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    Hi I was advised to join your site as I am looking for some advise on how to leave internet modeling I have been with them almost a year working on streamate and can't take anymore them having 15% it is annoying me so much i am thinking of joining another site but I love streamate so much and am doing really well on there, can anyone help or is there nothing I can do other than leave and wait the year to sign back up or just put up with the 20%

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    See if Katy Boleyn's daily pay service (Streamate is one of the sites on the list) could help you out:
    https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...tantPay-Thread
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    Most of the loopholes and tricks that used to work no longer do. If you stream with them for more than a week, they have their hooks into you.

    You have two basic options:
    1) Email Janet Ross to have you switched to a better rate...not sure what that rate is, but at least you can recoup something.
    2) Email Streamate support to close your account. Work everywhere else for a year (there's a few good options and combinations of options). Come back to a clean fresh SM account after you do your time in the holding pen.

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    Contact a lawyer. Non-compete contracts are actually completely void in certain states. Washington (where SM is based) is in the middle of trying to overturn the ability for enforcement of non-compete agreements due to the tech company boom. They're starting to lose companies to Silicon valley because it's not enforceable there and many smaller and mid-sized companies are taking advantage of that fact.

    here's an interesting article on the subject at hand: http://reedlongyearlaw.com/blog/non-...enforceable-2/

    Another point is that their non-compete clause causes a serious restriction of your ability to work as an independent contractor. There are cases that have been won by independent contractors in the past for back pay for the duration of their non-compete (essentially meaning they'd have to pay you your monthly average for the full 12 months you weren't allowed to cam on SM, which would kind of be awesome). here's another article on the subject: http://mercerlawpllc.com/noncompetes...96966552734375

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    Legally its not a real "non-compete", its just simply a site policy. You are free to cam anywhere else you wish, just not on that particular site.

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    Ok Thankyou, I am from GB so don't know if that lawyer thing would work and seems a lot to go through and expense? I mean is it greedy to want the full 35% if im hitting a good £1000 a week? it still irks me though cause of how low the % is for a cam girl but then im guessing the traffic is good maybe even better than other places so losing 15% may not be working out THAT bad? I dunno there must be a silver lining than quitting completely, saying that ive been looking at livejasmin and may open an account with them soon if i can, loooks like id need to up my game with them though since everything needs to be so professional looking to do well on there!

    I have emailed Janet and attempted to see if there is a higher rate after being with them for so long or frequently hitting the bonuses, will see how that one goes xo

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    Please remember that when you are getting 20% instead of 35% of the gross amount, you are actually receiving around 43% less money than you normally would. Same as when KinkLive sold us I lost third of the pay, going from 45 to 30. As F4F - the buyer - didn't work for me I went to SM.
    If I were you I'd try other sites untill I lost new model status on them to see what I can realistically make on say AW or Cams. If Jasmin doesn't work out there are still options. It's only a year and you've already proved you have it in you!

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    If you're hitting £1000 a week on SM with IM, you've clearly got your shit together as a model, and can bring the customers in. Sign up for a bunch of other sites as an experiment before closing your SM account, what have you got to lose? See if you like the other sites. You can try them side by side.


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    Don't even bother contacting IM. Contact Vanessa @ Streamate, tell her you wish to close her account.
    Now, you wait 6 months until you get to work on SM again. In the mean time work on other websites.
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    I'm going to hate leaving streamate because I love it so much but I guess I can't be affording to be losing out that much long time so in the long run I guess waiting the 6 months or year period and working elsewhere would be worth it. I'll try a few sites along side until I click with one, probably Adult Work and then I will close my account and just wait it out, ugh it's so horrible that you can't just say you want to restart your account in that period of time but still work with them as I enjoy that site so much.

