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    Default 5 months in and still haven't gotten my feet wet! I need some advice!

    Hello there everyone, I'm Stephanie aka: Eva. I'm 23 years old and have been a dancer for 5 months in Tampa, FL. I used to be an obese girl with no self esteem, I hated talking to people and didn't have a sex drive until last year. The very first time that I ever entered into a nightclub none the less a strip club was to work. Needless to say, I've come a long way as I can talk to customers and sometimes even make quite a bit of money. (Even during slow seasons) However, I've noticed that I really haven't gotten into the real swing of things. My hustle game is weak and I often get my time wasted. Below I have some questions and I'd love your input on them. Thank you!

    1. Are stage tippers a waste of time approaching?

    I often wonder this... I usually thank whoever tips me on stage. Unless if they tip me only $1 or $2 then I usually ignore them. (I'm bad, I know. BUT COME ON, YOU TIP A BUS BOY AT A BUFFET MORE THAN THAT. I feel insulted rather than appreciated... Like seriously, keep your crusty dollar, it only serves to hurts my ego.)

    (With good tippers) After I thank them, should I ever sit down with them? Is that awkward? I feel like they're there with a stack of ones to watch girls and not really do any private dances. Should I change my mindset?

    2. Do you let customers touch you for dollars?

    I have this problem constantly and it infuriates me... Guys will just come up to me and slap my butt, grope my boobs and then MAYBE slip $1 - 3 into my bra or underpants sloppily. (Sometimes they do it without tipping) For me, this diminishes my sense of high value in the situation and throws off my mojo. If I can see them about to do it and can catch them in time, I will literally grab their hands and say "No, no, no. You didn't pay for that~" in a flirty tone. Otherwise, it will happen and I'll break my teeth grinning at them and push out "Awww, thank you baby!" "I really want to break your face and stuff your nasty dollars into the holes that I will have made in your face..."

    How do you all handle this? Am I over exaggerating? Can these morons actually be turned into good customers or are they just a waste of time?

    3. How to go from "Will you be mine" to VIP?

    I hate this so much! I have met millionaires before who will spend maybe only $300 (sometimes even less) on me in the club, but want to take me on vacations to Hawaii and shit. I'm not Jazmin from Aladdin, I don't care if you want to show me a "whole new world" I just want to give you a good time in here damn it! I will get them smitten with me, but then they'll leave "heartbroken" when I won't fall "madly in love" with them and then lose that potential regular.

    How do I take a potential sugar daddy and turn him into a regular paying customer?

    (Trust me, men who ask me to go home with them without any money being exchanged just get laughed at)

    4. What kind of girls are you and how do you work that angle?

    I've noticed that there are some different types of girls at clubs. Every girl has their own approach naturally, but there are some different varieties in a broad spectrum.

    You have your party girls, your sensual types, the girls who have many customers or the girl who has one customer. How do you work your angle?

    5. How do you make more on stage?

    I have an issue with this as I am more sensual in the way that I work. I can't really do many pole-tricks, a fireman spin and maybe variations of that are all that I have in my arsenal. I have been a dancer for 5 months or so and I have only had it "rain" on me maybe once. I want it SO BAD. It's such easy money, no talking, no selling, just dancing, it really is my favorite way to make money.

    I see other girls literally jumping from pedestals onto the poles and spinning around upside down, doing push-ups, smashing their butts against the stage, handstands, and just other crazy tricks and naturally they get rained on. (The majority of the time anyways, sometimes they'll only get $10 in singles thrown on stage)

    I personally try getting close and personal with the customers, talking to them, touching their faces, blowing them kisses, endless eye contact, along with doing some moves. I have even begged for it by picking my (lousy amount in singles) off the ground and making it rain on myself or making hand gestures to the man with the stack of $1's to throw them at me. But the most I ever get is about $30 on stage on a regular night.

    Are there ways that I make customers just throw all of their money at me without doing insane pole tricks?

    6. Is it me or is it where I work?

    As I stated before, I currently work in Tampa, FL. "The strip club capital" However, it seems like it has died out over here. Some Thursday nights we'll have 50+ girls and barely that amount of customers and the ones that we do get always seem cheap! Getting dances from them are like ripping out teeth for me.

    "$20 for a dance? That's outrageous!" (As they offer to buy me a drink which is usually $10 or over, and that's perfectly reasonable to them.)
    "$150 for a 15 minute room?! What else do I get?"

    I also get generally talked down to like as if I'm an idiot, and a lot of them claim to "know the game" and won't pay for strippers. (Why are you here then ass-hat? Go to a bar.)

