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    Default A nice way of asking for $30/song instead of $20?

    This last year I've rented a booth from the club and have given guys the option (once standing) "We have a couple options, the couches for $20/song or the VIP behind the stage for $30, it'll just be me and you back there." (It's not really that private but you aren't sharing a couch with other guys and saying that works 90% of the time)

    My problem? One girl was being dirty and now everyone's lease has been terminated, no refund (I was about to pay $1500 to renew!!! phew).

    Guys have no problem paying $30/song at my club as long as it's not simply because I'm more expensive than everyone else, so how can I phrase, my price is $30/song, without sounding like a hustler and without the added semi-intimacy of the booth?

    I don't lie about the song count and I'm never demanding so I don't know how to keep my income without the $30/song.
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    Default Re: A nice way of asking for $30/song instead of $20?

    Quote Originally Posted by tatiana_vislovic View Post
    This last year I've rented a booth from the club and have given guys the option (once standing) "We have a couple options, the couches for $20/song or the VIP behind the stage for $30, it'll just be me and you back there." (It's not really that private but you aren't sharing a couch with other guys and saying that works 90% of the time)

    My problem? One girl was being dirty and now everyone's lease has been terminated, no refund (I was about to pay $1500 to renew!!! phew).

    Guys have no problem paying $30/song at my club as long as it's not simply because I'm more expensive than everyone else, so how can I phrase, my price is $30/song, without sounding like a hustler and without the added semi-intimacy of the booth?

    I don't lie about the song count and I'm never demanding so I don't know how to keep my income without the $30/song.
    sounds like one of the places i work at. never rented a booth myself but if it were me i would be pretty straight up and say that i rented out a private space for the night (year might sound like you're a "hustler" or a "pro" which it sounds like you don't want to come across that way..). tell them everything else that you said and also possibly mention that some girls charge the same in the regular dance area- so they're getting a deal. just offhandedly let them know that *you* are getting charged more, and therefore *have* to charge them more, but focus more on the privacy and what they're getting for that extra money.

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    Default Re: A nice way of asking for $30/song instead of $20?

    I can't rent the booth anymore, so now all the guys who are used to it are going to pay me $20 since we're on the main floor. I could just work the VIP so that I'm not seen giving $20 lapdances on the main floor, but still, I was making a lot of money and wanted to keep that up.

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    Default Re: A nice way of asking for $30/song instead of $20?

    You could ask for tips, but this probably won't get you a consistent $30/song, since most guys ime cap out around a 20% tip. 50% tip would probably be pushing it.

    If you have a fair chunk of spanish speaking guys in your club, I've seen girls go so far as to double the price of dances if they were fluent enough to carry a conversation in the language, though most just tack on an extra $10-15, plus tip. No doubt actually speaking the same language helps with the negotiating process.

    If you feel you have more to offer, or something that sets you apart and makes you unique in someway in your club, you could latch onto that and charge more with that in mind.I.e., you role play, or you're really good at delivering a super sensual experience (sans extras). Which leads into the next idea...

    Something I've sometimes done, depending on the club and the availability of VIP or lackthereof, is offer two tiers of dances and ask the guys which one they want. "We have a couple options here. Would you like a $10 dance, or a $20 dance?" or "Would you like a $20 dance, or the 3/100 experience?" The implication (and if they go for the cheaper one, definitely the result) is that the more expensive dance is "better" somehow. It doesn't need to mean more contact, but it could, just because the cheap dance should be less. You're not working harder to make one dance better, you're just toning down and limiting the menu of things you can do in the other dance option. Keep it sexy, but held back. If you can nail it down just right where you dance close to them and then dance away, and then close, and then away... and time it so the song ends right when you're coming in again, or already in so the dance is at it's "peak" so to speak, you can usually get them to buy several more, if not upgrade. Upgrading is easier if you find some way to remind them that this is the cheapest/worst dance option you offer, and the next level up isn't that much more expensive, but it's definitely better.

    EDIT: I usually start out with the more expensive dance option, fwiw, and ask if they want that, not even mentioning the cheaper option(s). If they ask something like "Aren't dances only $20?" I find some way to confirm that's usually something like "If you just want a $20 dance to start, I can give you a $20 dance, but it's not going to be as good as the $$$ option," with the latter portion definitely more implied more than outright stated.

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    Default Re: A nice way of asking for $30/song instead of $20?

    I'm an engineer working on my masters degree in a tech town, I also come up with ways to be sensual and interesting so I definitely have something that differentiates me and that's why I'm always busy and always having a good day (and if I'm not I'll still say I am and look excited to be there and eventually I'll break a grand).

    I speak Spanish, and a little bit of Tamil, Farsi, Urdu/Hindi, Russian, etc... enough to play around anyways, but I find most guys that only speak Spanish love that I'm a white girl that speaks Spanish but they don't have enough money for me to spend time with them, they max out around 1-3 songs and some are very difficult and will ask for a dance and then say, I don't like this song...

