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    I plan on camming a minimal of 40 hours a week, but then I see other girls saying it's bad to expose yourself too much. I've been camming on and off the past few years but I'm ready to treat it like a real job and put in some hours. Is there a balance, or can I be online that much?

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    Default Re: So is being online too much a bad thing?

    If it doesn't make you feel too burned out I don't think it's that bad. I know there's a few women here who work that much.

    Edit: If you have that much time each week to put into camming and are happy doing it but worried about spending too much time in free chat, maybe you could dedicate 5-10 hours per week to filming clips and marketing yourself instead? That way you're still working on your career but in a different way.
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    I think it has both its good and bad sides to it. I know some girls work so much generally with free chat sites that they can wear out their welcome a bit and even the time wasters know where to find them, lol. And for some it's great to keep to a schedule so that customers and regulars know exactly where to find you. You're reliable. However I often have issues with not working enough. I notice I miss out on a lot of indy shows because I'm not on 24/7 and I know if I were to put in 50-60 hours I'd be much better off. It sucks when you have 10-15 guys waiting for you to add them on skype and you couldn't be fucked so working too much in terms of indy money I think is a good thing. Free chat? I tend to make more money being scarce because regs don't know when I'll be on next so as soon as I come on they're all fighting to take me pvt first.




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    Default Re: So is being online too much a bad thing?

    Exactly, that's my feelings about it too. I'm hoping a schedule will help

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    On one side you feel like people would get overexposed and bored of you if you're online too much. But then again the top girls on mfc usually work a minimum of 40-50 hours a week. So that does show that working more or at least full-time hours is what brings in the big bucks. I'd say to force yourself to work as much as you can with out disturbing your mental/physical health.

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    yes! ^ I know now, after being on this forum and just camming in general....you can't work 5 hours a week and get upset when that doesn't cover your bills. I'm going to do 8 hour days,
    Split, 5 days a week. And then I'll check my earnings after the 40 hours. Hoping the number surprises me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by theundercoverlover View Post
    I plan on camming a minimal of 40 hours a week, but then I see other girls saying it's bad to expose yourself too much. I've been camming on and off the past few years but I'm ready to treat it like a real job and put in some hours. Is there a balance, or can I be online that much?
    It really is a matter of how much you want to put into. and how much time you can put in and balance your own daily life.

    If you can fit in 40 hours then go with that. your life might have more free time then someone who has children or who is going to school full time or who has a JOB outside of the house.

    For me yes I can put in 70 hours a week on cam because I am already full-time working from home for the last 8 years and my second home business is just that another home business. so the only thing I have to schedule outside of the home are meeting, doctor appointments and business trips.

    Burn out is possible in any job in and out of the home. so there is no way someone can tell you something is too much because you will know what your limit is.

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    Chatting with Eastern Europe studio owners, the "28 hours" number came up again and again. Somehow they calculated that to be the max profitability and balance of model burnout a long time ago and it just kind of sticks as standard business practice. Its not a hard rule though, and keeping the rooms at capacity is usually more important if they don't have enough models.

    But yes, overexposure is possible, but you're talking about tapering off your $/hour, not suddenly losing income by working more hours. You will still make more money the longer you work no matter what. I think this can also be mitigated by working more sites at different times if you're on a manic streak.

    A lot of customers, especially the big spenders, see you as a sort of relationship material (if not declare it outright). The more they see you online, the more "reliable" you are and worth their investment. My highest earning times were when I was doing "rain or shine" shift work with set hours. Login at 9, take 30 for lunch, back to work until 30 minutes before the kids got home on the bus and never looked at how I did that day. At the end of the week it averaged to my best $/hour compared to just logging in when it felt right or sending the kids to grandma's and working the weekend.

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    It's not a bad thing if that's what you need to work to live comfortably. 40 hours on cam would be like 80+ hours at a regular job, lol! If you can do it, more power to you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KatyBoleyn View Post
    Chatting with Eastern Europe studio owners, the "28 hours" number came up again and again. Somehow they calculated that to be the max profitability and balance of model burnout a long time ago and it just kind of sticks as standard business practice. Its not a hard rule though, and keeping the rooms at capacity is usually more important if they don't have enough models.

