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    Exclamation How do you feel about pole dancing becoming a sport?

    I am an aspiring Stripper. In an attempt to make myself feel like one I began pole dancing classes at the start of this year. When I arrived for my first class I expected to see thighs spilling out of thongs and bums propped up by high heels, but I found yummy-mummy's with honey-coloured highlights and bio-oiled, post-baby stretch marks.



    On the walls were brochures which read 'Pole-dancing has well and truly spilled out of the gentleman's clubs and gone mainstream for all the right reasons. We want to take away the sleazy side of pole dancing.'



    What the instructor seemed to misunderstand was that I wanted to look and feel like a stripper, not like someone doing yoga around a pole.


    It appears as though pole dancing has become infiltrated by middle class mums who seek to erase its cultural origins in erotic dance.


    What do people think about the desexualisation of pole dancing? And the hostility of many people using pole dancing as a sport against strippers?



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    Default Re: How do you feel about pole dancing becoming a sport?

    As someone who pole dances, sometimes competitively as well as cams, there are a few different aspects to this. First off, no class can make you look like a stripper. Some studios do have a sensual dance class or two that you can take, but essentially pole dancing now is more athletic. If you take other forms of dance class, you can learn how to incorporate sexy flows into your routines. The moves are the same in and out of the club, but how you use them makes all the difference.

    Take the class but then watch lots of youtube videos of girls who it in more sexual ways than girls who don't. That's how you'll learn to look more like a stripper when you do dance.

    Personally I think that the desexualisation of it has been a good thing, I have witnessed many a woman overcome severe body issues due to being able to feel confident and sexy doing it. However, that will never compare to the club. Men don't stop going to strip clubs just because their wives can suddenly do a few basic spins around a pole. Being a stripper is so much more than that, so your job is generally safe because of that distinction.

    As for the hostility, I'm not sure what you are asking, are you saying that you feel unfairly judged for doing pole because you are a stripper whereas girls who do it as a sport get glorified? If so, take into account that those two are different things. People judge strippers for dancing around the pole nude. Not because they dance around the pole. Stripping is judged because people attach stigma to any type of sex work. That you will never get rid of.

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    I had no idea pole dancing was becoming "desexualized". That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. The whole premise of stripping is to entice men into spending money. It is about the tease and the beauty of the female figure and there is nothing trashy or wrong about dancing in suggestive ways. To make judgement on strippers is wrong.

    As for making it a sport, pole work can be very athletic and acrobatic and I have seen men excel at it as well. However, there will always be sexual undertones regardless. You cannot control what the viewer is thinking. Ever listen to the running commentary of men who lust after female gymnasts, tennis players and figure skaters? If you are a woman, you get sexualized. It is what it is.

    Pole dancing needs to remain "bad-ass" for the sake of stripping as a career. To let it become an accepted sport would hurt the industry. However, there is no stopping of the trend and stripping may go the way of becoming something else entirely or disappearing completely especially with the advent of virtual reality.

    It sounds like the studio is taking a very judgemental approach to pole dancing in an effort to appeal to as many women as possible. The underlying message being that the majority of women don't enjoy being sexualized and objectified.

    I much prefer the burlesque dancing approach where sexuality is celebrated. If i saw a pole dancing studio like the one the OP described, I would not give them my money.
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    Default Re: How do you feel about pole dancing becoming a sport?

    It just seems to me that there is something very hypocritical about women who are hostile towards strippers attending pole dancing lessons, in my eyes it is cultural appropriation.

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    Default Re: How do you feel about pole dancing becoming a sport?

    So if pole dancing were to become democratised into the mainstream (e.g. kids began to do pole dancing in school) then this would normalise it to the extent that it was no longer erotic, subsequently harming the careers of strippers?

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    Annielord, LOL, can you imagine if pole dancing became a thing for little girls? Those same housewives taking up pole dancing would die of heart attacks.

    Yes, it would still hurt brick and mortar strip clubs because men will create whatever fantasies they want with VR. Stripping will go the way of adult video retail shops. It is still OK right now because a true VR set up is a bit costly to set up but Google cardboard only costs $20 and all you need is a cell phone.

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    Default Re: How do you feel about pole dancing becoming a sport?

    One thing I find significant is that pole dancing studios and strip clubs both engender female friendly environments. When I have attended strip clubs in the past men (especially bouncers) have been very polite, and at pole dancing lessons women are unbelievably supportive of one another: They are there to laugh with you when you fall off the pole, to cheer when you finally master a spin and hold you up when you’re scared of falling.

    Do you think there is something significant about the pole which empowers women? Perhaps it’s phallic shape or the strength and bravery that it takes to master it?

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    Default Re: How do you feel about pole dancing becoming a sport?

