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    In Australia, apparently every year it keeps getting worse, I've only been working for a year so I don't have any experience to draw from but do you think the whole world is soon getting outdated for strippers since the rise of porn and brothels are more acceptable to do? Worried about it since I want to be in this industry for the next 10 years possibly. Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pussycatpurr View Post
    In Australia, apparently every year it keeps getting worse, I've only been working for a year so I don't have any experience to draw from but do you think the whole world is soon getting outdated for strippers since the rise of porn and brothels are more acceptable to do? Worried about it since I want to be in this industry for the next 10 years possibly. Thank you!

    I'm in Maryland and although I've only been stripping for a year I've heard the same thing from all the girls who have been doing it several years. Apparently it gets worse every year. I've traveled a couple other states and heard the same things in other places too and I noticed a difference myself even from this new years and last new years (less people and poorer quality ones). Explanations I've heard for this are porn, sex becoming so casual, higher taxes on small businesses, a generation change in customers, more girls getting into it etc.

    I think there is definitely money to be made still, I'm a top earner and still make money but it's not easy you have to hustle and work for it and weed through a lot of bs and from what I've heard even with working your butt off it's still not what it used to be. I plan on doing it at least 5 more years myself. My advice is to save as much as you can because it's definitely on the decline and definitely don't count on always being able to make what you make now.

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    The economy is what's making it worse. But There's still money to be made, so don't concentrate on the doom and gloom and whining and concentrate on your hustle. Basically change w the times and apply yourself an make money or don't, but working in fear and negativity is a guaranteed crap shoot. Sorry, there are just countless fear mongering threads on here that help no one


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    everyone everywhere says it's getting worse

    i've only known one girl from hundreds of girls i've talked to/worked with who's said its the same

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    the girl who said it's the same is in melbourne and i kinda believe her. i just think there are more girls

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    From what I've experienced, it's getting worse.

    Conservatives forced by their jealous wives to change laws that are designed to put adult business out of business. Easy Money dries up and people must now get creative and resort to porn, or grey market (otc, p4p) or black market (escorting and prostitution) to make ends meet if they stay in adult business related careers.

    It's a cold world!

    I don't want to contribute to the fear mongering but I will say this: unless you live in a city where strip clubs and strippers are glorified, like Vegas, Atlanta, Houston etc. then one most likely can't make a significant income on stripping alone and must have other streams of income. Having multiple sources of income is actually a good thing and you won't be so dependent on just stripping to get by.
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    Unfortunately this is all true and it's not only in Australia, it's everywhere (aside from really big cities). The only thing you can do is roll with the changes and be smart about it. Use your money from stripping to invest in an education, or in something beneficial to your long term future. Strip on the side, don't do this as your main and only source of income. Honestly, any form of adult entertainment isn't meant to be done as a long term career (unless your really cut out for it, and have a strong business streak). and for the record, porn isn't really lucrative anymore. It's probably worse than dancing right now. Webcam modeling, escorting, and being a sugar baby seem to be where the most $$ is at. Even brothels are struggling right now lol. Just be strong and be smart. Good luck!

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    When I started dancing in the 1990s the veteran dancers always talked about how good it used to be. I think people tend to remember the really good times and use that as a measure against the slow times. But every week/month/year will have it's good days and it's bad days.

    There are definitely good regions and not-so-good regions to dance in, and if you are in one of those declining areas, you may consider traveling.

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    This industry is going to meet the same fate as the Titanic. Only difference is I'll keep playing until the ship goes down, and it's not down yet. I refuse to buy into either fear mongering or delusional positivity.
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    I think you would have to keep excellent track of your earnings from year to year, day to day, month to month to really tell a difference and let's face it, most strippers do not. Furthermore, you would then have to compare that to other strippers in your area and outside of your area to really see a difference money-wise. There is still a ton of money to be made and it does not due to dwell on the 90s strippers experiences. Times change and you either change with it, or keep it moving.

