes, you are taking your clothes off, providing sexual interaction, taking the risk of being recorded and being distributed to tube sites and exposing yourself to friends, family and employers. You are forever on the internet and your future employ-ability is compromised. How is this any different from being an escort? Sure, we may not have the risk of catching an STD or getting raped but really, the psychological impact is the same if you really think about it all. No escort would ever price herself at $14 an hour let alone any stripper if she could price herself and not just rely on tips. In a way, strippers/escorts have it slightly better because their clients depend on discreetness. It's much less likely for any video footage to appear on the internet simply because most johns are married and they don't want their lives compromised or their wives finding out.

    Did you know that it is way more expensive for a man to get married solely for the reason of steady sex? I know men marry for love and companionship but some don't. Check our this article: http://libertychat.com/2014/11/econo...ives-20-years/

    So, if some poor fool decides to start bartering with you about your prices, tell him about that article. Compared to escorts, cam girls are a fucking bargain and nobody will get sick. We won't become ex-one night stand stalkers. We won't pressure him for marriage or more money. We're not gold diggers. There is nothing more sexually convenient than a cam girl and for that luxury alone, we need to price ourselves accordingly. With us, there's no fucking waiting. Guy is horny, guy wants sex, cam girl is there 24 fucking 7.

    Raise your fucking prices. Do the math. We are worth so much more. We own this industry and have the power to make it what we deserve. If all of this doesn't convince you to raise your rates, then it's probably better if you go back to a vanilla job.

    Oh and if you want to become a baller cam girl, go all out and get yourself a killer set up or at least aim for it. Do like the 6-figure Youtube stars and get the beauty ringlight, DSLR streaming capability and a Blue Yeti microphone. Then raise those rates even higher. Fuck it, you deserve it! It's what I do, and I'm never lowering my rates, I'd rather quit camming entirely.
    Nailed it, as always. You go girl.
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    ^^ AGREE'D Spot on Hyori! I must have read this 4 times! <3

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    I took advise here and raised my rate -- I was at 5.99/6.99 -- I put my premium at 9.99 a week ago or so just to discourage people from going in there cuz I hate pvt... But I kinda forgot about it, as I mostly do exclusives anyway, and I jsut raised my excl price to 7.99/min, and then low and behold, i get a pvt, feeling great, only to go back and realize that dude had paid the $9.99/minute charge... woah. The best way to start believing you're worth it is to change the rates and then get the shows -- When you get the show and you feel amazing afterwards, thats how you KNOW you're worth it, so just try it!
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    After reading all the responses, I actually have this to say and I know it was true for me, so it might be true for you too.

    Your worth as a camgirl depends on how you see yourself. If deep down you don't see yourself as the shit, for whatever reason, you won't be able to carry off a rate change. If you feel you somehow need to "please" these guys or "be accommodating" toward them just so that they can buy from you, you won't be able to rock high rates. Feelings like this stem from being made to feel inadequate in other IRL situations and relationships, so dig deep, there's probably something there. So often we neglect how our real lives shape our persona's and boundaries as sex workers. And its not always the surface shit that gets you down.

    The other thing is of course how you see your setup. Back when I knew my setup was crappy, I felt so bad to take money from anyone. My rates stayed at 3.99/4.99 for the longest time. Having said that I didn't raise til I got better equipment (particularly lighting) because I didn't feel my stream was worth it. Believe me I do now. I am professionally lit and it shows, so fuck these guys, I charge what I want. But before I got those gadgets it was very hard for me to charge properly. I also stayed away from SM for ages after my studio contract expired because I didn't feel good enough to be there tech wise. I sure as hell do now though.

    The two things I've mentioned take time to get. But you would be surprised at how much they affect how you see yourself and therefore the income that you make. I actually think you need to do some introspection and ask yourself WHY you asked this question in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyho View Post
    I'm wondering specifically about how one justifies and succeeds on high per-min prices.
    Justification and success are not related topics. Not even a little, as far as I'm concerned. When someone asks me how I 'justify' charging no less than $7.49/minute, I start feeling like I'm listening to a broke freeloader trying to haggle. The difference between a girl who 'gets away' with a high rate versus one who doesn't is that when the high-rate model hears 'is your pussy made of gold?/with those rates I'd better come in under 60 seconds bitch!/how the fuck do you justify that?' her response is 'fuck you; I do what I want.' The lower-rate models hears that and responds with 'yeah, you're right, I don't deserve that rate' and it shows so she drops price. Period. That's it.