    What are the other good sites, someone said cam.com but isn't that run by streamate because I appear on there too? Adult work seems the best bet, I don't like the tacky layout really of chaturbate and MFC where they let you masturbate in free chat.. prefer classier looking sites any ideas? xo

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    Thanks guys I am doing pretty well I guess so I have thought again and decided I can't face deleting my account because either way im building followers and some people send me their email address anyway so i can still poach people from there for skypes which will increase my money and besides internet modeling do a bonus thing where if you make $2000 you make 30% of that on top which would mean technically they will then only be taking 10% which yes can work out a gooood few hundred but if im earning well I guess its just a sacrifice ill have to make and ive decided to start working on AW and cams.com too rather than sticking to once site ill start networking so should all work out ok in the end

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatieJJJ View Post
    Thanks guys I am doing pretty well I guess so I have thought again and decided I can't face deleting my account because either way im building followers and some people send me their email address anyway so i can still poach people from there for skypes which will increase my money and besides internet modeling do a bonus thing where if you make $2000 you make 30% of that on top which would mean technically they will then only be taking 10% which yes can work out a gooood few hundred but if im earning well I guess its just a sacrifice ill have to make and ive decided to start working on AW and cams.com too rather than sticking to once site ill start networking so should all work out ok in the end
    I think you will regret it later on if you wont drop your studio right now
    Some years ago I was in the smae situation (signed up through a studio, not internet modeling though) I quit broadcasting when I found out and waited the 6 months... Best decision I ever made.. On sm you are allready giving away a high %... "greedy to want 35%?" You would be a fool not want to have that 35%!!
    Offcourse making £1000 a week is great, but think about the money your just throwing away... What if you manage to double or tripple that?! Suck big balls to give so much money away for nothing in return

    AND it SUCKS even more to wait a half year, build a following and to try to leave internet modeling after all that work.. and starting up from scratch...
    Guys giving out emails happens a lot. turning them into actual paying customers afterwards is STILL an hustle

    The real sacrifice is not what you are experiencing now, it will be later on when you make a whole lot more money and you wanna kick youreself in the butt for not leaving earlier..
    sacrificing 6 months for a lot more money for years and years to come working streamate without studio
    or sacrificing your % and work for less money all years to come
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    I know, you are right, since i realised how much i'll be losing it has been stressing me big time cause if i hit that £2000 a week which realistically could happen cause i get top gold shows every night, I work damn hard, my hustle game is good i talk dirty constantly, dance even risquee stuff like dancing on my balcony, im starting to do anal and want to be full time 40 hours a week so in reality that means I will be giving IM £900 a week!!!! That is an awful lot thats £3600 a month, sickening, that can pay for sooo much and there is no way on earth i would make that up in either Skype shows or camming elsewhere.

    I wish it was 6 months though, internet modelling are the WORST, its 12 months!! Does anyone know if after that 12 months you can re-register with your same model name and still get your favourites back or is it brand new?

    Is there any other site where my earning potential could be as good keeping in mind i do best on GOLD SHOWS - does any other site do Gold Shows or something similar.. should I work alongside for the time being and get comfortable with a site and get my earnings up and then leave? ah its a full on nightmare and on top of that i just boiled my toys to death and they have melted.. more expense lol! Theres always one thing after another it seems no matter how much you earn its never enough!!! But then I try to think if i didnt have the balls to do this id still be on £300 a week max going nowhere and no progression, so try to stay grounded and thats the only reason i mentioned the greedy thing but really camming isn't easy, its hard work, lots of other expenses, your really putting yourself out there especially in my case everyone knows what i do, got leaked videos etc so we DESERVE all we can get ! ANy advice on your other fave sites and their best features would be great xo

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatieJJJ View Post
    What are the other good sites, someone said cam.com but isn't that run by streamate because I appear on there too? Adult work seems the best bet, I don't like the tacky layout really of chaturbate and MFC where they let you masturbate in free chat.. prefer classier looking sites any ideas? xo

    No, models use Streamray.com to log into their Cams model account. That's probably what you're thinking of. There are threads on here that list the different cam sites, and there are threads dedicated to each one of those sites.
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    I'm in the same boat Katie finishing out this week because one of my regulars said he had money he needs to burn out there and then I'm done with IM and SM for the year. I may not come back to SM, their response to my email inquiry was pretty shitty. Its bad enough customers think cam girls are uneducated idiots, but when your employer condescends to you, its best to cut all ties, IMO. Being attractive, horny AND intelligent are not mutually exclusive. So on to different sites. Big thanks to Katy and Mr. Katy for so many options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KatyBoleyn View Post
    Legally its not a real "non-compete", its just simply a site policy. You are free to cam anywhere else you wish, just not on that particular site.
    Isn't the very definition off a non-compete just that? Not being able to work somewhere due to a contract stating that it would be in competition with whatever company you sign with? The argument could quite easily be made that, because they aren't doing anything proprietary except holding your brand name, they can't enforce their contract if you change your camming name.