    But yes, overexposure is possible, but you're talking about tapering off your $/hour, not suddenly losing income by working more hours. You will still make more money the longer you work no matter what. I think this can also be mitigated by working more sites at different times if you're on a manic streak.

    A lot of customers, especially the big spenders, see you as a sort of relationship material (if not declare it outright). The more they see you online, the more "reliable" you are and worth their investment. My highest earning times were when I was doing "rain or shine" shift work with set hours. Login at 9, take 30 for lunch, back to work until 30 minutes before the kids got home on the bus and never looked at how I did that day. At the end of the week it averaged to my best $/hour compared to just logging in when it felt right or sending the kids to grandma's and working the weekend.
    This is interesting. I am going to hijack a bit here. If I was calculating my time online as a maximum of 28 hours would I excluded the time that I am actually private or Exclusive? I ask because somedays Im pretty much back to back in Exclusive and Private and thus not really out there where all guys can see me so should it be 28 total or 28 being seen in public or guest chat?

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    I could never work more than 6 hours usually. Very rarely I was able to do 8-9 hours spread out through out the day. I find myself very burnt out.
    I find that working and really trying hard for 6 hours a day gave me great results.

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    I guess it depends on how popular you are as a model and what sites you prefer. Sites that are private based, it's better to work longer hours because it pretty much directly and logically equates to more dollars. MFC is a bit more complicated. If you are a popular MFC model with a large following then working longer hours makes sense because more exposure=more chance of making money. If you are just starting out on MFC, then doing shorter more consistent shifts is probably the most efficient way to build up a following first then you can work longer hours as you get more popular. If you are not a popular MFC model then it works against you to work longer hours where camscore can tank your placement.

    Other token sites don't place you by how much is earned per hour so feel free to work those as much as you want. I would say splitcamming is the most efficient way to earn money in the shortest amount of time although you don't really do that well on one particular site.

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    Ah thank you ladies! Love all the input. My goal now is to put in a lot of hours and once I gain some exposure and making more, I will do shorter shifts. I just know if I put in at least 30-40s a week on cam, I know the money is there. Just have to log on and stay on! I think a schedule would help too in beginning. Good idea on the clips too, and promotion, I'm excited!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepThoughts View Post
    This is interesting. I am going to hijack a bit here. If I was calculating my time online as a maximum of 28 hours would I excluded the time that I am actually private or Exclusive? I ask because somedays Im pretty much back to back in Exclusive and Private and thus not really out there where all guys can see me so should it be 28 total or 28 being seen in public or guest chat?
    I think the 28 hours needs to include privates and exclusives because the '28 hours' guideline is based on a balance between profitability and burn out. If you work 28 hours in private/exclusive on SM with, say, 75% time in paid chat and say 'nah, only counting free chat time,' then the 25% time in free chat would be ~9.33 hours (i.e., you were online a total of 37.33 hours for the week, but only counted the non-paid time towards that number). Now if you want 28 hours of non-paid chat and continue that 75% in paid chat time, you'd have to do, shit, nearly 75 more hours online in that week (18.66 in free and 54 in paid, based on that high time in paid ratio) for a total of nearly 110 hours in a week.

    That screams burn out to me. Granted, that also screams hella bank, because if you're making even $50 your cut during those hours on average you'd have pulled in, ya know, $5500 for the week.

    Soooo, long story short, I would count ALL time online, paid or not, towards burn out.


    I think it's worth noting on the side that models all go through the process of finding their own 'balance.' I personally like to hover at 50-60% paid chat time whenever possible, as I get bored on cam when I'm only in privates for 35-40% of any given hour (i.e. 20-25 minutes paid, 35-40 minutes in free), but I tend to get a bit exhausted in back-to-back shows all day long (if I'm only 'resting' in free chat for 5 minutes of every hour, my pussy is gonna ache).

    That particular issue of balance is where rate management comes in. Rates are a two fold issue. On the one hand, you want to make as much as you possibly can per hour (obviously) and thus want to find your 'sweet spot' in terms of high rates vs. high returns ($6.99/minute could average you $100 hours where as $7.99/minute could only be averaging you $50 hours). However, there's also the issue of balancing your ratio of free to paid chat time to your personal tastes. If you love back to back privates, you might want slightly lower rates (relative to your personal sweet spot of high rate/high return) to keep that average up/encourage customers to buy in. If you like more free chat time, you may want to move those rates up a bit above your personal sweet spot to keep the average where you're happiest.