    No independent model needs to justify her rates, whether it's $.99/minute or $19.99/minute. We're all self-employed. We all pick our own prices. The only person who has to live with it is the model in question. I charge high rates because I refuse to work for less than $2.25/minute my cut, plain and simple. It's not about tech or hustle or anything else. If you want to charge it, charge it. In my mind, justifying rates is a game that plays to the lowest common denominator of customer, not to your own favor. I find the mere concept of needing to 'justify' my rates distasteful, honestly, because I don't need to and I flat out won't.

    That's the secret, period. Not much of a secret, but take it as you will. Justification is a dirty word in my mind because it's basically only a question we as models ask because some customer has mind-fucked us into believing we aren't worth having whatever we want and have to explain ourselves to them. It's the same as a customer trying to ask how I 'justify' not showing everything off in free chat to get shows. lol, nope, no thank you, bye now. Seriously, look back on your first post and there are a few clues I'm seeing that suggest one too many freeloaders has gotten it into your head that you don't deserve to have exactly what you want if it puts you out of majority reach. Entitled men are an industry standard; don't let their BS dictate your choices.

    You're letting dudes mind fuck you. Don't.

    Your posts also seem to be talking about relative success at these rates. That's equal parts not giving a fuck, luck, and hustle. If you can't own your rate, you can't charge it. Furthermore, there's no guaranteed formula for success at higher rates. The only way you'll know what you can do is to do it while holding all other things equal, run a rate analysis, and see what the results are.


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    I do think that paying attention to some aspects of presentation to "justify" your prices does work to your advantage and niche. What if Walmart decided to go upscale with all their existing merchandise?

    If you feel ratchet and decide to charge upscale rates, it's gonna be a hard sell. Then again, presentation is pretty subjective so what may look ratchet to one guy might look really classy to another, what do I know?
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    I'm a good example of someone who is staying at lower rates at the moment due to the fact that I know I'm missing a couple of key components. I have GREAT lighting and I have GREAT tech. I'm a small BBW with a very pretty face. But... I'm relatively new.. and I seriously lack outfits and a good quality camming space. Those are things I'm working to change, because I do feel that presentation is a big part of it all. I'm also working on my fitness because while I know that guys pay and pay well for BBW... I'll never be a "big enough" BBW to capture the true fetish guys... so I'm better off working my butt off and getting down into "curvy" land. It's all a process.. and really, nobody can tell you what you are worth better than you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    I do think that paying attention to some aspects of presentation to "justify" your prices does work to your advantage and niche. What if Walmart decided to go upscale with all their existing merchandise?

    If you feel ratchet and decide to charge upscale rates, it's gonna be a hard sell. Then again, presentation is pretty subjective so what may look ratchet to one guy might look really classy to another, what do I know?
    Weirdly enough, that's exactly my point. OP asked two separate questions: how does one 'justify' charging rates in excess of $7/minute and how does one successfully do so, defined as making the largest possible bottom line with the highest possible price. Technically, the third question of 'how do you up your game to get the biggest possible bottom line period' was also there, but the first two seemed to be her major interest.

    I stand by my answer that, as far as the first question of straight justification goes, the only thing you need to do is say 'I'm charging this much; deal with it.' Being successful as defined by the largest possible hourly at the highest possible rates is a different beast because there's a lot more to that then just 'pay my rates or get lost.'

    If you wanna charge $100/minute camming from the laptop equivalent of a Game Boy Color Original, that's your call. No one else's opinion on the matter is important. You charge what you want and more power to you. That said, don't be shocked if you don't get many takers on your rates. $100/minute may be impossible from a strategic business perspective, but it's still your choice and you don't have to explain it to anyone.

    I use those extremes because, again, my point is that it's not anyone's call but the model's. I've seen ladies who may well have been camming from that Game Boy of Old charging $19.99/minute on SM and gone 'no way girl' in my head, but at the end of the day--not my call.


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    Marina Star is state of mind, & yesss Isss's a lux purchase


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    Just a micro addition to what ladies above say.

    If a guy jumps in complaining of the prices, I reply:
    - Feel FREE to switch to another room.

    & I actually measured that a good (and turned on lol) microphone works as gold show conversion and price boost.

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