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    Has anyone worked out of a profit sharing system with another established domme? Something that makes it worthwhile for both of us and not just splitting the session money in half?

    I work mostly independent as a pro domme but a lot of girls I've made friends with work under a very established domme. She must be around 45 and has a massive clientele from 25 years in business. So much so that she is training a bunch of dommes. With the sessions they get through her, I believe they make about 50% profit. I can't justify handing over that much of potential money to someone when I could just pay $75 and rent time at the dungeon instead with my own clients. When I do rentals, I have the client figure it out and pay so it's actually $0 for me.

    I could be making much more money but would be more exhausted with a heavy volume of clients if I worked under this Domme. I charge more than her per hour and don't want to lower the rate. She likes being very busy and my schedule is limited which justifies the price. The problem is she has had her set rate for a long time, so I feel mildly uncomfortable asking if we can charge more for an overall higher profit.

    I need to brainstorm. I'm trying to think of ways to make it worth it for both of us. Profit sharing? It's a great networking opportunity and she would teach me things like advanced medical play, but I still can't justify the payout unless we worked something out.

    Is it rude to ask her to charge more with sessions we do together? I have a lot of benefits to add, but I don't want to impose that I'm a special snowflake compared to the other dommes she works with.

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    Raise your rate to cover the cost to be with her.
    Let the client absorb the extra and you both make what is rightfully yours.
    Bring your A game and utilise the opportunity xx

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    I'm confused, does she take 50% when she participates in the session (charging a higher doubles rate, of course) or does she take 50% for just recommending you to one of her clients without participating?

    ... Or does she charge her individual rate to the client and bring in a trainee, splitting the money 50/50 afterward?

    If it's one of the latter two scenarios, working with her will need to give you access to many clients if it's to be worthwhile. If you're taking a 50% pay cut here (more I guess, if you normally charge more than her rate and keep 100% of it) then you should be able to count on making up the money either through having twice your usual number of sessions now (not sure how feasible as you say your schedule is limited) or by developing good regulars who will stick with you after you and this domme have parted ways and you go back to charging and keeping 100% of your rate, eventually paying you the $$$$ you will initially lose during your partnership with her.

    You should project how much you estimate you will earn over a several-month period if you stay completely indy and then project how much you will earn over the same period by working with her. How much $$$$ do you lose? How many sessions would it take later on to make up this $$$$? You should be confident that you can make up this $$$$ eventually for a break-even. Some risk of loss may be acceptable, but only if the potential for reward (much more $$$$$ than you would see otherwise) is great.

    You should be reasonably certain that you will see at least some reward from working with her in the form of gaining more clients and total $$$$ for yourself.

    Given these calculations, are you willing to work with her at her current rate if she insists on it? If not, what is the lowest you will accept?

    What is the highest rate that you would prefer to charge and think the market will bear?

    I would recommend that you anchor at your highest rate and negotiate down from there. If you determine that you cannot work with her at her current rate, then you can go negotiate with her knowing that you have nothing to lose!

    You may be able to sweeten the deal a bit by offering to pay for a joint photo shoot or promo ad.

    No matter what, keep your advertising up on Eros and make sure that everyone you meet through her knows where to find you. Get sessions through her for several months and then go back to being fully indy.

    Edit: Regarding profit sharing, the split with her will always have to be 50/50, since she's the experienced domme. She'll make more money if you guys charge more.
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    Let me explain better. I already make my target income goal solo and don't have a lot of time to dedicate to pro domme. She is highly experienced with more clientele since domming has been her only focus for 25 years. She is full of clients and knowledge. Her knowledge is hands on and mine is mostly verbal and psychological. My knowledge comes from 6 years domming on the internet. I have since retired from internet work because I am currently pursuing a career in medicine and domming in person is more lucrative. I was kind of over how boring and unsteady it was too.

    Because she has so many clients, she needs girls to do sessions with them where she takes half. She will train you with whatever you want to learn and provide a large, well-equipped dungeon for that 50%. My problem is, I feel like her rates are too low to justify only making 50% off a rate that is already lower than mine. I just don't know how to politely ask if we can double the rate at least because I feel like she won't want to work with me at all if I ask since she's working with plenty of other beautiful girls who accept making 50% of her rate. I don't want to seem like a problem domme and have her brush me off because I would still accept 50% of her rate just for the knowledge base and networking alone. But I feel like we could easily both be making more money and I guess I have a hustler mentality.

    How can I ethically bring this up without being off putting? Money is not a concern for her because she has a huge roster of clients and probably brings in 4 figures each day she works if she works enough. Since money isn't a concern for her, I feel like it would be off putting. She has findom guys who have bought her things like cars so she is doing everyone who works with her a favor given the clientele she has.