    Little kids do do acrobatic pole dancing. The world champion is a little girl who is 12. But they treat it as gymnastic exercise rather than anything sexual. Watch Youtube, as I said. Educate yourself as to the different styles. The Australian women tend to be very sexual in their movements, the Russians very gymnastic, the Americans a mixture of the two. Every nation does it a bit differently, but all those have thriving stripper populations.

    Strippers and the sex industry will never be harmed by normal people taking a dance class, as I also said, simply because men seek naked, one on one time with women at strip clubs. The pole is an incidental way to show off, but does not distract from the real reason that people go there.

    Pole empowers women because you view your body differently once you get good. You see yourself, wearing very little, but doing these crazy things and it changes the way you view your body a lot. You go from self hate to self love because you can do things not many other people can do. Most women are trained to hate how they look naked or in underwear or in less than full clothing. With pole, you gradually learn to love how you look in a sport's bra and hotpants which for some is huge.

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    I guess what we are really debating here is how pole dancing is interpreted and perceived.

    A little girl pole dancing, (regardless of how it is being done), will be perceived by a straight male in a very different way then a her own mother who believes her little girl is performing asexually. Not that we should always be aware of the male gaze in everything we do however, those thoughts can't be controlled. No one can tell people how to think.

    I am all for pole dancing in all forms, I am just saying you cannot make people believe they are not seeing something sexual. And even if they do, there is nothing inherently wrong with it anyway. Yes, even if the pedophile watches. Can't arrest them for their thoughts, and for just watching a video on Youtube.

    Any physical activity whether it is pole dancing, yoga, martial arts etc. will have a positive effect on body perception and image eventually. I don't think being physical is the be all and end all of self confidence...that comes from somewhere else, but, physical mastery can certainly take you on a beautiful path.
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    I go back and forth and this. As a retired stripper and mostly having worked in black clubs in Atlanta, I witnessed the BEST sexiest pole dancers and booty shakers I have EVER seen. Bringing it out of da club ...I don't like it. To each his own. But a girl who takes a pole dance class can not hold a candle to a girl who pole dances as a stripper. (that's my opinion please don't be mad) The stripper does it along with 8 to 12 hours of hustling dances in 5 inch heels, from men in a smoke and alcohol filled strip club. It's a different animal all together. It's a sexy dance no matter what though. I can't see it as unsexy even if you wear clothes from head to toe while doing it. I do suggest dumping the class and becoming friends with the strippers you work with who are master pole dancers and learn from them. I'm a big girl 5'11" 150lbs so pole dancing was out of the question for me. However with my bodacious booty, I learned to Twerk (before it was ever called twerking) in the locker room of Magic City around 1990. The stripper is the best teacher, but I'm biased. ;-) Take my word for it, after a short time stripping, you'll learn all the moves. You don't need to spend money on a class. LOL now I'm one of those mommy's with stretch marks, cellulite and oil twerking my ass for tokens.

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    If you are in any form of adult industry and want to compete in most pole competitions, you can't. They want to distance themselves so much from the stigma that it's discriminative. Their little sport would be nothing if it wasn't for those dirty strippers. Bunch of prudes.

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    Default Re: How do you feel about pole dancing becoming a sport?

    I used to have pole dancing lessons in Bradford and my instructor was hilarious, she said stuff like ‘watch your beef curtains, the other day I slipped down the pole and stretched one of my lips so that now it dangles down past the other one’. Does this sort of female body acceptance translate into the strip club where there are lots of men around and you are putting on a hypersexualised performance?

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    Desexualization of pole dancing ----- hmmmm good way to describe it.

    I think anytime majority of women do anything related to sex industry they instantly want to 'desexualize' it because they don't want to be linked to prostitution. Seems like camming, stripping, phone sex, etc. most people automatically assume is prostitution. So pole dancing (since strippers pole dance and people think strippers are prositutes) could be lumped in there. Laws in conservative areas are strict on what is considered prostitution. Hell, you could irish jig fully clothed around a stripper pole and someone somewhere would call it x rated or link to prostitution.

    Also you could have simply walked into a pole dance class with instructors who have no clue how to really pole dance. They prob just saw some youtube videos, set up a studio, and started charging money for 'classes'. And they don't want to be judged by a bunch of uptight conservative women as a means to sell their classes.

    I mean if you really think about it yoga can be sexual. I hate being in a yoga class, stretching and whatnot and doing downward facing dog and dudes slick in the back row looking at ass and camel prints. Like dudes shouldn't even be in there and if they're looking at my ass I want to charge money for this view. lol!

    But yeah if I want to learn real sexy entice my man pole dance Im going to learn from strippers or women that dance like strippers, If I want to learn standard sport pole then Id learn from the stiff housewives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hyori View Post
    Annielord, LOL, can you imagine if pole dancing became a thing for little girls? Those same housewives taking up pole dancing would die of heart attacks.

    Yes, it would still hurt brick and mortar strip clubs because men will create whatever fantasies they want with VR. Stripping will go the way of adult video retail shops. It is still OK right now because a true VR set up is a bit costly to set up but Google cardboard only costs $20 and all you need is a cell phone.