    I've talked with other dancers from other states and they say that it seems bad over here and that the locals are spoiled. Yet (on good nights) I see the head honcho girls making $500 - $1000 in 5 hours versus the underlings who work hard for 8 hours for $300. The other night, I worked 6 hours for $46... Not cool...

    It must be me, but I see other girls with the same problems too. So I'm not alone.
    I want to travel to the hot spots, but that's expensive too. Where is a place that has good steady business year round with fairly suitable customers? I am sick of these spoiled douchey Tampa brokedick fountains.
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    Default Re: 5 months in and still haven't gotten my feet wet! I need some advice!

    Damn that's a lot of questions.

    No I generally don't let customers touch me on stage because then what's the allure of going private?
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    Default Re: 5 months in and still haven't gotten my feet wet! I need some advice!

    Ok so with stage tippers, I just go with my gut instinct..if I see a guy ogling me onstage or making eye contact or tipping well I always go over after..just a feeling you get.

    And oh HELL no! I never let assholes on stage touch! You are not overreacting, I can't believe they don't throw them out for that! Be firm.

    Every stripper runs into those kinds of time wasting ballsacks regularly. They don't make good regulars. With a regular or SD, things have to happen organically, don't force it or try and turn cheap twats into regs. I'll give them a quick "well let's go have some fun first to see if we have good chemistry " and if that doesn't work I'll excuse myself and try and find a guy who understands club dynamics. There are whole threads that deal with cultivating regs so use the search!

    I try and be whatever girl I think they want..and when i was first starting out I played with my look a lot to see what worked best..be a chameleon. Guessing what customers want comes with experience

    If making eye contact, always smiling, and hitting the stage w confidence and working th crowd don't work at your club , then I guess I'm kind of stumped there! Even cheesy moves like grinning and biting my lip while stroking the pole have garnered me more tips than any pole trick but I guess it's club specific to a degree.Maybe try working on your flexibility , pole tricks, whatever. Or when you dance really put a lot of energy into it!! If that's what works in your club then it will be worth it to work on those.

    At 5 months you're still very much a baby stripper and there's a steep learning curve. Read read read hustle hut and don't give up!

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    Default Re: 5 months in and still haven't gotten my feet wet! I need some advice!

    Holy crap, this is a LONG post (but thanks for breaking it into numbers at least!)


    1. Are stage tippers a waste of time approaching?

    Ok, honestly I think you have a bad mindset about this. In fact, I can't think of anyone I know who would say "stage tippers are a waste of time". Here it's done out of interest in getting dances and I often don't have to 'cold approach' anyone between stages, as I just go around to the customers who tipped me. Some guys are only tipping stage, and I will still sometimes go up to them and ask "What are you up to?" and they will usually say "Oh I'm just watching the show".

    Many customers think $1 or $2 is standard. It's not that they're being cheap. You should be grateful for every dollar, even if you only make $5 a stage set that will pay part of your tipout, and you usually HAVE to do stage so you might as well make something on it. Also, maybe that guy only had $30 in his pocket, but he gave you $3 on stage and wants to give you the other $27 for 2 floor dances + tip. "Cheap" is relative. You never know. Be grateful, I guess is my point here... it's a lot better for your 'attraction' vibes.


    2. Do you let customers touch you for dollars?

    Not in the way you are describing, no. Last time a customer slapped my ass on the floor, I had the manager give her a talking to. Otherwise I turn around and say "Excuse me? That's not okay" and they apologize.

    I do think you need to grow a thicker skin. You cannot be insulted by stage tips (this still absolutely baffles me, I'd rather be given $1 than nothing!) and being groped is an occupational hazard. Many of these guys are buffoons who can't get women in real life. Don't take it personally.

    3. How to go from "Will you be mine" to VIP?

    Lost cause IMO. Rich guys are often the stingiest. I can't tell you how many times when I was waiting tables, I'd get a black AmEx card to pay a ridiculous bill, and they'd tip 10%. You can giggle and string the fantasy along vaguely for a few visits but that's about it in my experience.

    [B]4. What kind of girls are you and how do you work that angle?

    I don't have 1 angle. My outfits & stage songs are very un-niche-like so I don't get stereotyped. I switch personalities depending on the crowd. If you follow me around, you'll hear me go from talking like a ghetto hood rat with the young party guys, to talking about engineering or social issues with the intellectuals. Sometimes I'm "HEY WHAT UP GUYS? Let's get this party started!" and sometimes I'm "Hey hon, why you hiding all alone?" I dance differently for each group too. The party guys may want tits smashed in their face and a big show made of a lap dance, and the quiet guy might want to basically cuddle or have a sensual dance.

