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    Women shouldn't be referred to as 'sluts' either way.

    can I get a ruling on 'dirty slut?'

    because I might owe my wife an apology.

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    I also think that just because men spend money on sex workers / people in adult industry doesn't necessarily mean they are slut encouragers.

    There are a lot of men who spend money but then assume that the woman is now his "property" and is entitled to do whatever he wants.

    Spending money on "sluts" (without expecting some sex robot) is just one step towards being pro sex worker.

    Your next mission is to go on the next Slut Walk and meet Amber Rose!
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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    I also think that just because men spend money on sex workers / people in adult industry doesn't necessarily mean they are slut encouragers.

    There are a lot of men who spend money but then assume that the woman is now his "property" and is entitled to do whatever he wants.

    Spending money on "sluts" (without expecting some sex robot) is just one step towards being pro sex worker.

    Your next mission is to go on the next Slut Walk and meet Amber Rose!
    I supported Slut Walks at first, after all saying women don't deserve to be raped because they wear revealing clothes is a no brainer to me. Then I heard some of them talk and the feminist crap and misinformation turned me right off.

    Its ironic, I actually concidered myself a feminist up to a year ago, but finding out you've been lied to time and again and misled with lead to resentment as the truth becomes clear. I feel like one of those people who escaped a brainwashinb cult.

    But I want to make something clear, I support sex workers, but I also support customers as well, just as I support men's rights and women's right, the enviroment (if an very heretical way at this point), but I'm no yes man, which means I tend to piss people off on all side (my way of bringing people together I guess ).

    Too many confuse support with = unquestioning support. I am an ally, not a lackey.

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    ^^You seem to be just a tad bit obsessed with the concept of feminism and men's rights and which you identify with more, and comparing the two constantly. I get it, I went through this phase too, somewhat. Then a lightbulb went off in my head one day....I consider myself a HUMAN rights activist/ supporter. It isn't about women's rights or men's rights or whatever. It's about human rights.

    As far as slut shaming and encouragement and all that....I just don't care. Humans are animals. Some want to fuck everything that moves, and I don't have a problem with that. Others are whorephobic and constantly use their energy and time demeaning others who like to have sex. *yawn*

    I don't see the point of this thread though. Still don't. I just find life is easier if you just stop labeling and categorizing everything all the damn time. I don't label myself feminist or men's rights activist or whatever because I think it's dumb. I support ALL human rights. What's the point of narrowing it down? Just to further divide and conquer?

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    It is impossible for a Man to be a feminist. You can be an ally but that's it. There's just too much a man will never understand. I'm totally against racism, too, but that doesn't make me black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziel View Post
    I'm totally against racism, too, but that doesn't make me black.
    What?? I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume you're white........so when someone says that your being white means that you have a tiny penis, that's not a racist comment? So to be against racism you have to be black? Or, rather, racism is only against blacks? I guess we forgot about Hispanics, Middle Easterners, and Asians, huh? Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScarletKitten View Post
    ^^You seem to be just a tad bit obsessed with the concept of feminism and men's rights and which you identify with more, and comparing the two constantly. I get it, I went through this phase too, somewhat. Then a lightbulb went off in my head one day....I consider myself a HUMAN rights activist/ supporter. It isn't about women's rights or men's rights or whatever. It's about human rights.

    I don't see the point of this thread though. Still don't. I just find life is easier if you just stop labeling and categorizing everything all the damn time. I don't label myself feminist or men's rights activist or whatever because I think it's dumb. I support ALL human rights. What's the point of narrowing it down? Just to further divide and conquer?
    This is what I was thinking. Some people are really obsessed with labels, I just try to be a good person day-to-day and get on with my life. Labels are completely subjective anyway and can mean completely different things to different people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by absolutelyadorable View Post
    What?? I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume you're white........so when someone says that your being white means that you have a tiny penis, that's not a racist comment? So to be against racism you have to be black? Or, rather, racism is only against blacks? I guess we forgot about Hispanics, Middle Easterners, and Asians, huh? Lol.
    You are correct, i am indeed white. I'm not making a point about racism. I'm, making a point about Misogyny, and these goofy Men's Rights Activists. And yeah, i didn't mention anyone else other than Black folks, But i wasn''t trying to forget Hispanics or Japanese folks, they just weren't my point. I just don't think its possible for a Guy to be a true Feminist, because we've never had to deal with the stuff that made Feminism necessary in the first place. I hear about subtle condescension, and i have no idea what women mean by that. Perhaps i used the wrong analogy. I support Femenism, but i don't think i can count myself among them.

