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    As you might have heard, pop star Kesha is being forced to continue to work under Dr. Luke, despite the fact that he has been raping, sexually assaulting, and mentally/emotionally abusing her for years. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. I can imagine her stress, PTSD, and extreme emotional trauma. She had to sit there in court and listen to the judge strike down her plea to get out of her contract. Someone has created a gofundme to buy her contract out of Sony, so that she can finally be freed from that monster.

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    I hope she's able to get out of her contract, but if it's a matter of money, I can't imagine that she's not able to do it on her own. I don't know how accurate it is, but according to Celebrity Net Worth, Ke$ha is worth $40 million.

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    I can't imagine what she's feeling right now. Apparently she still has to make six more albums with Sony? It's such utter bullshit. I hope other women that have worked with Dr. Luke speak out and support her

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    That's just disgusting, I can't believe that judge.
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    Unpopular opinion alert, but I think there is more to the story that is being disregarded. The fact that Kesha publicly accused him of raping Lady Gaga, and Gaga quickly refuting the claim saying "it's absolutely not true" makes it hard for me to believe her. On top of this, she swore under oath that he did not give her drugs or make any sexual advances on her. Then some years later she is changing the story... how does she expect a judge to disrespect the law by disregarding something she said under oath?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BabyWillow View Post
    Unpopular opinion alert, but I think there is more to the story that is being disregarded. The fact that Kesha publicly accused him of raping Lady Gaga, and Gaga quickly refuting the claim saying "it's absolutely not true" makes it hard for me to believe her. On top of this, she swore under oath that he did not give her drugs or make any sexual advances on her. Then some years later she is changing the story... how does she expect a judge to disrespect the law by disregarding something she said under oath?
    Ok, but why would she need to swear under oath that he didn't harm her? I get the feeling that she was threatened or paid to swear under oath. They probably forced her to deny what happened. And Lady Gaga denying that- that has nothing to do with her case. That is neither here nor there. All I know is, those tears that Kesha cried in the courtroom were real. And I know for a fact that Dr. Luke is a lying, manipulative piece of shit. I think I'd rather put my trust into Kesha rather than Dr. Luke and a multi-billion dollar enterprise that is Sony.

    Furthermore, why would Kesha go through all this stress and lie about something like this? Of course there are going to be people who don't believe her, as usual. Any time a female admits she was raped, this is usually the backlash we hear. People claiming that females "cry rape" all the time. It's disgusting. It's far more likely that this psychotic individual really did sexually abuse her. It happens all the time in the entertainment industry, Hollywood, etc.
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    I don't know, but I'm having trouble separating out the commercial and artistic elements with the alleged rape that she says happened a decade ago. This doesn't help:

    In an email from October of last year circulated by Lepera and said to have been written by Sebert, Kesha’s mother apparently threatens to come forward with the rape allegations and others “in the next few days” unless “Luke releases Kesha from all legal contracts.”

    Further, she doesn't just want away from Dr. Luke, but she wants out of her Sony contract altogether. She has also been complaining for years that Sony and Dr. Luke are stifling her artistic creativity. Sony has offered to put her with another producer but she has been rejecting the offer using the excuse that Sony wouldn't promote her albums as much - which is absurd given their investment in her and their undoubted desire to keep profiting from her efforts.

    Idk what did or did not happen ten years ago, but I'm guessing that it falls somewhere in the middle. But it does make me curious why she was ok when she made a fortune over the subsequent decade while working with him, but only now needs to get away, when she wants more control over her music and no doubt has other recording label suitors ready to give it to her.

    But whatever happened, she certainly doesn't need our financial support if she really wants to buy her way out. Not only is she worth $40 million, but you can bet that she would find plenty others who would gladly bankroll her departure in exchange for a slice of her future earnings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletKitten View Post
    Ok, but why would she need to swear under oath that he didn't harm her? I get the feeling that she was threatened or paid to swear under oath.
    But you can't expect a judge to make legal decisions based on "I get the feeling". The facts are that absolutely nothing has been proven against Luke and letting Kesha out of a perfectly legal and valid contract on accusations alone would set a very very ugly precedent.
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    After hearing Drew Barrymore talk about some of her adventures in Hollywood as a 13 year old....I do believe there is some merit to Kesha's claims.

    But unfortunately the only people who know for sure are this Luke guy and Kesha. I feel terrible for her but I expect her to prank Sony like Prince did to his record label & go from there. There is that option.

    edit to add- the reason I believe Kesha (brutal honesty here) is she HONESTLY is not that good of a commodity musically. The first time I heard "Tik Tok" I thought it was a novelty joke song. There are many many other performers in her field who would have been better choices for her producer to pick. She would be on the losing side of angering her producer & company. If the allegations are false she obviously took some very bad advice. The producer must have done something bad to mess up the sweet deal they all had going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    After hearing Drew Barrymore talk about some of her adventures in Hollywood as a 13 year old....I do believe there is some merit to Kesha's claims.

