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    Quote Originally Posted by Layla.00 View Post
    I hated today.


    First day at a new club with a more "high class" clientele than I am used to.


    I hate these guys and don't know how to hustle them. I kept missed out on opportunities and fucked myself for a couple of VIPs.


    I miss my oil riggers, construction workers, miners, truckers, welders and other working class guys who understand that I'm also working and that nothing comes for free.


    Also - fuck non contact dances. The rules at this place is ridiculous. No touching the customer, no touching the wall behind them, no touching the couch they are sitting on. I don't know if I'm just following the rules too closely or something but it seems impossible to have anyone stay for more than a single dance because well .. why would they?
    I was inspired to start this thread after reading this post in the "My Last Shift" thread, and doing a search for "white collar" here in the Hustle Hut section and nothing coming up.

    I too, will soon be working at a club with a more high class/educated clientele, and well, to be honest I'm feeling a bit nervous and intimidated! What tips/advice can you ladies share? Anyone been in a similar situation? How did you adjust/acclimate? Did you end up doing well and were happy that you made the change?

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    Default Re: Hustling White Collar Customers

    At the end of the day men are men and they think with their penis. Dress a bit more elegantly, make sure your hair/nails/make up is classy. I become more like a geisha when I deal with men like that, anticipate their needs, hand them their drink, be attentive, stuff like that. A lot of very rich men come into our club, after a few drinks they all act the same. Don't be intimidated, they are there for you afterall. Good luck at your new club.


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    Thanks for starting this thread. I was really irritable last night after my shift when I posted that comment.

    I would love to hear other dancers tips for these types of customers, especially from dancers that have experience with the working class guys with a lot of disposable income as well.

    I understand that after a couple of drinks it doesn't really matter if their rich or not but I find the initial conversation really difficult. I think partly it's because I have very little respect for a lot of these men and what they do for a living and it's a barrier to fully engaging them. Nothing annoys me more than buddy talking about how much money he has and the lifestyle he lives when I am working my ass off to make a couple of bucks and a lot of the girls I work with are trying to support kids, families and deal with all sorts of shitty life situations.

    I need to learn how to hide this disdain better.

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    I find the key to hustling many white collar customers is to get them talking, so it helps to have a bit of knowledge about a lot of light topics, such as sports, travel, current events, arts, etc. You don't have to be an expert on any of them, but know just enough to guide a conversation about it -- ideally you can keep it sexy too. The point isn't for you to ramble on about them but to get the customer talking about something that interests him -- then he'll think you're a delight to talk to and want to keep spending more time with you, especially because you can be naked in his lap at the same time.

    My conversations tend to follow the same structure until I find the topic that gets the customer excited and that I can chat about. If you're guiding the conversation, you can steer it away from them rambling about their lifestyle if that doesn't interest you, but, unfortunately a lot of men do like to brag and want a dancer who will ooh and aah at how great their life is, so sometimes you have to stifle your eye rolls and go with it if you want to make money. If a customer starts going on about something, I'll usually let him because he's clearly indicated what he's into.

    So, I'll generally open by asking what brings them to the club. If they're there to party, I might focus on music and going out as topics. If they're visiting from out of town, travel is usually a safe topic. If they're watching a game or drinking before/after a game, sports is the obvious topic. If that doesn't lead to a good conversation, I'll ask what they like to do for fun. Some will say coming to the club, so from there it's generally an easy sale to talk a bit about how fun the club is and then close. Otherwise, their answer tends to open up a good topic. If I'm with someone particularly unchatty, I'll ask if they've seen any good movies lately or done anything exciting, and that will usually give me something to latch onto. Notice that I don't ask about their work -- I find that most customers come to the club to unwind and some are even paranoid about getting "caught" in the club, so totally avoiding that topic is an easy way to keep the conversation light and get/keep them in a good mood.

    Above all, you want to keep the conversation light and sexy. I love to throw in a couple of euphemisms relevant to our topic, especially when I'm closing the sale. They're usually cheesy as hell, but they show that I've not only been paying attention but am also fun, so they tend to be pretty effective in sealing the deal.