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    They are her clients, not my clients. She wants dommes to take over some of her clients while she focuses on very important family matters. That is my understanding. So I feel weird controlling the amount we charge because they aren't my clients. But I feel like she charges really low compared to what I successfully charge and I don't want to short myself of what I could be making. I'd be charging about half my hourly pro domme rate, and only making 50% of that. So I'm basically making 25% of what I normally charge but the trade off is networking and learning lots of advanced skills. Worth it either way, but I guess I'm greedy?

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    Ok, I see. Thanks for clarifying. I would recommend that you go interview with her, knock it out of the park, compliment her knowledge as you have here, and then bring up your proposition at the end. Frame it as a business experiment and tell her that you'll be happy to pay for a joint photoshoot and/or online ad to highlight why you're both worth the higher rate together. Her objection will be along the lines of thinking that the clients won't go for it, so tell her that you'll do everything you can to market it to them and if it fails, it will impact only you and not her.

    You won't seem off-putting if you build rapport with her first and pay homage to her talents. Make sure to say that you are looking for a higher rate because of your limited availability, you don't want it to seem to her like the younger domme thinks that she's worth more per hour than the older one.

    By the way, she's not taking on all these young, beautiful dommes as a favor. They are all helping her keep her practice fresh and youthful. Also, it's better for her that they work under her and she takes 50% of their money than that they all strike out on their own, capturing some of her client base and giving her no money in return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigershoes View Post
    Ok, I see. Thanks for clarifying. I would recommend that you go interview with her, knock it out of the park, compliment her knowledge as you have here, and then bring up your proposition at the end. Frame it as a business experiment and tell her that you'll be happy to pay for a joint photoshoot and/or online ad to highlight why you're both worth the higher rate together. Her objection will be along the lines of thinking that the clients won't go for it, so tell her that you'll do everything you can to market it to them and if it fails, it will impact only you and not her.

    You won't seem off-putting if you build rapport with her first and pay homage to her talents. Make sure to say that you are looking for a higher rate because of your limited availability, you don't want it to seem to her like the younger domme thinks that she's worth more per hour than the older one.

    By the way, she's not taking on all these young, beautiful dommes as a favor. They are all helping her keep her practice fresh and youthful. Also, it's better for her that they work under her and she takes 50% of their money than that they all strike out on their own, capturing some of her client base and giving her no money in return.
    I definitely have to plan out what I'm going to say to her. I think a one page business plan may even be helpful. Yeah she's having major family issues and the dungeon she own will still profit 50% so she won't have to work as much? That's my guess. I need to make a list on why I'd be an asset at that pay range. I may as well just do all the marketing because I don't show face and that's a hassle for her if she were to advertise. She offered that option so I know it's not impossible, but I must be a hassle if she ever markets doubles with girls (or herself) that do show face.

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    I should do this all in person right? I was thinking about emailing it all laid out so it isn't too much for her to take in at once, but I feel like the email itself could be too overwhelming? Right now the plan is to write a business plan and roughly explain it in person but leave behind a copy of the plan. I feel like I'm overthinking it, but I don't think I am.

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    I normally would say you're overthinking it, as what you suggest really has few downsides for her. However, long-time pro dommes can be VERY set in their ways!

    Your business plan, I think, should basically be a marketing plan. It would be better if you already had the pieces in place and the plan was more like a checklist of things you currently do.

    - Professional website. Weebly is easy to use.

    - Great, professional domme photos.

    - Social media presence. Avoid Facebook, use Twitter and Instagram.

    You don't need to convince her that you're worth $X/hour, you need to convince her that you can convince guys of this through your marketing. Check out other dommes' sites and social media pages to see what you might like to copy and tweak, and also what doesn't work. From what I have seen, the successful ones are constantly updating with new posts and photos. They also have kickass photos and bios. They play up their skills - for you, verbal and psychological.

    Frankly it's a ton of work to do all this and might not be worth it for a side hobby. If you're not relying on this income, you can maybe half-ass it a bit (just not with the pictures, never with the pictures) and see if she'll agree to the higher rate anyway.

    You know, it sounds to me like she is transitioning to retirement and plans to become a dungeon owner & operator, maintaining facilities and training young women who will do the domme work. More power to her as this is a great way for a domme to maintain income as she gets older. This may make her less likely to consider your proposition though, as the young dommes will become 100% of the income instead of being a side line, and she may not want to mess up what already works.

    Edit: Oh yes, you should do this in person. I'm guessing she will have an interview process.

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    I wouldn't call it a hobby or a side gig, just not something I can devote my full focus on with school and hospital stuff. I don't really see a need for social media because it doesn't correlate with income earnings. I learned that pretty quickly as a cam girl. Some of the most successful ones had no social media and some of the most mediocre earners had large social media followings. Even now I don't use social media for domme work and I still get clients without trouble. I feel like social media attracts time wasters. Spenders know where to find you for domme bookings.

