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    I think people that slut shame sucks, including bible thumpers, feminists who slut shame men all the time (because that's what all none sense about sexual objectification and the male gaze is, slut shaming men).

    And someone pulls out that old chestnut of Slut vs. Stud, I'll correct it Fox=Stud, stud does not denote kinknes or promiscuity, it denotes virility and sexual attractiveness as the does the term Fox for women.

    Slut = Pervert, Leecher, Creep, Sexual Deviant, Pig, Womanizer, etc... which why I think men should start taking those words back the way women have taken back slut.

    Now on Slut encouraging. Why don't men get credit for all the slut encouraging we do. I personally have spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on slut encouraging from porn, to strippers, to massage parlour attendants, to erotic authors, to phone sex operators, to who knows what else.

    Porn is a billion dollar industry, so is escorting,and other adult businesses. Men spend hundreds of dollars learning the best techiniques to get a girl to have sex with them.

    On valintines day men spends billions and bend over backwards on slut encouraging.

    In porn being a Slut is something you brag about, with movies like Adriana Chechik The Ultimate Slut for example. Men (and women too), should be celebrated for Slut Encouraging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegaphallic View Post
    Now on Slut encouraging. Why don't men get credit for all the slut encouraging we do. I personally have spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on slut encouraging from porn, to strippers, to massage parlour attendants, to erotic authors, to phone sex operators, to who knows what else.
    Well first off I will say that I don't really understand what you mean because I don't know what 'slut' is supposed to mean, I feel like it means different things to different people. But I mean, if you're bummed about the fact that you aren't praised for spending money on massages and strippers and porn, well the people who provide that kind of entertainment generally aren't praised for it either. I think porn, stripping, massage parlors, phone sex.... are generally considered to be sleazy, if they ever become widely accepted then maybe everyone involved will receive praise for it. ? I don't understand why you desire credit for spending money on strippers? I am not seeking credit for receiving money as a stripper so I don't understand where exactly you are coming from.
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    I can't say I completely understand what you're saying, so I'll just respond with this:

    The opposite of slut shaming is not slut encouragement. The opposite of slut shaming is simply not slut shaming. It is inappropriate to encourage people to be slutty; it is antithetical to being sex-positive. We should encourage people to seek sexual satisfaction that fits their desires, and discourage judging them for their sexuality and sexual behavior, no matter how slutty or not slutty it may be.

    I also don't understand why you feel the need to be thanked by society for fulfilling your sexual desires. You shouldn't be judged for it, but you didn't do anything that deserves praise.
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    If you want praise and gratitude for the things you do then get a girlfriend.

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    Sorry but what are you trying to say, Omegaphallic? You are starting sound like you are one of those red pill guys who believe that evil feminists are after them. You must understand that not all people on this world has a Western madonna/whore complex when it comes to sex and sex work. So, stop thinking that the whole world thinks like a red pill Western guy who has been misinformed does. On by the way, Valentine's day is not about slut encouraging... it comes from many Catholic saints who got burned at the cross for marrying Christians. It was about Courtly love, romance, and marriage. Now, is just about giving gifts to people you hold dear. Anyways, in my family tradition, being a sex worker was not actively encouraged nor praised. Women and men could be sex workers, hold 9 to 5's, or hold religious ranks such as nun or pastor. No one cared because it was either your calling or your job. So that is that

    Quote Originally Posted by Omegaphallic View Post
    I think people that slut shame sucks, including bible thumpers, feminists who slut shame men all the time (because that's what all none sense about sexual objectification and the male gaze is, slut shaming men).

    And someone pulls out that old chestnut of Slut vs. Stud, I'll correct it Fox=Stud, stud does not denote kinknes or promiscuity, it denotes virility and sexual attractiveness as the does the term Fox for women.

    Slut = Pervert, Leecher, Creep, Sexual Deviant, Pig, Womanizer, etc... which why I think men should start taking those words back the way women have taken back slut.

    Now on Slut encouraging. Why don't men get credit for all the slut encouraging we do. I personally have spent hundreds, if not thousands of dollars on slut encouraging from porn, to strippers, to massage parlour attendants, to erotic authors, to phone sex operators, to who knows what else.

    Porn is a billion dollar industry, so is escorting,and other adult businesses. Men spend hundreds of dollars learning the best techiniques to get a girl to have sex with them.

    On valintines day men spends billions and bend over backwards on slut encouraging.