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    say your private rate is $5.99 a minute.

    $5.99/min x .35 = $2.09/min
    $5.99/min x .20 = $1.19/min


    At first that doesn't look like much. But that's quite a difference.
    Say you are in a 10 minute show. At 35%, you would make $20.90. Now with LM's percentage, you instead get $11.90


    Math doesn't lie baby. You will pretty much be doubling your income.


    if you were making $1k a week with IM. In reality you could be making like $1,750

    $1,000 / .20 = $5,000
    $5,000 x .35 = $1,750
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    Quote Originally Posted by caramelcraze View Post
    Isn't the very definition off a non-compete just that? Not being able to work somewhere due to a contract stating that it would be in competition with whatever company you sign with? The argument could quite easily be made that, because they aren't doing anything proprietary except holding your brand name, they can't enforce their contract if you change your camming name.
    Non-compete refers to working for or with a competitor. The idea behind it being, if you left company Z for company X and both companies are in the same industry, produce, sell or market similar services or goods; proprietary information could be shared. Its not like Google saying you can't go work for Yahoo. Its Google saying you cant come back and work for us or our affiliates or subsidiaries for X number of years, if at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by foxxxydiva View Post
    Non-compete refers to working for or with a competitor. The idea behind it being, if you left company Z for company X and both companies are in the same industry, produce, sell or market similar services or goods; proprietary information could be shared. Its not like Google saying you can't go work for Yahoo. Its Google saying you cant come back and work for us or our affiliates or subsidiaries for X number of years, if at all.
    That's just my point... the only proprietary thing IM could possibly claim as their own would be her cam name. She would technically be competing with IM if she continued to use her cam name on SM, as they would be losing money that they had previously earned by marketing her name through their company. Legally they could hold on to that but (and stop me if i'm wrong) they don't have any other proprietary information that is unique to their company that any other cam model couldn't figure out by camming.

    It's like having a product that gets marketed by a company that gets your product on QVC by simply going to the qvc website and putting in a request. If you come up with a new product under a different brand name (ie completely unaffiliated to your last product)& directly request with QVC that your new product be picked up on their show, the previous marketing company would have one hell of a time in court trying to go after you. It's not like they own the QVC sign up page.

    sorry for the sucky analogy... they aren't my strong suit. bottom line is that she should at least have a lawyer look over the contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caramelcraze View Post
    That's just my point... the only proprietary thing IM could possibly claim as their own would be her cam name. She would technically be competing with IM if she continued to use her cam name on SM, as they would be losing money that they had previously earned by marketing her name through their company. Legally they could hold on to that but (and stop me if i'm wrong) they don't have any other proprietary information that is unique to their company that any other cam model couldn't figure out by camming.

    It's like having a product that gets marketed by a company that gets your product on QVC by simply going to the qvc website and putting in a request. If you come up with a new product under a different brand name (ie completely unaffiliated to your last product)& directly request with QVC that your new product be picked up on their show, the previous marketing company would have one hell of a time in court trying to go after you. It's not like they own the QVC sign up page.

    sorry for the sucky analogy... they aren't my strong suit. bottom line is that she should at least have a lawyer look over the contract.
    OK. Like I said before, I actually contacted SM. Per them you can not switch until your contract is up as that is THEIR agreement with IM. IM agrees to supply models, SM agrees to not poach and honor their agreement with IM. They addressed this issue in such a piss poor, condescending manor, even if I did have my lawyer look into it and I could get out of my contract, I dont want to. The tone of the email was so demeaning and it seemed like SM was upset I had the stones to even attempt to switch to being a direct model with them. Unfortunate really, a little customer services goes a long way.