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    I think more women have turned to dancing partly because of the economy and because there's less of a stigma attached to it than there was in the 90's..Also more girls are doing extras than even 5 years ago as the clubs are slower (in general). I remember working in my home club in 2011 and it was busy every weekend night. I hardly left night shift with less than $500 when I was a newb and had no hustle. Fast forward to 2015 and maybe once a month we would be packed. I'd be a top girl making a clean $300 lol! (AndI kept journals of my nightly/weekly earnings and still have the journals from 2011...It is definitely worse.)

    Most of the dancers I know work 2nd jobs, have an S.O or a second stream of income because they no longer make a full time living from dancing (even the extras girls..). If you keep your expenses low and save you can have a comfortable living dancing until you figure out your next move, but I wouldn't expect to get rich from it anymore.

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    I started in 2011 and the club i started at was packed all the time on night shift, I always made between 6-1200 on weekends as a newbie, now at the same club Its much less packed on weekends and I usually make between 700-1800 per night, 700 being a really bad weekend night, I think its only cause my hustle is better and if id started now when its this slow, I think I woulda made way less. IDK tho I think its deff getting worse.

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    The point is what other legal job can you make 300-2000 with no experience or education and take it home the same day? It may be worse but it's still awesome.
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    ^This. Today, I paid for much needed dental work with cash and barely had to think about it. The receptionist was shocked, and her shock shocked me. Sometimes I get so caught up in what other people are making, or what I wish I had made, or what I could have made 10 years ago, that I forget that life is very good for me right now. I'm not a top earner at my club, and I'm not in a good money city, but as long as I budget and save, I can afford everything I need and a lot of things I want. I'm so damn lucky.

    Maybe things are getting worse, but the only thing that means is that we all need a plan B, not that we shouldn't enjoy things now, while they're still OK. And honestly, we should all have a plan B anyway because any of us could get into an accident tomorrow that would cripple us and make it impossible to work the pole.

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    I wouldn't say it's getting worse but it's definitely getting harder. The job has gotten more physically demanding than it once was. I'm at a club now that, to cash in the maximum amount, you must be a pole princess on the stage and have a shark hustle on the floor. Also you must be capable of staying at it until 6am or later. Not to mention the psychological demand of weeding through hundreds of obnoxious non-spenders of both sexes a night.

    What's different for me? Before: mostly men went to clubs, it wasn't normal for female customers to go, men would approach you for dances all night, you'd have a line after you got off stage. Now, at times it can be ridiculous to weed through and find paying customers amongst the people who treat the place like a nightclub. There's the question now of "what do I get?" for a lap dance. Before everyone knew what the hell a lap dance was and it was pretty standard what you got. Tip outs everywhere are higher, a lot higher. And the pole thing. Jesus it's like an Olympic sport now. It used to just hold us up in our heels. Don't get me wrong I love watching the shows, but yeah guys didn't used to demand all that action. Most don't care now, but some get disappointed that I can't do flips for them and the female customers seem to demand it. It would pay to learn that stuff if I wasn't exiting soon. Yeah it's just harder work now. I have respect for all the girls who do this 3 or more nights a week because it is seriously draining for someone who isn't used to it.

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    Jekka, what city do you work in?^

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    I'm at Penthouse New Orleans.

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    I started dancing around 2006/2007, and I can't really say that it's gotten worse, at least at the clubs I've been used to. If anything makes dancing feel like it's not worth what it used to be, it's probably inflation. $500 today is not as much as $500 was back in 2000, I would imagine. I do agree with jekka re: needing extra effort to make money, but I still find that conversational skills are most important--even with female customers (so long as you make them feel welcome, I find they're usually better tippers).

    I think 2011 and 2012 were the worst years for me financially, but the market had crashed for the second time and I was tired from going to college full time (burnout). Since then I've noticed the economy (at least in my area) is on the upswing, gas prices are so freaking low, and I can depend on making at least $400+ on the weekend with no regulars again. But there ARE more customers asking for extras--I think that's by and large due to social media sites like stripclublist.com, TUSCL etc. I think they best way to fight back with that is to continue writing reviews of our own.
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    In fairness to Pussycatpurr, the situation with the Australian economy is worse than it is with the US economy. In fact, I had two Canadian customers in VIP last weekend who - besides bitching about how much more expensive everything had become in NYC in terms of their Canadian dollars - spent a fair amount of time talking amongst themselves about the state of the Canadian economy. Australia and Canada economies are similar in this regard because they are both heavily dependent on export of natural resources, which have fallen drastically in price over the course of the past year. This has led to large losses of good paying jobs. But it has also led to other changes, such as the country's stock market crashing, tax increases on those who still hold high paying jobs, major devaluation of the country's currency relative to the US$ or YEN or EURO etc. which in turn makes many imports like food more expensive, etc.