    In porn being a Slut is something you brag about, with movies like Adriana Chechik The Ultimate Slut for example. Men (and women too), should be celebrated for Slut Encouraging.

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    I think it depends on the woman.

    I personally am not a fan of the word slut. Just because so many people mostly men but women too are quick to call any woman who shows any kind of freedom with their sexuality a slut. When men have been acting like sluts since the creation of time yet they get praised and somehow people look the other way regarding male slutiness.

    Perhaps what you are meaning is you are open minded and praise women who are liberal with their sexuality. And thats okay. Im sure there are many women in the sex work/adult industry who would enjoy you and your point of view.

    IDK the term slut is just hard to hear especially coming from a guy (unless its like a spouse or significant other during the heat of passion or something).

    And maybe you have gotten credit for "slut" encouraging / spending money on your xxx activities you just weren't paying attention or aware. Has no one ever told you thank you after you spend money with them? I would always make it a habit to show even basic gratitude to my clients and customers. Also sometimes we should just do things out the kindness of our heart and not expect anything in return.
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    This doesn't make any sense...Like no logical sense whatsoever. Sounds like a veiled insult toward sex workers. FYI: Sex workers aren't "sluts" because "sluts" do it for free. Let me guess...You've "taken the red pill." Here's your gold star. Go argue with feminazis on tumblr or something.

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    Wow, you are all over the place in this post. It's hard to follow what you're saying. I think what your trying to say is people shouldn't be shaming anyone and everyone no matter how someone chooses to make a living should be treated with respect.

    First, yes, slut shaming sucks.

    Second, Fox=Stud does mean sexual attractiveness.

    Third, Slut means different things to different people.

    Forth, thank you for choosing to spend your money on sex workers to fulfill your fantasies. Because of things going on in our lives, we often need flexible schedules. Sex work allows us to make really good money to do the things we need to do like pay bills, support a family, but to us it's just a job.

    Fifth, you don't need to learn any special techniques to get an escort to have sex with you. You just need to be screened and have the money.

    Sixth, Valentine's Day is a day set aside to do something to make your "Significant Other" feel special and loved.

    Seventh, yes, I imagine being a slut in the porn is something to brag about. I don't know Adriana Chechik, she may or may not be "The Ultimate Slut" in real life, but porn is not real life, just fantasy.

    Some people get caught up in the fantasy, but just a friendly reminder, it just a fantasy.

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    Lol... if 'slut encouraging' were a thing it would not be by spending money on sex workers. Also, women who make money off of your horniness are not sluts. You also don't deserve anything for handing over thousands of dollars to these women. What type of credit do you want? Now every John is a hero because he went to a happy ending massage and got a handy? Lol I don't understand this thread.

    Also like she said above.. spending money on valentines day has nothing to do with 'slut encouraging'. For you the holiday might mean spending money on a girl so she sleeps with you and is a 'slut' but most people spend money on Vday so they can show their SO they love them.

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    By credit I mean acknowledgement that many men are willing to encourage and reward women for exploring their sexuality, that many men put alot of effort into such encouragement.

    And the verison of Valentines day is the idealized verison, not the one one that is actually practiced, the one in which men are expected to spend a fortune on things like roses, with a majority of women saying if they're man fails to do so they'll dump him. And in exchange the primary gift of choice from women is a card, and sex. Idea vs
    actual practices.

    And I do know that they're are many perpectives of what counts as a slut. I personally do not intend it as an insult, and in fact many women proudly call themselves sluts now, where as the terms creep, womanizer, pig extra are almost universally insults.

    And yes I'm an MRA, although the red pillers aka the neomuculinists, are a seperate moment, the mixes antifeminism, self improvement, and some PUA stuff together. Its not my thing.

    And I admit my Openning post was abit of a stream of consciousness crazy rant, I couldn't sleep and I had to in work not long after and I was abit out of it at the time. Truth be told I'm not sure how to express my point of view (or points) on this.

    And yes I've become an antifeminist now, although I don't like defining myself by what I'm against, I'm more interested in men's rights primarily.

    I started off as feminist with huge internalized mysandry, then I saw some stuff in the manosphere, was repulsed at first, but that was because I ran into some of the more fantical ones, then started looking deeper and found alot of my nost cherished held beliefs, the ones taught to me by society, about gender relations were complete bullshit, based on lies, half truths, things removed from their contexts, poor methodologies, so on.

    Even then I thought reasonable feminists and MRAs could work together against the elites of society, for equality and liberty for all.