    5. How do you make more on stage?

    This sounds like it's just your club and you might have to learn some pole tricks. Depends on the crowd too. When I started working nights, I had to learn some of the 'ass tricks' (flexing the cheeks, shaking it, etc.) in order to get the party crowd to tip me. I don't have to pull that out when it's business guys. You can probably find some stuff on Youtube to help. I know there's an "Instructional video thread" on here somewhere in this sub-forum.

    6. Is it me or is it where I work?

    I hear Florida is quite tough and it takes seasoned hustlers to make real money. I'm not sure what to advise you on with that. Guys that "know the game" are lost causes though and I doubt anyone can really sway them, so don't beat yourself up on that.
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    Default Re: 5 months in and still haven't gotten my feet wet! I need some advice!

    1. No, if a guy is sitting at stage and tipping the girls (albeit a dollar at a time) he is there to spend money in exchange for seeing nude women. These are the exact people you should try to sell dances to (unless you have a reg. or something waiting at a table.). They will say yes or no but you can hustle them faster. I would start thee after a stage set and work my way out/away.

    2. No! WTF is wrong with this younger generation; it's like you guys backslid gender equality!! It is your body and just because someone is paying you does not give them the right to touch you in a way that makes you feel uncomfortable. If I feel comfortable with someone or we are in the VIP I may allow them to touch my legs, back, stomach etc. BTW saying "Aww, thank You baby" after someone assaults you (google def. of assault please before people jump down my throat); is encouraging them.

    3. Why, in particular do you think these men are millionaires? Do you know this for a fact or are you being hustled by them? I really don't know you or where you work so; while yes- it is possible; it is also more plausible that they know you are new/naive or at least think you are naive (esp. if they are regulars of your club) and are trying to get you OTC. Or maybe they are just talking shit. I'm not saying this to be mean to you- I am trying to help you out here. You need to be more assertive with them and turn every single thing they say to you around on them and try to turn it into a sale. If you are ot able to close the deal by their third or so rebuttal then move on. I mean, if tells you he wants to take you on a trip or some BS, respond by saying "Wow, that sounds really nice. I have always wanted to go there.. But you know,...we hardly know each other... How abut we step into my office and change that" (or however you organically speak).

    4. I have a glam style and am a beast. I am a tough bitch and a control freak, but also pretty funny and witty in my personal life and much like this ITC. I know you are asking for your own sake but you need to find your persona and hustle as you can not steal or even mimic someone else's.

    5. Stage money is bullshit unless you are at a black club. Not sure where you work but your stage money sounds pretty average if you are not. If you want to get better on the pole you just need to practice and be in the best shape physically that you can be in. No one is born knowing how to invert or twerk.

    6. Is it you or the club? Well, I do not mean any disrespect to you or anyone else but Tampa Bay (while it does have some very nice areas) is not as strong economically as other places. Housing is cheap and wages are low. Like many places in the south there are a lot of poor and un/under educated people (aka trash). Again, with the how do you know these people actually have money (#2) But $20 is not a lot of money for a dance, that is the standard rate in a large number of areas so someone who "knows the game" would know this. Also, do not let people talk down to you, or if they do do not let it get to you. If you are looking to go somewhere else I would head south on the West Coast of Fla. or leave this state all together because it only gets worse down this way!
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    Default Re: 5 months in and still haven't gotten my feet wet! I need some advice!

    1.) I would only approach them to thank them and ask them if they would like a private dance with me. I do this quickly.
    2.) NO.
    3.) I tell them we need to get to know each other better in VIP and then we can take it from there. There's levels to this shit.
    4.) I'm aggressive and assertive. I don't waste time.
    5.) I think it's where you work.

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    Default Re: 5 months in and still haven't gotten my feet wet! I need some advice!

    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Damn that's a lot of questions.

    No I generally don't let customers touch me on stage because then what's the allure of going private?
    I know, I talk a lot~
    Like too much sometimes.

    Yeah, that's what I think too!
    They usually don't tip you here in FL without you making some kind of interaction physically with them though. (Eye contact, biting lips, blowing kisses aren't enough)
    Touching their faces, letting them touch your legs, and then some of them get presumptuous and touch you inappropriately for little to nothing. I think that I'm just going to accept not making money on stage, because it does ruin the mystique.

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