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    Default When a customer asks if he will get extras before going pvt are you honest?

    Sorry if this has been posted but I had this happen last night and would like to know if there is a better way to go about this. I tried to sell a guy a 30 minute room last night and he flat out asks me if I will take that long to "finish". Ughhhh, so I told him straight forward that there is none of that back there with me. He told me he thought that was the normal for this club. Honestly, that is the reputation and a big percentage of girls do do extras. There's a condom machine in the bathroom, no joke. It's still very possible to make money as a clean dancer at this club is why I work there if anyone is wondering. You just have to keep your guard up at all times and be very careful because it is sketch as hell, especially the private rooms so def not a newbie friendly atmosphere.

    Anyways, this guy was also a very big man, not fat but like at least 6 foot 7 and buff so I didnt want to take my chances playing him for sure and making him think I would "finish" him, then getting raped or beat cause he got pissed off. I was very tempted to play him along cause it WA my first night back working in a while and I've been flat broke but still didn't take my chances.

    So, what would you have done?

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    Default Re: When a customer asks if he will get extras before going pvt are you honest?

    You did the right thing by going with your instinct and avoiding the potential conflict. It's never a good idea to agree to specific acts you know you won't do. I work in an extras-heavy club too, and whenever guys ask me explicitly about what happens in VIP, I literally just give them an open-ended goofy line like, "I'm gonna show you the rainbow with ALL the colors!" or "I'm gonna draxx you sklounst!" (thank you Key & Peele!)

    This approach is effective 90% of the time. I honestly have no idea if men find that charming, or if they think it's some weird new slang for sex. Either way, I give awesome dances and keep my customers happy. Plus, how would they go about complaining anyway? "You never draxxed me sklounst, what the fuck?!"

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    Default Re: When a customer asks if he will get extras before going pvt are you honest?

    That's never been my game to lie about what they get in a room. In the French quarter and many other places that's how some girls make their living. And they make a good living. Course it's a risky thing to do and largely depends on whether or not the VIP staff really has your back. As in will they protect you if shit goes south? Will they give the guy his money back if he feels ripped off? Many cases they will back you up if something's in it for them. But I wouldn't put my well being in some bouncer's hands. They surely don't value it as much as I do.
    All those things plus would someone be waiting for you after you get off to collect on what you promised? Is it an area where you get tourists that won't be there the next day, are too drunk to remember, or are you in a place with regulars, in which case it would be a bad business decision to rip people off.

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    Yea when they ask what happens back there use open ended lines also, usually I say something like I'll show you a good time, lets go but this guy had no shame in his blurting it out what he expected, lol so you're right, best to always go with my instincts to avoid that happening with any customer which is what i do in those situations - I've honestly just had very few flat out ask me for sex, they usually ask the what happens back there question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jekka View Post
    That's never been my game to lie about what they get in a room. In the French quarter and many other places that's how some girls make their living. And they make a good living. Course it's a risky thing to do and largely depends on whether or not the VIP staff really has your back. As in will they protect you if shit goes south? Will they give the guy his money back if he feels ripped off? Many cases they will back you up if something's in it for them. But I wouldn't put my well being in some bouncer's hands. They surely don't value it as much as I do.
    All those things plus would someone be waiting for you after you get off to collect on what you promised? Is it an area where you get tourists that won't be there the next day, are too drunk to remember, or are you in a place with regulars, in which case it would be a bad business decision to rip people off.
    This club is in bfe middle of nowhere for serious so 99% of customers are regulars. The club is ran by the owners wife by herself until the bouncer comes in later but she's usually by herself for a few hours before he gets there. On slow nights its just her. I definitely don't trust either to back me up if shit goes south, I kind of think they would side with the customer, actually pretty sure they probably would. If there were more options of clubs to work that are safer I wouldn't be at this club because of how dangerous it could be with the wrong customers but as of rich now its my only option so best thing for me to do is not pls the men along and just keep making money off the guys that appreciate what I do offer.

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    Default Re: When a customer asks if he will get extras before going pvt are you honest?

    Yes, absolutely. Never promise something you aren't going to deliver, it's skeevy and dishonest and can get you into a lot of trouble..in some clubs they will return the guys money and dismiss you, or what if it's an undercover? if a guy straight out asks I will tell him "no, sorry, but there are other ways of having fun" etc. if they ask what they'll get you can give evasive suggestive answers but usually I'll just tell them the truth but make it sound awesome because I honestly don't want to deal w a guy who expects a BJ back there. Not worth it for the money I get.

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    Default Re: When a customer asks if he will get extras before going pvt are you honest?

