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    Default So i'm watching "Making a Murderer" on Netflix.

    Where is the evidence that this guy didn't do it. I'm failing to see anything that makes me think he didn't do it. Yeah, they kind of strong-armed the stupid kid, but Avery could have done that, too. This lady's BONES were found in his firepit. Someone snuck onto this guy's land and burned a body and no-one noticed that? Teeth were identified.

    What i think happened, is that he wasn't guilty the first time; but bitterness at his false rape conviction during the time he spent in Prison turned him into a monster. He talked to another inmate about Torture Chambers; for god's sake.

    This lady's BONES were found in his firepit. WTF is with this "controversial" documentary series?
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    Default Re: So i'm watching "Making a Murderer" on Netflix.

    I watched it a while back but from what I remember I think they were saying that the burn site wasn't the fire pit it was a quarry not too far away and that someone then planted the bones and such in his fire pit. Not sure if I'm remembering right though.

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    Default Re: So i'm watching "Making a Murderer" on Netflix.

    The series is def very one-sided. There is a lot of info on him that is left out and it is clearly biased in his favour...the viewer is left (almost?) rooting for him because of the first miscarriage of justice and because of how inept the police and his own original lawyer in the Halbach case were.
    However, I personally don't think that men with a history of sexual violence ever stop, and I do believe he was capable of the murder(still don't know if he did it, and can't make sense of how it all happened).

    Anyway, the way the investigation and trial was conducted was so flawed there's no way a jury should be able find him guilty.
    The way they used Brendan was disgusting. Those parts were hard to watch.

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    Default Re: So i'm watching "Making a Murderer" on Netflix.

    >>Where is the evidence that this guy didn't do it<<

    Where is the evidence you didn't do it?
    Or I didn't do it

    the point is when you let corrupt individuals get involved in an investigation, you do not know what happened

    <<I personally don't think that men with a history of sexual violence ever stop<<

    what was his history of sexual violence? Maybe I missed something


    It seems obvious that someone on that property killed that woman, maybe him, but how do we tell now?

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    Default Re: So i'm watching "Making a Murderer" on Netflix.

    Idk, but..
    I've read a lot of true crime, there almost always seems to be a lot of history of them doing this stuff w/o getting caught, evidence messed up/missing etc.
    I read a horrible article, it's haunting me now, 30 yr cold case just solved a 14 yr old girl raped & murdered in a stairwell
    A teacher saw this guy following her, but didn't say/do anything cause she thought they knew ea other?? Right.
    He was sentenced to life, cause he confessed, he should've gotten a death sentence which actually would've been too good for him.
    He cried & said he was sorry blamed it on drugs, only was sorry cause he got caught. he said she cried for her mom, but didn't want the mother to know that, it wd upset her? How considerate of him. Disgusting, fucking pig. He also had a history of sex crime.
    Where I used to live, I wd watch over a young girl when I was around, hers & other parents let her play in an open field, adjacent to both a busy street & a an access road where trucks came & went. It was dangerous besides that, cause there was a rock pile by there too.
    It makes me want to carry two guns & learn self defense.


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    Default Re: So i'm watching "Making a Murderer" on Netflix.

    Uggghhhh people at my last club would NOT stop taking about this "Making A Murderer"......Anyways I know wrongful convictions happen but this (IMO) was not one of them. This guy is bad news.

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    Default Re: So i'm watching "Making a Murderer" on Netflix.

    Quote Originally Posted by oldster View Post
    >>Where is the evidence that this guy didn't do it<<

    Where is the evidence you didn't do it?
    Or I didn't do it

    the point is when you let corrupt individuals get involved in an investigation, you do not know what happened

    <<I personally don't think that men with a history of sexual violence ever stop<<

    what was his history of sexual violence? Maybe I missed something


    It seems obvious that someone on that property killed that woman, maybe him, but how do we tell now?
    Oh get outta here. How do we tell anyone did anything? Why do we even need a system of laws. All this dipshit show tells me is they need to houseclean the Wisconsin criminal justice system, not that this guy's an innocent man. Just because the law there is corrupt doesn't make this guy innocent.

    Avery's DNA was found in her car, and not blood either: Sweat. I can understand not trusting the man (Down with the government, and all that noise), but how does this dude sweat in her car and not have contact with her. The cops are carrying around vials of his SWEAT to plant?
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    Default Re: So i'm watching "Making a Murderer" on Netflix.

    I think that cop calling in to ask about the car the missing woman was driving was the biggest proof that they had something to do with it. The cop called in saying like 'it's ___ model and ___ license plate, right?' as if he was standing there looking at it..before the car was even supposedly found. And with the huge lawsuit Avery was hitting them with gives them all the reason for wanting to put Avery in prison for life. When I watched it I always thought the roommate and brother or whatever guy that was they were interviewing had something to do with it. They kept referring to her in the past tense while still searching for her as if they already knew she was dead. I think it's plausible that the cops found out a woman was murdered and took advantage of that opportunity to frame Avery.

