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    Hey girls, so I'm used to private party dancing (danced around Aus) and just started dancing in clubs. I've started working in one club, and to me their commish rates are ridiculous... but it's one of the best in the area, as in very classy, good clientèle, very well organised and very relaxed on shifts. So for a £20/$28 dance, I take £6/$8. For a half hour VIP at £190/$275, I got £90/$130. Is this fair to you, or am I getting ripped off? I have no context. A LOT of girls work here and nobody seems to complain about it. The house fees are relatively low ($35 - $55) but yeah. Thoughts?

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    I work at a club where the 1/2 hour VIP is $630 and the dancer only gets $280. I definitely feel like it's a HUGE rip off to the dancers but because I make pretty decent money where I'm at, I chose to ignore the fact the the club is taking so much money (on top of high house fees and high tip outs). You just have to decide if the money you make overall is worth it to you.

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    It depends a lot on your area. In Portland, I hear a lot of the clubs take an average of 20% of your earnings in addition to the house fee and tip out you need to pay to the staff. Another dancer on here was mentioning how her club takes a 50% cut of everything she earns. To me that sounds horrible and completely unacceptable. At face value, I wouldn't want to work in either of those situations. But I'm used to clubs with low-midrange house fees, $10-20 tip out, and then that's it, no percent, and that's the norm for my area. Unfortunately, the norm in those areas was also limited VIP options and $10 floor dances. The numbers given by the 50% girl for what she takes home at the end of the day still amounts to more than I've *ever* walked away with by keeping 100% of my money. It's not the same everywhere -- every region has their own way of doing things. You should definitely shop around at the different clubs in your area and see how they run things. If you find something better, give it a go. If it doesn't work out, you can always go back.

    If most of the clubs in your area have a system like that, then it's just the fact of life for your area. In the South West US, lap dances sell for $10 on average, with a few places selling them for $5 still. Elsewhere in the country, lap dances are $20, and in others still, they're $40. If you're happy with the money you're walking away with, that's the big thing. If you could feasibly and comfortably be making more money elsewhere, go grab it. But if you're making more money now than you were previously for the level of work and effort you put in, it might just be a matter of adjusting your thinking. Instead of getting stoked and counting all the money you have before the club takes their cut, look at each £20 lump sum and rewire your brain to count it as £6. When you count your money, get in the habit of counting six for every twenty, and not even considering the existence of the remaining £14, because unless you walk out one day refusing to pay, that £14 isn't yours, so it doesn't matter. The £6 is, so it does.

    For private party dancing, I imagine you're used to keeping a bigger percentage of your money. Again, it's a matter of looking at your average "shift" in that game, how much effort you put forth, and how much you walked away with. In a similar time span, how does the level of effort you put out now compare, and how much more or less money are you walking away with at the end of the day?

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    Ugh...that sounds ridiculous to me. I don't know if I could stomach that over time. I'd resent the club too much. They're already making money on cover charges and alcohol sales...taking that much of the dancers' money is just plain greedy, especially since the club isn't covering any of the dancers' tax burdens, healthcare costs, etc. ::shudders::

    Part of your decision will probably rely on the mileage of those dances, unless this isn't a sensitive issue for you. If I'm doing an air dance for songs that are cut to 2-3 minutes and making $10/dance, that's a very different situation than doing higher mileage dances for songs that are more like 3-4 minutes each and only making $10. If I'm doing a half hour in a club where the expectation is more that I'll sit and chat and perform some vanilla dancing, I'd be more okay with taking a lower cut than if I'm working in a club where I spend most of the half hour dancing.

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    Thanks for the advice guys! Yeah I totally think like 'well, I had a real quiet night (and it was my first night in the club too so I was figuring out what the hustle was like) and only came home with $230, but in my day job to make that I'd have to work 20 hours. So when I put it in to that perspective, it's fine. But yeah, it's painful looking at what the club takes so I think I'm just gonna stop adding it up in my head in terms of how much I've made for me AND the club. I'll shop around also. The other club I looked at had a really high house fee (about $200) but no commission. But then you were under pressure to make at LEAST your house fee, whereas this club has a thing where you get a free pass for floor fee next time you come if you don't make at least your floor fee back in dances. So I guess it's not TOO bad. It's a low to medium contact club but contact doesn't bother me I'd actually rather grind up on a guys lap than air dance cos I get less out of breath ha ha ha

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    ^I'm curious about the club that has the $200/night house fee.

    Like, where is that money going? If you can see the value for the money, then it could be worth it. Does the club have billboard advertisements all over the city that are helping to bring in new customers constantly (that would help explain the high house fee - billboards can be expensive)? Is the earning potential high? Or, is the club bloated with overpaid and unnecessary staff (VIP hosts, security, cocktail waitresses, house moms/dads, amenities you'll never use, makeup artists you'll never use, valet, guys who hand out paper towels in the bathroom, etc. etc.) who are the recipients of this high house fee? Is the club understaffed and greedily pocketing the $200/girl house fee? Is the single dance price $20 or $40+? If you can cover your house fee after selling four dances and the dances are easy to sell, then that number starts looking more approachable. Or, is the club charging this much because so few girls are willing to work there that they have to charge such high fees?

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    Regarding the $200 house fee club, it might be worth asking if they'll wave the fee for your first day of work. If they don't, at least you have that buffer with the pass they give you in case you don't make it. I'd say it's worth a shot. If nothing else, at least you'll know for sure one way or the other on that club.

    While you're exploring all these clubs, if you feel up to it or otherwise have some free time on your hands, don't be shy about updating the clubs' information in the club reviews section. The information may help the next girl in your situation.

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    It's bad, but not the worst I've seen. At the last Chicagoland club I worked they took 1/3 of dance prices and something like 70% of VIPs/CRs, a $60 (day shift) house fee and $100+ night shift fee, plus tip outs, promotion fees, etc. It was ridiculous. The door was constantly swinging with dancers being hired and quitting because they literally couldn't afford to work there. The only girls making "real" money were prostituting in VIP and getting tipped extra by their regulars.

    So no I don't think that commission is fair unless the club is very busy, it's easy to sell dances and rooms and there aren't any other "hidden fees." Unfortunately a lot of clubs have gotten very greedy and see the dancers as disposable. It sucks.

    There's no way in hell I'd pay a $200 house fee at a new club either unless they wave the first night's fee for new dancers. I did work one night at a club that had a flat fee like that. I think it was $100 but you kept everything else, and set your own dance prices. It definitely wasn't worth it...Thank god they gave me the first night free or I would have been completely ripped off. Most clubs that are set up like that (around here) are trashy with almost no security, and there's obviously tons of extras happening.

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