    I primarily dance for IT and Software guys and Electrical engineers, they love that I understand them. The rest of my clientele are guys who want someone more sensual and for them the privacy is appreciated without them instantly going for my crotch, so all very good clients and even the cheap Indian guys oblige when I tell them I'm 30/song and I dance in the booth because I don't like being in the orgy pit with everyone else.

    I think I'm going to have to do what you are saying with the 2 levels of service and just avoid thigh to crotch contact (it's expected at our club) in the $20 dance, and make it more of an air dance but also straddle and be sensual with no contact.
    But additionally I may be able to bargin with the mgmt to get 15 min booth for $30 and charge $180, 30 mins for $60 charge $300 and hour for $100 charge $550, and then just work harder at selling my time on the floor. We can do by the song, or we could find a corner somewhere and go by the time $500/hr, $250/half, $150/quarter, a booth is $50 extra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatiana_vislovic View Post
    I'm an engineer working on my masters degree in a tech town, I also come up with ways to be sensual and interesting so I definitely have something that differentiates me and that's why I'm always busy and always having a good day (and if I'm not I'll still say I am and look excited to be there and eventually I'll break a grand).

    I speak Spanish, and a little bit of Tamil, Farsi, Urdu/Hindi, Russian, etc... enough to play around anyways, but I find most guys that only speak Spanish love that I'm a white girl that speaks Spanish but they don't have enough money for me to spend time with them, they max out around 1-3 songs and some are very difficult and will ask for a dance and then say, I don't like this song...

    I primarily dance for IT and Software guys and Electrical engineers, they love that I understand them. The rest of my clientele are guys who want someone more sensual and for them the privacy is appreciated without them instantly going for my crotch, so all very good clients and even the cheap Indian guys oblige when I tell them I'm 30/song and I dance in the booth because I don't like being in the orgy pit with everyone else.

    I think I'm going to have to do what you are saying with the 2 levels of service and just avoid thigh to crotch contact (it's expected at our club) in the $20 dance, and make it more of an air dance but also straddle and be sensual with no contact.
    But additionally I may be able to bargin with the mgmt to get 15 min booth for $30 and charge $180, 30 mins for $60 charge $300 and hour for $100 charge $550, and then just work harder at selling my time on the floor. We can do by the song, or we could find a corner somewhere and go by the time $500/hr, $250/half, $150/quarter, a booth is $50 extra.
    what level of contact are you ok with? is the booth rental for the night or just for an hour? if it's for the night, i would think it's worth it to just rent it by the night, at least on the busy nights.

    also, what i often do is say 20 for no touching dances or 30 for "a little bit" of touching. this only works in clubs where milage varies and if you're ok with some contact. the only problem with this is that 1 out of 5 guys don't hear me when i say " a little bit" and think that because they are paying more, they should get to violently grope me for the entire dance. those guys are usually a waste of time anyways and i finish with them after one song.

    i like doing it this way because if i go around saying 20 a song without elaborating on the rules, i end up fighting hands away anyways. better to get 30 for it instead of 20.

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    Default Re: A nice way of asking for $30/song instead of $20?

    You might advertise the $20 option as a low/extremely limited contact option, and if they ask for details, just stick to your side of the contact-giving and describe something close to an airdance/actually just an air dance. With the $30 option, you can list off a couple moves you do as examples. "Things get more interesting with that one. We can do body slides or some waves, for example." or even just leave it at "more interesting," but by focusing on what you do in the different options, you cover your butt a bit more in case you're about to get busted for selling sexual contact ("You can touch my boobs/pussy/whathaveyou") and having to deal with a prostitution charge. I know, I'm probably ridiculously paranoid, but I'd rather be paranoid than in jail with a record. Plus, the customer might be one where if you don't explicitly tell him he can touch you when he asks about the more expensive dance option, he'll just assume it's not on the table. If that's the case, no reason to offer more than you have to, or encourage bad behavior. He probably won't be, but every now and then one of those will show up and they're a godsend -- no need to spoil it with grope-fests before you need to, if you ever do.

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    Default Re: A nice way of asking for $30/song instead of $20?

    Quote Originally Posted by Girl Anachronism View Post
    what level of contact are you ok with? is the booth rental for the night or just for an hour? if it's for the night, i would think it's worth it to just rent it by the night, at least on the busy nights.

    also, what i often do is say 20 for no touching dances or 30 for "a little bit" of touching. this only works in clubs where milage varies and if you're ok with some contact. the only problem with this is that 1 out of 5 guys don't hear me when i say " a little bit" and think that because they are paying more, they should get to violently grope me for the entire dance. those guys are usually a waste of time anyways and i finish with them after one song.

    i like doing it this way because if i go around saying 20 a song without elaborating on the rules, i end up fighting hands away anyways. better to get 30 for it instead of 20.
    It is 1500 for the year, which is less than half of what I pay in cheap house fees working 1-2 nights a week, so it's a good deal if a girl hadn't been caught being dirty which got everyone's lease terminated.

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