    I tried that with feminists I knew and respected, and who I thought respected me, only to learn they had no interest in equality or working together. This still wasn't enough to turn me off feminism completely.

    I looked deeper into feminism and found it in bed with neoliberalism and general corruption and that's was the last straw.

    I'm still not a zealot, if feel a woman is being truely oppressed I speak up. I was called a white knight by one of the writers for a voice for men for pointing out that young female voters were choosing Bernie Sanders over Hillary likely had more to do with them prefering his policies and disliking her record then it the silly theory he had which is that they saw Bernie Sanders as a sugar daddy.

    As for why post this stuff here, I find you ladies more interesting and intelligent then tumbler feminists.

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    Slut encouragement doesn't exist because it usually takes a turn for the malicious/drama-inducing. The biggest "slut" cocktail waitress I ever knew is now seriously ill from her years of hard narcotic abuse & is a mediocre housewife now. She was a trainwreck with a bad tit job when she was in her "slut" peak so no there's no porn footage of her. I don't mind talking bad about her b/c she ripped me off & caused me some problems. TBH the primary good that came from her slut glory days was a lot of shared STIs.

    I don't have sentimentality about women or feminism because of the way I was raised. But neither do I sentimentalize men.

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    Man I like it when MRAs would actually fight for actual men rights instead of creating pissing matches on the internet. Who Fucking cares.





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    So....My interpretation of your stream of consiousness

    Men encourage women to be sluts and spend money on encouraging them to be sluts and women don't get how much men put into that and its unfair because why am I being ignored by women and why can't I openly be a sexist thats not fair because women can and we spend money on porn in the mistaken belief that it will teach us how to have women like us and all women want is my money and that clear because sex workers get my money and thats not cool and women suck because that's not how this is supposed to work, you aren't that special but why won't you sleep with me you ugly fat bitch I hate you.


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    Women used to be chattel & the values system that caused slut shaming came from that. If you think this concept is atrocious you should read up on all the sick history of marriage traditions, or related customs in non-Western countries. Life is hard.

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    You sound lonely ? one day you will find the right women who will adore you for ecouraging their promiscuous behavior. You can't walk around expecting that people praise you for anything you do. If you believe you're doing the right thing and making the world a better place, do it. To hold grudges against people because they don't care or agree with what you're doing isn't going to get you anywhere.

    There are so many issues that need solving in the world; it blows my mind what some "activists" spend their time thinking about.

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    Women shouldn't be referred to as 'sluts' either way.

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    Both sides of the coin actually annoy me equally lol. Just do whatever you want and care only about your own choices.

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    Religion getting the blame is misdirection. The ideas about what a good and proper women should behave like started in the Elizabenthan era. Almost everything from that period told women how to act, talk, dress, etc. Young women didn't go to college, they went to finishing school. Women didn't read novels, they read books on how to throw the best parties. Women were encouraged to be little more than passive smiling listeners in the presence of men. All of this was the idea that a woman could choose her status in life, by playing a character of sorts to get the attention of a high status man. All that dating advice for men? In this era it was all for women.

    I don't really get your point OP. I think to a degree what feminists are pissed about is that they know that the very men that they want to bark at couldn't care less what they have to say. Being bold and doing what you want is a virtue for men, and women are judged very harshly for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by invibe View Post
    The ideas about what a good and proper women should behave like started in the Elizabenthan era.
    Doesn't this contradict the rest of your post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by audritwo View Post
    Man I like it when MRAs would actually fight for actual men rights instead of creating pissing matches on the internet. Who Fucking cares.
    MRA should be more worried about checking the psycho men, that would go a long way towards Women trusting us more. A lot of Men's problems with women lies not with the normal Men, but with the fucking space-cadets scaring the shit out of everybody! We, as men, need to confront the whack-jobs who make all this shit necessary in the first place! I don't consider there to be a need for Men's Rights Activists, but sometimes the evasiveness from a woman that isn't interested is frustrating, sometimes the signals are mixed... And i think i know why.

    Consider the reason for the mixed signals...

    Some Men are fucking psycho. Sometimes when Women just speak their minds and shut a guy down (really its for his own good, here; why waste time on someone that's not interested?) was MURDERED for it. Here, here, and here. And those are just on the top page google search results (and one on page 2, the most recent one dominates the first page). I consider this to be a massive problem, and i'm not trying to score fucking points, here. (This is why i am dropping f-bombs so much, to negate any points i do score, if any and hopefully not, there's no way to prove this but i'm actually being serious, here, i suppose you'll just have to take my word for it. Whatever that's worth.).