    If anything, stripping may have to evolve into something more like escorting to survive a little longer.
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    Default Re: How do you feel about pole dancing becoming a sport?

    Recently the hashtag #NotAStripper became popular amongst pole dancers, how do you feel about this? It seems like these pole dancing academy's dehumanize sex workers.

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    ^^^It's not cool. They're doing the exact same thing. Only difference is men and who ever give them prize money on the back end instead of money tossed on the stage. Still profiting from same dance moves.

    Copy the same dance moves from the strippers but not only don't give their original source the credit. wtf

    They are hypocrites and slick plagiarizers.
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    ^^I would create another hashtag in response to that...maybe #NotACopycat or #NotASelfRighteousHypocrite....or #RespectItsOriginsBitch, LOL!! That is SO disrespectful!! Like get off your high horse, if it weren't for strip clubs, your "sport" would not exist. Pole dancing is an ART, that is how it began before becoming a "sport". It is meant to be sensual and beautiful and if you take away that aspect of it, it becomes robotic looking and unappealing. Anyone who views it as "sleazy" is just immature and needs to stick to doing basic fitness!

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    In my opinion, if you're opposed to strippers and think what they do is degrading and undignified, don't try to claim something invented by and for strippers for yourself? Disgusting for people who don't work in any part of the sex industry to look down on us, then make a watered-down copy of stripper stuff to make themselves look cool and edgy.

    Like they honestly don't think what we do takes any kind of talent or hard work or has any kind of redeeming value. It's not as if contemporary pole dancing existed in some kind of pure state before the dirty strippers took it and made it filthy by association. They're doing a stripper thing and still going "ewww, strippers!!!"

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    Hey man!! I loved stripping and I'm proud to say I was a stripper for over 7 years. LOL I danced so many 12 hour shifts, that my feet hurt when I WASN'T wearing heels. Those were some of the best years of my life, and one thing I would do differently? I would have started stripping at 18, saved that cash and would now be living in fat city. I wish I had started younger, I enjoyed it so much and hated to retire. Sitting down with the guys, making friends with the girls I worked with. Good times.
    You know what though? I'm really forgiving when I hear stuff like that #notastripper I mean, I had, and most people have, preconceived notions about things in life they have no idea about. I did too, until I walked into a strip club and then worked in one. It's really a fun entertaining sexy place to work. Not near what I THOUGHT it would be, or worried it was. So I chalk it up to simply those who don't know.

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    Pole dancing is sexy no matter what. ;-) in clothes or out of clothes, in da club or out of da club, and any girl who can do it, should wear a garter and get paid. That shit is hard to do. ;-)

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    "On the walls were brochures which read 'Pole-dancing has well and truly spilled out of the gentleman's clubs and gone mainstream for all the right reasons. We want to take away the sleazy side of pole dancing.' "


    ^ it's no fun without the sleaze. heh.

    If they want to twirl around a pole and flip their hair wearing 2 in. heels more power to them, but they can kiss my ass bc WE were the inspiration. It's fine if they want to "clean it up" a little bit, but wtf, posts on walls like that just make you look like you wished you had stripped but missed your chance/chickened out. And now you're bitter.
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    IMO, I don't think it can be desexualized. Men are always gonna have those thoughts. They look at the pole as their penis. And some pole moves, legs are spread open or wrapped around the pole. They are kidding themselves to think it's not sexual. Ummm.

    Anyway, I think it's fkn dumb that they think it's just a sport. No matter what, it's always going to look sexy and put thoughts into men's heads. Get the fuck over it. Plus, it'll never prevent a man from going to a SC if he wants to. Customers don't care for pole tricks. They wanna see my tits and ass.

    If these women wanna be "sexy", these women need to change their bitter judgemental prissy attitudes. They need to focus on their confidence and stop worrying about other ppl. Pole tricks is not gonna change that. Being "sexy" is an attitude first of all, not a talent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annielord View Post
    So if pole dancing were to become democratised into the mainstream (e.g. kids began to do pole dancing in school) then this would normalise it to the extent that it was no longer erotic, subsequently harming the careers of strippers?

    Nope! It's not going to harm strippers, bc men could care a flying fuck about pole tricks. Believe it or not. They're for the skin.

    Pole tricks, IMO is more "girl hot". For men in a SC it's, "tight body".

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlenaRoza View Post
    "On the walls were brochures which read 'Pole-dancing has well and truly spilled out of the gentleman's clubs and gone mainstream for all the right reasons. We want to take away the sleazy side of pole dancing.' "
    Wow, this irks me so much. It's such an insult to those who busted their ass and sweat doing our type of work, yet they wanna rob from us while judging us.

    Dumb stupid cunts. They make no sense. INSECURITY at it's finest.

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    Annielord, are you writing a paper of some sort and here to get inspiration?

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