    The thing is, it's great to make $100/hour, but if those $100/hours are burning you out so that you can only do, say, 10-15 hours online per week, you've just limited yourself to $1000-$1500 in earnings for the week. If you know you burn out at over 30 hours online per week and you prefer more time in free chat such that your hourly is only $50/hour, you've again effectively limited yourself to 30 hours x $50/hour = $1500 per week income. However, if you find your 'happy place/sweet spot' of per minute rate versus hourly income versus hours worked per week and get, say, $75/hour working that 28 hour schedule (or whatever your preferred hours online before you hit burn out is), then you just pulled in $2100 for the week in this example. There's the 'sweetest spot.'

    So, yes, working 'too many hours' is possible, but it's highly subjective. As Katy pointed out, at no point is working more hours really going to cause you to lose money unless there are other factors at work (burn out making you look miserable on camera will do it, but so will setting rates too high/low), but there is a sweet spot for highest possible earnings versus hours worked. The goal is to find it so that you make what you want to without killing yourself to do it.


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    As a follow up post more on point to the original question asked by OP, I've personally found that I can work too many hours but (as I mentioned in my above post) it's not so much because I'm suddenly losing money from being around 'too often' causing dudes to think I'm available whenever so much as it is that I start to look like a miserable, unhappy, uninterested hot mess at a certain point and that's just not attractive to anyone--horny or not! lol

    On the one hand, I know when my peak money hours are, what my sweet spot rates are, what my burn out hours are, and so on from two years of camming and somewhat obsessive tracking of this information. If you want to find yours, you'll have to track rates, try different times, and calculate your hourly rate (literally, what did you made from, say, 9-10 a.m. this morning) with pen and paper (or excel sheets you build to suit your own needs, in my case).

    I know what times are best for me to work in terms of money and I know what times are best for me to work in terms of my personal preferences (and, in turn, likelihood of following through with the shift).

    I struggled with a bit of perfectionist streak for a long time. I still do, from time to time, if I'm being entirely honest. I know that I can make bank from about 6 p.m. to 2 a.m. every night, again from about 4 a.m. to 9 a.m. every morning, and sometimes I can also do it from 1 - 4 p.m. every afternoon. I struggled massively with picking shifts as a result of that, because I wanted to do all the shifts and then ended up doing, well, none of the shifts because I missed one and mentally went 'oh fuck it, I screwed up today, try again tomorrow.' Not a good thing, obviously. In that respect, trying to be online too much (such that you psych yourself out) is a bad thing.

    When it came to setting a schedule that worked for me, I sat down and realistically listed my preferences and some SMART goals (specific, measurable, achievable, realistic, time-bound--rough acronym, but it varies depending on the google source) regarding both shift times and lengths, as well as my daily/weekly/monthly income goals. I want at least $2k/week across all of my eggs. I would rather work, say, texting and vanilla at-home gigs in the afternoon/evenings than I would cam, which I prefer to do in the mornings but I know I make more at night than early morning/day time. I also need to sleep somewhere in there. I can personally stand at least 4 hours on cam straight with small 5 minute breaks every hour without issue, but hours 5 and 6 are a struggle, whereas going longer than 6 without a looooong break is basically a death keel to working again anytime in the next 48 hours. Know thyself and plan for it. That's an example of when working too many hours is harmful because it killed my productivity at later times.


    OP, since you've already cammed part-time for several years, you probably already have at least some idea of your personal preferences. Write those down. Also write down what, if any, things that you personally know cause you to lose motivation, get side tracked, or burn out. Next, write down what you would, ideally AND realistically like to make per week and how many hours you want to build up to (ideal and realistic numbers aren't the same--they're two separate figures that I call 'low goal' and 'reach goal'). Looking at all these things will allow you to build an ideal schedule as well as a realistic 'reach' schedule to start from as you build towards your eventual ideal schedule.

    Also, and this was a big issue my perfectionism caused in me, allow yourself to fail. If you don't give yourself permission to make adjustments or not be successful, you're mentally going to hurt yourself long term. Just my $.02 though.
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