    Men need to be confronting these psychotics, not trying to get them laid. We shut the nuthouse rats down and Women might be more comfortable around us.

    As far as slut shaming or slut encouragement goes, i don't think either is good (or any of my business).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitcatt View Post
    So....My interpretation of your stream of consiousness

    Men encourage women to be sluts and spend money on encouraging them to be sluts and women don't get how much men put into that and its unfair because why am I being ignored by women and why can't I openly be a sexist thats not fair because women can and we spend money on porn in the mistaken belief that it will teach us how to have women like us and all women want is my money and that clear because sex workers get my money and thats not cool and women suck because that's not how this is supposed to work, you aren't that special but why won't you sleep with me you ugly fat bitch I hate you.
    That wasn't what I meant at all!

    All I meant is some men try to reward and encourage female sexuality, via fincially, by celebrating them, and so on, instead of trying to shame it.

    I only offer it as an alternate perpective, I'm not asking for a parade or a statue, its a just perpective on the issue I thought was interesting.

    I've never called any women a fat bitch, that would be mean, and hypocritical as I have weight issues. I don't hate women, I'm not bitter, I've had plenty of wonderful experience with women. I'm reasonable satisfied with how things for me are.

    This wasn't somekind of bitter rant, I viewed this thread as being positive, I had an ephany on things, and wished to share it with the people here.

    And I'm not sexist (although I admitted have dark sexual fantasies, but they do not express my values and beliefs), I stood up in my work place for hiring a female snovel shoveller and because of me she got hired. I've intervened when a man in the motel room beside the one I was in was hitting his girlfriend.

    I've gotten called a White Knight by one of the writers for a voice for men for pointing out that prefering Bernie Sanders record and policies was a more likely reason for young female democractic voters to choose Sanders then seeing him as a Sugar Daddy.

    So while I'm a MRA, I'm not the bitter angry stereotype you seem to think I am. So what ever your "hearing" its a reflection of your own biases, not anything I'm saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    Sorry but what are you trying to say, Omegaphallic? You are starting sound like you are one of those red pill guys who believe that evil feminists are after them. You must understand that not all people on this world has a Western madonna/whore complex when it comes to sex and sex work. So, stop thinking that the whole world thinks like a red pill Western guy who has been misinformed does. On by the way, Valentine's day is not about slut encouraging... it comes from many Catholic saints who got burned at the cross for marrying Christians. It was about Courtly love, romance, and marriage. Now, is just about giving gifts to people you hold dear. Anyways, in my family tradition, being a sex worker was not actively encouraged nor praised. Women and men could be sex workers, hold 9 to 5's, or hold religious ranks such as nun or pastor. No one cared because it was either your calling or your job. So that is that
    That Valentines Day historically, I'm talking about the real world Valentines Day of today, which is a billion dollar industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    Women used to be chattel & the values system that caused slut shaming came from that. If you think this concept is atrocious you should read up on all the sick history of marriage traditions, or related customs in non-Western countries. Life is hard.
    Actually I think the origins of Slut Shaming, both the slut shaming of women and men, have at least 3 sources.

    1. Fear of raising another man's child. The origin arises before things like the pill, abortions, paternities tests.
    2. Fear of STDs
    3. Female and Male Jealously
    4. Power, Feminisms slut shaming of men falls under this category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegaphallic View Post
    I viewed this thread as being positive, I had an ephany on things, and wished to share it with the people here.
    Can you clarify what the epiphany exactly was? A lot of us were confused about what you were even trying to say, I honestly still am.


    Quote Originally Posted by Omegaphallic View Post
    By credit I mean acknowledgement that many men are willing to encourage and reward women for exploring their sexuality, that many men put alot of effort into such encouragement.
    I don't understand this. How are women rewarded for exploring their sexuality? I assume you're talking about within relationships because I've never explored my sexuality in any of my adult jobs, my sex life does not correlate to or overlap with my work. I don't think most adult entertainers consider their work to be their sex life, I think they usually just consider it to be 'work.'

    Quote Originally Posted by Omegaphallic View Post
    And the verison of Valentines day is the idealized verison, not the one one that is actually practiced, the one in which men are expected to spend a fortune on things like roses, with a majority of women saying if they're man fails to do so they'll dump him.
    I don't know any couples that illustrate this, I mean I'm sure it happens but going by my experiences I can't say that I've found it to be anywhere near the norm.
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