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    Default Re: So i'm watching "Making a Murderer" on Netflix.

    Quote Originally Posted by Raziel View Post
    Oh get outta here. How do we tell anyone did anything? Why do we even need a system of laws. All this dipshit show tells me is they need to houseclean the Wisconsin criminal justice system, not that this guy's an innocent man. Just because the law there is corrupt doesn't make this guy innocent.

    Avery's DNA was found in her car, and not blood either: Sweat. I can understand not trusting the man (Down with the government, and all that noise), but how does this dude sweat in her car and not have contact with her. The cops are carrying around vials of his SWEAT to plant?
    My point is that one does not have to prove one did not do something. It is the systems responsibility to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person is guilty. Your statement 'where is the evidence the guy didn't do it' is at odds with that.

    When officers previously involved in falsely convicting him are involved it calls into question a lot of evidence.

    I am not convinced he is innocent.
    I am convinced there is a problem

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    Default Re: So i'm watching "Making a Murderer" on Netflix.

    Quote Originally Posted by oldster View Post
    I am not convinced he is innocent.
    I am convinced there is a problem
    In this, we agree. However...

    Quote Originally Posted by oldster View Post
    Your statement 'where is the evidence the guy didn't do it' is at odds with that.
    You forget one thing. I am not a Judge. I maybe have a different standard for evidence than a Judge requires. This show is trying to prove this guy not guilty in an arena that isn't a court of law. It is roundly biased in favor of him, and i am failing to see anything that tells me to believe he didn't kill that woman. And i can demand any standard of evidence i want. I am not a judge. For a TV show that's trying to prove a man innocent, to me they are doing a poor job of it. (I have google at my fingertips, i can find the information the show left out).

    No documentary will tell you everything. I liked Blackfish (And i agree with its general message), but that one only told you about Tilikum, the psycho killer whale that keeps eating people. Not the nice Orca Seaworld has. Agendas, agendas...
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    Default Re: So i'm watching "Making a Murderer" on Netflix.

    There's obvious corruption among the Law Enforcement in Wisconsin. That is pretty plain to see.
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    Default Re: So i'm watching "Making a Murderer" on Netflix.

    Well now you got me re-interested in this whole case lol.

    If you google the whole 'sweat DNA' thing you can read where they say that there is no such thing as DNA specifically from perspiration. Kratz is saying that to make Avery seem guilty, but they don't know where the DNA comes from exactly. So yes that DNA could have also been planted just like the blood in her car.

    Also, how did they not find any DNA in his house if he supposedly raped her and slit her throat on his bed and shot her? They just find one perfectly placed bullet with her DNA but no DNA anywhere else from her. His house was such a mess it's hard to believe he could have cleaned up every spot of DNA in there. And why did it take so long to find a perfectly placed key lying on the floor if they had the whole place blocked off to 'search for evidence'?

    Then like I said before, the cop clearly finding the car before anyone claimed to have found it yet is suspicious and so is the ex & brother referring to her in the past tense. Also, the ex & brother both may have deleted her voicemails because they claimed to have access to them and then all of a sudden her full voicemail box was empty.

    Oh and the evidence from his past 'crime' was tampered with. Someone had access to his blood vile and that is another red flag.

    The whole thing is suspicious. Yes 'bones were found' but that really doesn't mean Avery did it lol. Looking back at the whole case and all of the 'evidence' clearly points to Avery being framed in my opinion. In any other case where a woman is murdered any spouse/boyfriend/ex boyfriend is one of the number one suspects.. especially one who refers to the woman in the past tense when she is still only missing. So it is weird they never questioned him as being a suspect in this case and immediately placed all blame on Avery.

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    Default Re: So i'm watching "Making a Murderer" on Netflix.

    I saw the original story on Investigation Discovery, how that poor woman was attacked on the beach by some scumbag who was later arrested for committing another violent crime, and sentenced to 60 years. But Steven Avery was the one who was arrested and spent 18 years for a crime he did not commit. I cannot say for sure if Steven is guilty or innocent of the crime he is currently in prison for...but I know much has been said about him.

    A former girlfriend of his did an interview saying that he was very abusive towards her during their relationship. It was said that as a child he would torture animal, which is consistent with sociopathic behaviors. I know he was in and out of jail for petty crimes during his young adult years. Its very possible he did in fact kill that poor young woman as retaliation for being wrongfully convicted. When people with certain predispositions become very angry, it can be very, very dangerous.

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