    But unfortunately the only people who know for sure are this Luke guy and Kesha. I feel terrible for her but I expect her to prank Sony like Prince did to his record label & go from there. There is that option.

    edit to add- the reason I believe Kesha (brutal honesty here) is she HONESTLY is not that good of a commodity musically. The first time I heard "Tik Tok" I thought it was a novelty joke song. There are many many other performers in her field who would have been better choices for her producer to pick. She would be on the losing side of angering her producer & company. If the allegations are false she obviously took some very bad advice. The producer must have some something bad to mess up the sweet deal they all had going on.
    Hell, i believe Kesha too. I just understand there is a big difference between emotionally supporting someone who says they have been raped and taking their words at face value in a court of law without any proof in a case with a financial stake. They were also very clear that she did not have to work with Dr. Luke to fulfill her contract with Sony.
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    Yes. believe it or not, people lie about all sorts of things when money is involved.

    Both sides it would seem to me are pushing negotiations pretty hard, it is after all, just about money

    If Sony will let her use another producer, and she says no,then it isn't all about him.

    What is the buyout number for Sony?

    Why not let her go for a pile of cash and a piece of future?

    I do not like the music biz where you literally cannot work without the record company. Yes, you got a big payday[maybe] but it feels too much like the studio system in hollywood

    People need to be smarter about contracts, somebodies agents and managers are not doing their job

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    I assumed she was gonna cut into his royalties by voiding the contract (as a means of revenge.)

    Hate to say it, much richer guys in Hollywood have been accused of the same things "Luke" is being accused of......

    I would need to know more but obviously it's between the producer, Kesha & all the lawyers at this point.

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    Default Re: Support for Kesha

    Well Luke is still quite a force in Sony, Theres no guarantee he won't still be able to have some control over her within the company or that she will never have to see him again.
    Also, we have 0 clue how much money she has, and I heard her contract was pretty iron clad and it would take millions to get out of it.
    Something that's really struck me though is how she's gotten jack shit in the way of support from male celebs as far as I know...it's not like women are the only ones to be raped, wtf?.

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    ^ They don't wanna get blackballed. Hollywood is infamous for high up men ([gay, straight, rapist, whatever] who hold strong grudges.) LA is a mean place, underneath it all. That's my guess.

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    How about this poor lady, she's in a coma & may never come out..also, they don't know the extent of her brain damage if she does live
    There's a GoFundMe for her as well, I think it's a more worthy cause..but, Good Luck to K$!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    I don't know, but I'm having trouble separating out the commercial and artistic elements with the alleged rape that she says happened a decade ago. This doesn't help:

    In an email from October of last year circulated by Lepera and said to have been written by Sebert, Kesha’s mother apparently threatens to come forward with the rape allegations and others “in the next few days” unless “Luke releases Kesha from all legal contracts.”

    Further, she doesn't just want away from Dr. Luke, but she wants out of her Sony contract altogether. She has also been complaining for years that Sony and Dr. Luke are stifling her artistic creativity. Sony has offered to put her with another producer but she has been rejecting the offer using the excuse that Sony wouldn't promote her albums as much - which is absurd given their investment in her and their undoubted desire to keep profiting from her efforts.

    Idk what did or did not happen ten years ago, but I'm guessing that it falls somewhere in the middle. But it does make me curious why she was ok when she made a fortune over the subsequent decade while working with him, but only now needs to get away, when she wants more control over her music and no doubt has other recording label suitors ready to give it to her.

    But whatever happened, she certainly doesn't need our financial support if she really wants to buy her way out. Not only is she worth $40 million, but you can bet that she would find plenty others who would gladly bankroll her departure in exchange for a slice of her future earnings.


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    Default Re: Support for Kesha

    This thread is just depressing and disappointing as hell now.

    At least she still has people that have her back.

    I just find it strange as hell that she would even need to swear under oath that he never sexually harmed her. Why would she need to do that in the first place? Isn't that strange to you guys? I trust my gut instincts on this one. Stories like this happen far too often. Just another reason to stay far away from the Hollywood machine. It's better to go indie and save your sanity in the process.

    Anyway I didn't want this thread to turn into some debate over whether or not her claims are true. But it is what it is I suppose.

    I can understand why people would be hesitant to help, considering it seems she is rich enough to save herself. But pop stars and their money are usually controlled by other people. So either way, I'm not sure what this gofundme would actually do for her.