    EDIT: I get it. My point was this: I'm against racism, but that doesn't make me black (Or Hispanic, or middle Easters, or Jewish, or Chinese, or anything other than what i am), I'm against Misogyny, but that doesn't make me a woman, and it doesn't make me a feminist, either.. Honestly, thanks for getting me to think this point through.
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    ^^ and what is the difference between a feminist and a true feminist? I haven't suffered most of the horrors many women in the world suffer every day but whether or not one agrees with feminism is an academic issue, not an experiential one. Whether or not one calls themselves a feminist is irrelevant; what matters is how they feel about the issues feminism raises.
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    Woman =/= feminist

    Black =/= anti-systemic racism
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    I just don't think a guy can do it. Ally, sure. But there's a lot of stuff Men just don't get, just because we've never been there.
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    I get your point, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegaphallic View Post
    I supported Slut Walks at first, after all saying women don't deserve to be raped because they wear revealing clothes is a no brainer to me. Then I heard some of them talk and the feminist crap and misinformation turned me right off.

    Its ironic, I actually concidered myself a feminist up to a year ago, but finding out you've been lied to time and again and misled with lead to resentment as the truth becomes clear. I feel like one of those people who escaped a brainwashinb cult.

    But I want to make something clear, I support sex workers, but I also support customers as well, just as I support men's rights and women's right, the enviroment (if an very heretical way at this point), but I'm no yes man, which means I tend to piss people off on all side (my way of bringing people together I guess ).

    Too many confuse support with = unquestioning support. I am an ally, not a lackey.
    It's all good. You're entitled to have your own beliefs and opinions however I think you and a lot of other men out there fail to realize this phenomena called "male privilege". In a mans world, women will never be "equal" so we need as much genuine positive encouragement and empowerment we can get.

    There are also different types of feminism. Just because a couple of ladies were too radical or offensive to you in the past doesn't mean all feminists are the same.
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    See this is why I like being a humanist.





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    1. Porn is not a place to learn about the best ways to have sex or please a woman. Some of them are enjoying themselves and that doesn't always have to do with the physical side of sex so much as it could be a money fetish, the feeling of being famous, a different identity or escape from issues, or a exhibition thing. However with porn being a $$$$$ industry, you can expect that people don't get into doing porn for it to feel good, they do it for the feel good of having ridden themselves of student loans or that nice ass car or a dream home, that cosmetic surgery they wanted, or maybe a gateway into Hollywood like Dita did with stripping or Cameron Diaz in porn. So this has not really anything to do with teaching people about sex, especially safe sex. You could learn more from actually being in porn than watching it because you learn about high end sti testing AND you can afford it. Do you think she really likes doing ATM? I don't and I wouldn't do it unless I was getting serious moolah.

    2. If you're paying for our services then that's what you get, you've gotten your show! Congratulations! Yay you! But at the end of the day we got what we wanted and it was our payment so we can go out and having boring sex if we have a sex drive for it at that time. Sex is super low on our priority list now that we can literally wink an eye. We don't owe you the and AND WAIT THERE'S MORE. You're not paying for our humanity, we aren't your lovers, we are not your purchased property, and we don't owe you shit. Let's take what you've said and make it about a vanilla job. "I purchased from your store over the last few years. Why have you not lowered your prices for me after all i've bought for you?" Male customers in this industry seem to think that they buy our bodies and our autonomy once they get a show but we check out at the end of the day while you go on with the real experience you just had.

    3. Slut shame, I associate the word "slut" with anyone who has numerous encounters with various people. Anyone can be a slut and I don't think that's a bad word. Slut shame happens with men too but it's usually pictured as a woman who sleeps around and so it's specific to a negative conditioned view of sex that we've been taught by our parents or shitty high school sex "education" that promotes abstinence only. We don't owe you slutiness or a thanks to it because it's our work and some of us may be sluts or not outside of work. We owe ourselves thanks for being super sluts though, your money doesn't always encourage natural slutiness.

    4. Slut ENCOURAGEMENT, I don't ask people to be more or less slutty for me and it's up to them. You don't set the standards for slutty because it's subjective. I struggle with supposed "encouragement" when it's actually PRESSURE and EXPECTATION from the STEREOTYPE. Not that stereotypes may not have some truth but it's incomplete truth and that makes it a lie. I fucking hate having sex with new people. It scares me and I will do almost anything to avoid it because I don't like sex, i just don't. I'm that type of person. It doesn't feel good, it's nerve wrecking for me, whatever. BUT I'm also a stripper and that's where people get confused because I'm seen as a super slut who's probably really good in bed. This stereotype of slut "encouragement" is just a way for people to pressure workers to meet a standard that works to the advantage of getting the non-worker laid, oh and then they treat you like how a shitty person would treat a sex worker after, as if we don't have feelings.