    Also, if you've got a really good conversation going, don't just clam up once you start giving dances. My biggest spenders tend to be customers who chat while getting dances -- sometimes I'll even just be sitting in their lap for a few songs while we continue our conversation -- and that really helps stack dances because it's much easier to lose track of time when it's not silent and they're more actively engaged than just being danced on.

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    I don't hustle by job as much as by personality type. I hustle laid-back, sweet engineers differently than hyped-up, insecure-but-presenting-as-alpha businessmen.

    So keep adjusting your hustle to each customer, but make sure your look is on point. Great makeup, necklace, nice outfit.

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    I've only danced at one club with that clientele, so I have no idea how normal or unique my experience is. That said, a fast hustle is still noticeably slower than eye-fucking someone as you walk up to them, bending over, and asking if they want a dance. Having something to talk about is a huge part of the sale. Anyone can give a lap dance -- they will all be different lap dances, but anyone can give them regardless. If they wanted *just* a lap dance, they could go to literally any club in the area. They came here because they want lap dances -- but they also want something more. In this case, "extra" doesn't mean sexual favors as much as conversation. Have something to talk about that sets you apart from the crowd of girls around you. Have knowledge or a point of view you can speak from, but still let him be the star of the show. Every now and then have something you can contribute to show there's actually something interesting going on behind those glamored up eyes. 1/3 of the time, I don't sell lap dances at all. I just get paid to talk. Selling VIPs becomes less about finding a private place to dance and more about having a quieter, more relaxed area to converse in. After you've sat and conversed for a few minutes, go ahead and close the sale. At my club, they'll either say yes and buy dances, or, if they don't want dances, they'll decline, but pay you for the time you've spent talking with them. If they don't offer money for the time spent, I take the initiative and ask them to tip me for my time, and then leave.

    (NOTE: In this context, VIP = private rooms that go by the time, not slightly private sections that go by the song at a slightly higher rate. Your club may vary.)

    That's the longer hustle. The faster hustle is to sit with someone, introduce yourself, and ask if they've been here before. If they say no, explain the VIP options. If they say yes, ask if they're a VIP member/have a VIP membership (if applicable to your club.) If they say no, sell the VIP. "It's only $XXX and you get Y Y Y Y, so it's a really good deal/make the most of tonight/have some fun/treat yourself/blah blah blah." If they say yes, ask if they'd like to go there instead. If he hesitates, suggest a future time. "Maybe after we have our drinks," or something similar. The point of that is to allow you both to feel each other out. He'll either say "We'll see" or "Not just yet, thank you." The first is almost a yes, but he wants to talk with you a bit more first to make sure you're what he's looking for. Once you have your drinks, go ahead and prompt him. If he says "Not right now" or something similar, it's a no. Otherwise, it's on up to VIP.

    Alternatively, after you find out he's a member, you can sit and chat for a couple songs (whatever he wants to talk about, be actively engaged) and then suggest you both go somewhere more private/quieter/less busy/etc. However you want to sell it. Very briefly and casually negotiate price/package ("Did you want to go for an hour?" "How long did you want to go for?") once you take your seats in the VIP area (if possible. if your club requires you pay before entry, ask on your way to pay.)

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    In my experience, men who have always been upper middle class tend to have a bias towards strippers along the lines of us all being uneducated, dumb, and from a poor upbringing. If you want to impress them and show that you're "worthy of their money" (gaaagggg), you should make them think that you're an affluent fancy-pants like them. To their gross classist logic, strip clubs are places for girls who can't get a vanilla job, so if you can present yourself as a cool sexy Cinderella who could get a real job but doesn't want to for the moment, they'll see you as a diamond in the rough and spend lots of $$$$ on your special self.

    I usually start out hinting that I'm Just Like Them™ by telling them that I grew up in [local affluent city], mentioning that I went to school, and talking about my refined lady hobbies like gardening, reading books, visiting museums, and practicing my French. It's immensely helpful to be able to discuss history, politics, literature, movies that white dudes like, and the nuances of his job whether he's a doctor, lawyer, engineer or whatever. Just be sure to never discuss it at length -- subtle hints are enough because you do NOT want to bore him by talking shop -- and never ever stop being a sexy stripper goddess.