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    And i wasnt saying that there was ACTUAL proprietary information. Just explaining why non competes exist and why IM and SM dont actually have a non compete. Non competes relate to employees. Even though we arent employees, we are still free to cam where ever. IF IM said you cant work on MFC while you work for us, thats a non compete.

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    Thanks guys I am doing pretty well I guess so I have thought again and decided I can't face deleting my account because either way im building followers and some people send me their email address anyway so i can still poach people from there for skypes which will increase my money and besides internet modeling do a bonus thing where if you make $2000 you make 30% of that on top which would mean technically they will then only be taking 10% which yes can work out a gooood few hundred but if im earning well I guess its just a sacrifice ill have to make and ive decided to start working on AW and cams.com too rather than sticking to once site ill start networking so should all work out ok in the end
    You can work anywhere you want. That non-compete shit is just that.. all BS. I've been doing this since 2007 and NEVER had a single site enforce the non-compete crap. I've left sites then within days come back with a new name. I have tried a studio (EnticeLive) and loved it because they didn't take a cut of my money. I left ImLive as an independent (Diamond Model) and went to them because I loved the way Tracy worked with all her models. She was very attentive and supportive. I did have to change my name but that was no big deal because I used all the same pics for my old name and my guys easily found me because my new name was VERY similar to my old name. I left the studio when they started having problems processing my direct deposits in a timely manner. Other than that I would have stayed with them because I think the world of Tracy.

    I have accounts on multiple sites, some of which are all the same model name. I also created my own website so that when some of the guys who didn't follow me look up any of my old model names it pulls up my website. The studios like to "threaten" models with the non-compete bullshit, but that's all any of it is. If you're not an employee then they can't control what you do when you leave. From what you say you have one hell of a following. Go to another site as an independent with the same name, yes it can be done, been there done it with NO problems. Just make sure it is not the same site your studio had you on. If you have a problem creating an account with the exact same name you had on streamate on a different site, just create a new one with a small variation. Here's what I did. When I left the studio and went back to ImLive I went from LolaNParadise to LolaIsParadise. In doing that, when my guys went looking for me on ImLive they would get any model that has Lola in their name, thus my new account was pulled up. If you have an email database, put that puppy to work for you. Send them messages letting them know of the transition you plan on making. They will follow you and/or find you. If you have Twitter blast it all the time. REMEMBER google is your friend and theirs. Use the time to create an indy site of your own so you can keep all your money. You're welcome to check out my site anytime. I even have a couple other models on my site who are with ImLive. If you have any questions or just want some advice shoot me a message.
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    Yeah when your earning well it can work out 50% of your earnings your losing with a studio, craaaazy! Well ive set up LJ heard its crap so doubt that will go down well, also got my Adult Work profile created so i'll start that one soon and tbf i'm thinking of just joining a good few now and trying them all out. Im so used to streamate and love it but i cant leave it til im settled with another cause its like my fallback where i feel comfortable to at least make enough to get me by pretty easily. I could attemp leaving and registering with a different name but heard that doesn't work anymore and if you do get caught with 2 accounts its a permanent ban.

    I sent them a SM an email about leaving, gosh I hope they aren't rude back, they must have more invested in IM than we think and thats why they get arsey about it and aren't willing or maybe even able to help us. Well if this never happened i wouldnt be spreading my wings and trying other sites so thats got to be a good thing? especially for gaining more followers since SM never let you share private info so my twitter following is low which means no chance of going indy for me.

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    What studio are you with?

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    Cam sites heavily depend upon studios, they are NOT going to ruin that contract to the studio for a model. Hence why a girl has to wait 6 months to 1 year before she can sign back up. While you maybe bringing in good money, a studio consistantly will be signing up new girls & have a bunch of girls camming.

    You do take a risk in openly stealing custies from SM in them not letting you sign back up. You aren't stealing customers from the studio but from SM.

    This is why it is important to be very active in having a social media account so that your guys can follow you where ever you go.

    There are plenty of threads on all the cam sites here on SW for you to read up on.

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