    You're fine to share an idea here but you can still be wrong. You're subject to criticism just like everyone else here but you may have some male privilege in your way of seeing what's fishy about your post. It's still seeming as though you think your money has you entitled when it's really just the way a woman-negative culture has raised men to see women. We have identity and it's beyond sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taura View Post
    You're fine to share an idea here but you can still be wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziel View Post
    You are correct, i am indeed white. I'm not making a point about racism. I'm, making a point about Misogyny, and these goofy Men's Rights Activists. And yeah, i didn't mention anyone else other than Black folks, But i wasn''t trying to forget Hispanics or Japanese folks, they just weren't my point. I just don't think its possible for a Guy to be a true Feminist, because we've never had to deal with the stuff that made Feminism necessary in the first place. I hear about subtle condescension, and i have no idea what women mean by that. Perhaps i used the wrong analogy. I support Femenism, but i don't think i can count myself among them.

    EDIT: I get it. My point was this: I'm against racism, but that doesn't make me black (Or Hispanic, or middle Easters, or Jewish, or Chinese, or anything other than what i am), I'm against Misogyny, but that doesn't make me a woman, and it doesn't make me a feminist, either.. Honestly, thanks for getting me to think this point through.
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    A bit of topic... I hate the term "feminist". I hate it so much!! I champion our equality our course, but I hate the word.

    Feminists have caused many movements in history that I don't agree with under the guise of it being "good for women" like prohibition, the outlawing of sex work and abortions.

    And in my own life the women that self identify as feminists are the fakest ones around, always the first to call another woman a slut or criticise her, or use it as a control mechanism with men.

    I prefer humanism, but I know that Most Feminists are probably doing it right and backing other women.

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    A lot of the time, when a guy states he's a feminist: he's selling cars. This doesn't mean anything about anyone's hubby or brother, but in my experience they are usually trying to get in some girls skirt. This has nothing to do with feminism itself. Just the guys shouting from the rooftops. Not everyone, though. I imagine there's some that are on the level.

    Strictly my experiece. The biggest dogs i ever met were either totally pro women (but not really, one guy was the biggest bum you ever heard of, cheating on literally everyone and living on girls couches, gets all pissed off because a guy hit Sarah, then gets in an argument with her and beats her up himself! Then the dipshit has the balls to ask me for a roof. I told him bridges keep the rain off, live under one of those) or totally anti women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegaphallic View Post
    feminists who slut shame men all the time (because that's what all none sense about sexual objectification and the male gaze is, slut shaming men).
    Is your point here that getting shut down for starting at women Is Slut shaming? You My friend are confused. There is nothing non-consensual about being slutty. That's 2 or more people engaging in consensual fun. You staring at women that never asked for it and then making them extremely uncomfortable Is NOT consensual. How do I know your making them uncomfortable?

    Because your getting bitched at. Harrassment isn't fun for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omegaphallic View Post

    Men need to be confronting these psychotics, not trying to get them laid. We shut the nuthouse rats down and Women might be more comfortable around us.

    Seriously!! You want women to be comfortable I dates? You want women to go home from the bar with you? One of my biggest detractors is- will I get raped/hurt/stalked? Will this guy exploit me/use me/push my limits? So I go home alone where I have a sense of safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LilLadyLux View Post
    Seriously!! You want women to be comfortable I dates? You want women to go home from the bar with you? One of my biggest detractors is- will I get raped/hurt/stalked? Will this guy exploit me/use me/push my limits? So I go home alone where I have a sense of safety.

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    Omegaphallic, why is this the hill you want to die on? You can't possibly think you're going to get anywhere. No minds will be changed even if you were curing CANCER. You're not curing cancer, you're arguing with women on their home turf. Frankly, i hope you stay. Not that you're a punching bag or anything, but every Batman needs a Joker. I'll argue with you until doomsday.

    But why are you bothering? You're not going to get anywhere.
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    Oh wow, what a perfect example of the type of customer we like to void, this is called "a nice guy" and they are the most entitled because they think being nice is all they should ever have to do. They don't even have to listen to someone and they think they are nice.

    Such nice. Much nice. Wow.

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