    The great thing about this hustle is that literally anyone can do it, regardless of your actual upbringing. Wikipedia is your #1 tool for developing enough background knowledge on any subject, but it's a good idea to have at least one thing you can discuss in depth if necessary. Read Forbes. Read Excellence (the Porsche magazine). Read National Geographic and pretend you've been to Tahiti. Cite a Supreme Court case. Listen to NPR. Think of yourself as Kate Middleton. Date engineers in your personal life so you know what makes them tick. Above all, act like none of it's a big deal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kaninchen View Post
    In my experience, men who have always been upper middle class tend to have a bias towards strippers along the lines of us all being uneducated, dumb, and from a poor upbringing. If you want to impress them and show that you're "worthy of their money" (gaaagggg), you should make them think that you're an affluent fancy-pants like them. To their gross classist logic, strip clubs are places for girls who can't get a vanilla job, so if you can present yourself as a cool sexy Cinderella who could get a real job but doesn't want to for the moment, they'll see you as a diamond in the rough and spend lots of $$$$ on your special self.

    I usually start out hinting that I'm Just Like Them™ by telling them that I grew up in [local affluent city], mentioning that I went to school, and talking about my refined lady hobbies like gardening, reading books, visiting museums, and practicing my French. It's immensely helpful to be able to discuss history, politics, literature, movies that white dudes like, and the nuances of his job whether he's a doctor, lawyer, engineer or whatever. Just be sure to never discuss it at length -- subtle hints are enough because you do NOT want to bore him by talking shop -- and never ever stop being a sexy stripper goddess.

    The great thing about this hustle is that literally anyone can do it, regardless of your actual upbringing. Wikipedia is your #1 tool for developing enough background knowledge on any subject, but it's a good idea to have at least one thing you can discuss in depth if necessary. Read Forbes. Read Excellence (the Porsche magazine). Read National Geographic and pretend you've been to Tahiti. Cite a Supreme Court case. Listen to NPR. Think of yourself as Kate Middleton. Date engineers in your personal life so you know what makes them tick. Above all, act like none of it's a big deal.
    Adding a twist to your hustle. Some of these guys WANT us to fit their misconceptions. They WANT us to be slightly ditzy or damaged, or whatever, and are looking to spend money on that stereotype.

    OP - The best hustle is always agile. Adjust the approach as necessary by paying attention to what he projects onto you and by asking the right questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    Adding a twist to your hustle. Some of these guys WANT us to fit their misconceptions. They WANT us to be slightly ditzy or damaged, or whatever, and are looking to spend money on that stereotype.

    OP - The best hustle is always agile. Adjust the approach as necessary by paying attention to what he projects onto you and by asking the right questions.
    Totally agreed. Newton's third law of stripping: for every hustle, there is an equal and opposite hustle.

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    I can't offer anything helpful but I will say I'm so happy someone started a thread like this and I'm reading through and appreciating a lot of the advice. I have trouble with these kinds of customers as well.

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    I hear you Layla. My favorite customers usually aren't "white collar". I'm working at the fancy club tomorrow and I do better there when I wear fake eyelashes and extensions. It's weird because it's not a chit chat club and I'm a talker. I love joking around with my construction workers, veterans, and regular dudes. Rich dudes I find to be cheaper or worry I'm "using them for their money" (seriously. I have wanted to shake them and say I AM A STRIPPER YOU IDIOT).

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    Adding a twist to your hustle. Some of these guys WANT us to fit their misconceptions. They WANT us to be slightly ditzy or damaged, or whatever, and are looking to spend money on that stereotype.

    OP - The best hustle is always agile. Adjust the approach as necessary by paying attention to what he projects onto you and by asking the right questions.
    This ^^

    If a customer brings up an event/hobby/place/whatever that you aren't super familiar with, get them to tell you about it. Lines like, "That's so interesting! You know so much about 'x'" etc will make him love you. If he feels like you truly think he's the most special guy in the world, your sale is closed. Men love talking about themselves, so let him.