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    The social media, etc. would be for the sake of getting this domme on board with your rate, not necessarily to attract clients - it might differentiate you from the other dommes she has and make you look more established.

    You might be able to convince her with just a site and ads, though, or whatever you do for marketing right now. Since you're not a full-time domme who needs the money, just put in as much effort as you would like to and see if she bites.

    Edit: Oh yeah, and play up the fact that you already do domme sessions and have succeeded at your rate. Most of the dommes who work for her are probably total newbs, or have maybe done a couple of amateurish sessions off Craigslist, so your experience will set you apart both for her and for the clients she'll lead you to.

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    The other dommes are mostly all new to domming. Many are very beautiful girls though. I'm not new which is why I could either rent it for $75/h which is the going rate for hourly dungeon rentals here, or split 50/50 with her clients. I want to cross-network so I wanted to do the split but it's so low omg.

    I think I would actually do better remaining this mysterious entity. Face blurred, no real online domme presence, and just being word of mouth and ad only. Ads seem to be working fine as it is. Same with forum exposure. I pretty much want to remain UTR with domme now that I'm in the medicine world. I know other girls who are nurses and do burlesque or domme, and it's not a problem because neither are illegal or have indecent exposure. I still feel better off keeping it anonymous and separate.

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    Ok, then I guess you keep your marketing as is and just pitch her at the end of your interview, citing your experience as the selling point.

    $75/hour? Aren't you in LA? Check out Dungeon East and Dungeon West, and also The Decameron. Beautiful spaces, a little better priced which adds up over time.

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    Hey Velveteen.Rabbit,
    I had few questions about your post. Are you also renting out a space from her? In addition, are you allow to set your own prices? Because it sounds like you could just rent a space for 75 dollars.


    Quote Originally Posted by Velveteen.Rabbit View Post
    Has anyone worked out of a profit sharing system with another established domme? Something that makes it worthwhile for both of us and not just splitting the session money in half?

    I work mostly independent as a pro domme but a lot of girls I've made friends with work under a very established domme. She must be around 45 and has a massive clientele from 25 years in business. So much so that she is training a bunch of dommes. With the sessions they get through her, I believe they make about 50% profit. I can't justify handing over that much of potential money to someone when I could just pay $75 and rent time at the dungeon instead with my own clients. When I do rentals, I have the client figure it out and pay so it's actually $0 for me.

    I could be making much more money but would be more exhausted with a heavy volume of clients if I worked under this Domme. I charge more than her per hour and don't want to lower the rate. She likes being very busy and my schedule is limited which justifies the price. The problem is she has had her set rate for a long time, so I feel mildly uncomfortable asking if we can charge more for an overall higher profit.

    I need to brainstorm. I'm trying to think of ways to make it worth it for both of us. Profit sharing? It's a great networking opportunity and she would teach me things like advanced medical play, but I still can't justify the payout unless we worked something out.

    Is it rude to ask her to charge more with sessions we do together? I have a lot of benefits to add, but I don't want to impose that I'm a special snowflake compared to the other dommes she works with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tigershoes View Post
    Ok, then I guess you keep your marketing as is and just pitch her at the end of your interview, citing your experience as the selling point.

    $75/hour? Aren't you in LA? Check out Dungeon East and Dungeon West, and also The Decameron. Beautiful spaces, a little better priced which adds up over time.
    Oh I know those dungeons yes. Every dungeon here is in the 60-85/h range to rent. The average being 75. Their home rates are always so low in every dungeon! 200-250/h and then keeping half. Wtffff. But yah indy you make your own rates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonaDiabla View Post
    Hey Velveteen.Rabbit,
    I had few questions about your post. Are you also renting out a space from her? In addition, are you allow to set your own prices? Because it sounds like you could just rent a space for 75 dollars.
    I don't rent space from her yet. I rent a different one. I could rent space from her and charge my own prices yes, but I'm trying to network with her and her clientele. I did that at least 20 times while camming with different girls and it was very beneficial. She gave me the option to rent her dungeon anytime already for hourly. I don't think that is very networky though.

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    Which one is $85? That seems crazy high to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tigershoes View Post
    Which one is $85? That seems crazy high to me.
    There's a plethora of dungeons here. Too many! A lot of them don't even have names, they are just converted apartments or warehouses that dommes end up listing when they're not using them. It's the same for music venues here too. Everything is something weird (art gallery, fashion showroom, something!) by day and then something else by night. Lots of mixed use spaces that are rented out, that's just how LA is. Girls will often rent out their private dungeons that have no name.

    The smaller ones charge more and the more commercial ones charge less because they want to give you an incentive to be an exclusive partner or a house girl. I pay $75 for the one I typically work out of when needed. I don't mind paying a little more because I value anonymity and I usually make the client pay for it anyway haha.

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