    This whole thing is frustrating. I only wish the best for her.
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    Apparently, Kesha is just about flat broke. She's claiming that Dr. Luke is withholding royalty payments and that she has little income. This is from TMZ so...

    http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/02/22...-taylor-swift/

    Dr. Luke runs the Sony subsidiary record label Kemosabe Records and may very well decide if/when she gets paid. Its easy to assume that she's filthy rich but... There are hundreds of stories of celebrities never seeing much money at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whirlerz View Post
    How about this poor lady, she's in a coma & may never come out..also, they don't know the extent of her brain damage if she does live
    There's a GoFundMe for her as well, I think it's a more worthy cause..but, Good Luck to K$!

    https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...coma-by-roomie
    You could probably get her more exposure by starting your own thread for it.

    ......

    I think the entertainment industry is very crooked and that stuff like this happens way more often than anyone would imagine so I have had a feeling that Kesha was telling the truth from the beginning. And I don't think that other artists stepping forth to defend the guy by saying that he never did anything to them doesn't count for shit because 1.) who knows if they're being pressured into covering for him for whatever reasons and 2.) it's not like rapists rape every woman they meet. They do it to who they think the easiest targets will be. Or 3.) since this guy apparently likes to drug chicks, who knows how many women might unknowingly be his victim?
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    Apparently, this was a concern in 2011 and, after reading her deposition about it... I believe her. For reasons that I will never talk about, I believe her.

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    If Kesha is flat broke, then she has squandered millions. The $14 million that her former manager sued her for was just 20% of her estimated earnings for the period 2008 - 2012 (they ended up winning 55% of what they requested). Just last year, she sold a bungalow for $1.8 million and she earns $150-200k for every concert that she does.

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    But since her tiff in 2013 with Dr. Luke over the direction of her music, she went off the rails. So maybe she is broke now, but that is fixable. She just needs to put her big girl pants on and record more of that insipid shit like Tik Tok, whether she likes it or not. She signed the original deal and Dr. Luke held up his end by making her famous and rich (at least at one time).

    I'd buy this whole argument that the alleged rape is the real issue here if she didn't go back to him over and over (and over and over and over) after that, but she did. She wasn't complaining when she was making money hand over fist or before that, when nobody knew her from a hole in the wall. The timing of the accusation was coldly calculated and only came out after she became famous and then didn't get what she wanted, which was her artistic and recording freedom. I have no idea what happened in 2005, but you don't just get to keep a rape allegation in your back pocket, for a solid decade, to use when it is most commercially convenient. You also don't get to use it to smear someone when they don't give you what you want or as a lever to get out of a good contract that made you famous in the first place.
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    [QUOTE=Genoveve;2853660]You could probably get her more exposure by starting your own thread for it.

    ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    I'd buy this whole argument that the alleged rape is the real issue here if she didn't go back to him over and over (and over and over and over) after that, but she did. She wasn't complaining when she was making money hand over fist or before that, when nobody knew her from a hole in the wall. The timing of the accusation was coldly calculated and only came out after she became famous and then didn't get what she wanted, which was her artistic and recording freedom. I have no idea what happened in 2005, but you don't just get to keep a rape allegation in your back pocket, for a solid decade, to use when it is most commercially convenient. You also don't get to use it to smear someone when they don't give you what you want or as a lever to get out of a good contract that made you famous in the first place.
    Maybe she waited to try and stand up against him once she felt like she had some actual power? I mean what chance would she have stood against him as a complete nobody? Or maybe her success caused her to try and rationalize putting up with what he had done to her? A lot of victims don't come forward about what's happened, or even admit to themselves what happened, for years. Takes time to process. I just don't think that because she didn't aggressively legally deal with him as soon as it happened automatically means she must be lying. Abuse can be a very complicated thing.

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    Timing is everything in this life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    Timing is everything in this life.
    Clearly. For example, it is amazing how Kesha was able and willing to work with him during the time when she needed him to gain stardom and a brand, but suddenly felt deeply victimized when the time came where she had more to gain by getting rid of him. But I'll just add that, in this case, circumstances mattered too, since her need to speak out was also tied to whether or not he and Sony would release her from her contract.

    Now did it really happen? Possibly, but we will never really know. But I'm not going to discount the fact that she might be lying either. After all, it's not like she hasn't told tall tales publicly before.

    But even if something did happen, she made her deal with the devil when she failed to stand on principle when it happened and instead continued to use him to chase fame and fortune. After a decade, she doesn't get to play the victim card now and pretend that she is standing on principle, not with the way that all of this went down. I don't buy those crocodile tears for a second, especially after the attempted blackmail in the email sent by her mother. IMHO this whole circus is a slap in the face to real victims, who all too often stay silent not because of a potential payday, but because of shame and fear and, when they do report it, do so out of pain and anger, not because it can be used as a tool for additional financial gain.

    So I'm with others who would rather give my money to a true victim, like that poor girl who got attacked by her roommate, rather than to an opportunist whose level of victimization shifts with whichever way the financial winds blow.

    Anyway, any more and I'll be getting circular, so I'm going to punch out of this thread now.

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