    Also, don't feel like you HAVE to talk with them for a long time... you can talk your way OUT of a sale just as easily as you can talk yourself into one. I tend to keep it under two minutes because that's as long as I'm capable of being interesting/feigning interest for without being paid, unless I've got somebody I can tell is a for sure VIP sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaninchen View Post
    In my experience, men who have always been upper middle class tend to have a bias towards strippers along the lines of us all being uneducated, dumb, and from a poor upbringing. If you want to impress them and show that you're "worthy of their money" (gaaagggg), you should make them think that you're an affluent fancy-pants like them. To their gross classist logic, strip clubs are places for girls who can't get a vanilla job, so if you can present yourself as a cool sexy Cinderella who could get a real job but doesn't want to for the moment, they'll see you as a diamond in the rough and spend lots of $$$$ on your special self.
    This is so true with some customers. I met a chiropractor sitting at the bar looking really uninterested in me and the club itself. He barely even made eye contact when I tried talking to him until I mentioned my degree and what I want to do with it and he immediately perked up and became interested in me. After we talked a little more about his field and what I want to do he got a bunch of dances and tipped very well.

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    Since I live in Portland, our white collar customers tend to lean on the liberal side of the political spectrum. This means they have an issue with "objectifying" women and are generally torn between their sexual desires and their morals in regards to human trafficking.

    FYI, politically conservative customers are so much easier to hustle. It's like they are already 90% of the way there before they ever walk in the door. All a stripper has to do to land a wealthy conservative customer is look good and be a little dumber than he is.

    This liberal type of white collar guy needs to know that his stripper is doing her job 100% for her own reasons and not because her pimp or financial circumstances have forced her there. I try to give them whiplash between heavy flirting and talking about something I heard on NPR (liberal white collar guys LOOOOOOOVVVVE NPR).

    I've also found that liberal white collar guys are kinky and feel very uncomfortable about their kinks. Generally, I'll share some super-bizzarre story about a previous fetish customer so that they can feel comfortable expressing themselves to me. I call it the "Jerry Springer" hustle. They feel normal compared to the weirdness I just laid on them and don't worry about being judged.

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    This thread. I haven't gone back to my club yet since having the baby - but I'm remembering a few custies that were wide open and I avoided them because I was intimidated and unsure how to approach them. I wish I could go back because I missed out on some good sales - but this will help me when I start work again. Most of our guys are very blue collar - but those few here and there who are upper crust can definitely make it worth the effort :-)

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    i have found that even the white collar guys are no different and if you are too intelligent/educated and let that shine through they are turned off for 2 reasons:

    1) they came for the trashy stripper experience/probably have an educated girl at home

    2) it raises their suspicions/ makes you unauthentic to them/ an educated stripper looks 'fishy'


    however i don't doubt that there are men who appreciate a well-rounded companion, i just sadly haven't experienced it.

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    Thanks for all the input ladies. This has been very informative.

    Maybe it's white collared British men that I have a problem connecting with. I don't even really know if white collared in the word I'm looking for. The nouveau riche types back in Canada, I think I have a handle on but it's the Oxford educated, fox hunting, has a fucking palace somewhere types that are totally perplexing to me.

    I think a part of it also has to do with how I look at work. I'm curvy, tanned, big hair, flashy itsy bitsy stripper wear and a tad on the trashy side, if I do say so myself. Outside of the club I rock all black, tights and hoodies and have a pretty nondescript boring American Apparel-esque style but in the club my inner trashy stripper really shines.

    This generally works for me at home but it seems to be less of a thing in England based on the two clubs I've worked at. One was a top club in Bristol and one was a small club in a small town. Here there is definitely more lingerie, baby dolls, gowns and an allure of fanciness that most of the clubs I've worked at back home don't try to portray.

    I didn't know this and wasn't willing to invest in a whole new wardrobe, especially since I don't really like most of that stuff on myself. The only thing I bought is the mandatory gown. It was the only one I could find last minute in Bristol and it's stretchy red lace and completely hideous. Even the dancers going for more of a trashy look (willingly or unwillingly ha!) here still are more covered up and wear lingerie rather than brightly coloured thong bikinis.

    My strip trip in England is over now and I'll be heading back to Greece in a couple of days but as long as the Canadian dollar is doing so shit, I'll likely be back in the UK and all these tips are super helpful!

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    My go to explanation for being a stripper (to rich guys) is that I am sexually perverted & can't maintain normal relationships. These guys have no problems with using people so taking me to VIP for dirty laughs sounds like a win win scenario & everyone loves those. Remember strip clubs are fantasy land.

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