    Point is that people with high paying jobs or high investment earnings make up a large share of the total dollars being spent in strip clubs. In countries like Australia, Canada, and other natural resourced based economy countries, the number of people who still hold high paying jobs has dropped significantly, and the number of high earning investors has dropped even more. If less money is being brought in through the club's front door, this means that less money will be brought out of the club in dancer's purses !

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    If it's getting worse for you, it's getting better for some one else. And vice versa. That's how business is. It gets worse, better, worse, better, better, better, worse, worse, all the time over and over again and this will always be an issue that is brought up.

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    That's true actually. However, with today's global economy, the fact that things are getting worse in Australia and Canada, while things are getting better in Germany and Japan, isn't particularly helpful to Australian and Canadian dancers. Short of multiple citizenship, Australian and Canadian dancers will wind up waiting for their own country's economy to improve. It will eventually. But it might take years. And it might get even worse before it gets any better.

    Within one particular country's economy, it is of course possible for one dancer to maintain or increase her earnings even though the total number of dollars being spent by customers at her club is declining. Within one particular country's economy, this is not a zero sum situation - there are in fact fewer dollars being spent in strip clubs as well as on other luxury items. Therefore this means one dancer successfully competing with other dancers to take a greater number of those declining total customer dollars away from those other dancers and toward herself. This can happen if that one dancer can improve what she is offering to club customers relative to other dancers. And this can happen via workouts and dieting, by plastic surgery, by offering extras, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wednesday86 View Post
    I think more women have turned to dancing partly because of the economy and because there's less of a stigma attached to it than there was in the 90's..Also more girls are doing extras than even 5 years ago as the clubs are slower (in general). I remember working in my home club in 2011 and it was busy every weekend night. I hardly left night shift with less than $500 when I was a newb and had no hustle. Fast forward to 2015 and maybe once a month we would be packed. I'd be a top girl making a clean $300 lol! (AndI kept journals of my nightly/weekly earnings and still have the journals from 2011...It is definitely worse.)

    Most of the dancers I know work 2nd jobs, have an S.O or a second stream of income because they no longer make a full time living from dancing (even the extras girls..). If you keep your expenses low and save you can have a comfortable living dancing until you figure out your next move, but I wouldn't expect to get rich from it anymore.
    I always kept very detailed records of my earnings too. I recorded everything by $$ amount, date, day of the week, and shift. The money is still better than almost any other job you can get, and you can probably still make a great living if you have enough regulars that you can schedule to come in for you in addition to hustling. I personally got out of the industry because I found that both my earnings and the quality of customers were declining, and the amount of girls doing extras was going way up. Mentally, I just didn't have the energy to deal with it anymore.

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    This isn't intended to he a political post but... It's an election year and kind of an interesting one, as there's such a huge field of candidates on the Republican side. There are also a lot of hotly debated issues and many candidates suggesting some pretty radical changes on both sides. Changes that could have an enormous effect on business, employment, taxes, etc.

    With any kind of political uncertainty, business and wealthier people tend to put the brakes on spending until they have a better idea of which way things may go. The Iowa Caucus was tonight. The primaries will be finished by the end of the month. Things should settle down after the candidates are nominated.

    It's also tax time. That always messes things up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhaenys View Post
    I started dancing around 2006/2007, and I can't really say that it's gotten worse, at least at the clubs I've been used to. If anything makes dancing feel like it's not worth what it used to be, it's probably inflation. $500 today is not as much as $500 was back in 2000, I would imagine.
    And remember that dance prices have stayed the same for how many years?

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