    When I get a customer who asks if he can bluntly do XYZ, I tell him I'm going to someone else and have a good night. I do it in a graceful way to make them feel like shit for asking. Lol.

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    Haha yea I remained tactful as well, I don't remember exactly what I told him but I excused myself to go to the bathroom, told him to enjoy the rest of his night and that if he changed his mind and wanted to try a regular dance then to find me. He still continued to tip me on stage until the crazy tweaking out new girl that started last night took him to the back lol.

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    Default Re: When a customer asks if he will get extras before going pvt are you honest?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    When I get a customer who asks if he can bluntly do XYZ, I tell him I'm going to someone else and have a good night. I do it in a graceful way to make them feel like shit for asking. Lol.
    This is exactly what I do. Sometimes they go with me anyways but my club is low on extras. It's almost like some guys know they won't get it but they want to try anyway just in case I might say yes. I also will not take a chance that they're a cop. Not worth the risk IMHO.

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    Default Re: When a customer asks if he will get extras before going pvt are you honest?

    I put the question back on them. "What exactly are you looking for? / asking for?" If they give another vague answer, like "I just wanna make sure we'll have a great time," then keep the hustle going. "I can guarantee, we'll have a fantastic time. Dancing, massage, talking, cuddling...it'll be amazing!" If he gives a more direct answer, like "I'm hoping to get off," then say something like "Well, I don't have much control over your *wink* reactions, but I can guarantee we'll enjoy ourselves together!"

    Generally these guys are time wasters for clean dancers. If you worked in a club with a high customer turnover, you could get away with quasi-scamming these guys (not recommended, but still...harder to resist on dead nights). But considering how many of them are regulars, your effort is better spent on men who are looking for what you sell. Which is an experience.

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    Default Re: When a customer asks if he will get extras before going pvt are you honest?

    I would've done exactly what you did. I have countless times (my club has rep for being dirty). I don't think its worth the risk to be alone with a man and him potentially get angry or violent because he feels ripped off.

    Personally, I leave the what exactly happens in the CR questions fairly open ended unless he's straight up "are you going to suck my dick?" Hell no sir lol. I generally go with "it'll be the most fun you can have with your pants on" *wink*

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    Default Re: When a customer asks if he will get extras before going pvt are you honest?

    As a retired cop friend of mine said, even suggesting sex without saying it outright to an undercover can get you in trouble.

    Also +1 for you for not lying because as you said the guy can absolutely turn aggressive. I do not lie about my intentions in the back either, and if you've got a gut feeling about the guy you're probably right. I've seen this on occasion where I did not even want to do a regular dance for a customer because their body language comes off as being aggressive.

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    Default Re: When a customer asks if he will get extras before going pvt are you honest?

    I try not to give them a flat no when I'm working in NY because I will totally lose the potential customer. Because the ladies in NY are such sharks and good at getting the customers without necessarily doing extras. But being able to smooth talk the guy into thinking they might get something but not totally lying or scamming the guy. I will try to smooth talk them into thinking it's a possibility but never saying they will get anything so they can't turn it around on me. However, it's easier said than done.

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    Default Re: When a customer asks if he will get extras before going pvt are you honest?

    And Miramichele, it's a shame that you feel unsafe in a club. But there are a few states out there that don't protect their dancers. I have a feeling I know which state you might be in.

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    Default Re: When a customer asks if he will get extras before going pvt are you honest?

    When getting a question of this nature, it is good to dodge the question with another question: "Before I answer your question, I'm curious, what have your VIP experiences at this club been like in the past?"

    If his answer is something like "I've never been here, I just heard on the internet..."

    You can reply with: "really? I heard on the internet last week that Mark Zuckerberg is giving away a million dollars a day to share a status update. I also heard on the internet that a Nigerian Prince is giving away his fortune to one lucky American citizen."

    Once the customer is in agreement with you that you can't always believe what you read on the internet, go back into your sales pitch. Then ask him again to go to VIP, but ask him in his right ear. The right ear is regulated by the left side of the brain and is more open to suggestion than the left ear. There's an extremely good chance he'll say yes to VIP because he feels like an idiot for believing what he read on the internet.

    If he has gotten extras from another girl in the club, first ask why he doesn't just ask her to go to VIP again. If the answer is "She's not here." Maybe say something like "Oh! I was wondering why she got fired! That makes sense, now that you've explained what she was doing back there."

    That should get his attention without ruining the mood. Practice these answers out loud. I always dodge questions about extras. Always. Sure, I am known for giving extras, BUT I'm extremely picky about who I will give extras to. Not every pervert with $100 bill gets a hj. I gotta be into it.

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