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    Hey everyone, I am new here and i've been a cam girl before on MyFreeCams and was pretty successful but don't have the time to commit to long nights and taking shots like all of my white knight tippers wanted to do.

    I want to start escorting as it seems much less of a time commitment...

    I couldn't find a thread on "In-Call Risks" or something of that nature, so what exactly is my legal exposure if I were to run an in-call in my condo (which is secured) or a hotel?

    What should I look out for?

    Thanks in advance for any and all responses...

    -Jazmine

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    You need to focus on prevention. Preventing an arrest, preventing a meeting with an axe murder..etc. I wouldn't worry about legalities because once your system has broken down and the cop is in your apartment, there's nothing you can do. From my understanding, incall is illegal here in the US. Outcall has some loopholes. I would consult with an adult entertainment attorney if you're concerned. However, a lot of us have two apartments and have been doing this safely for a long time. It can be done. You just have to keep your nose clean and screen your ass off.
    A few tips...
    1. Never give out your address via email, via text - like ever. Always call them and give them the address over the phone. You do not want someone's wife tracking you down.
    2. I personally do not see more than 3 a day. If it's after 5pm, remember the neighbors are now home. You don't want to call attention to yourself.
    3. I always crack the door when I'm expecting someone so people aren't constantly knocking on my door. Again, don't want to call attention to yourself.
    4. Never tell another lady where you work out of. I don't care how close you get with someone. It's never none of their business. Lots of ladies have been tracked down this way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbsmgirl View Post
    You need to focus on prevention. Preventing an arrest, preventing a meeting with an axe murder..etc. I wouldn't worry about legalities because once your system has broken down and the cop is in your apartment, there's nothing you can do. From my understanding, incall is illegal here in the US. Outcall has some loopholes. I would consult with an adult entertainment attorney if you're concerned. However, a lot of us have two apartments and have been doing this safely for a long time. It can be done. You just have to keep your nose clean and screen your ass off.
    A few tips...
    1. Never give out your address via email, via text - like ever. Always call them and give them the address over the phone. You do not want someone's wife tracking you down.
    2. I personally do not see more than 3 a day. If it's after 5pm, remember the neighbors are now home. You don't want to call attention to yourself.
    3. I always crack the door when I'm expecting someone so people aren't constantly knocking on my door. Again, don't want to call attention to yourself.
    4. Never tell another lady where you work out of. I don't care how close you get with someone. It's never none of their business. Lots of ladies have been tracked down this way.
    All of the above are great tips. That said I would not work out of my apartment with new clients. I have seen clients in my apartment, but I have to really know and trust a client before I give them any personal information.

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    As far as legal risks go, basically if you're going to get in trouble it's going to happen. I have heard of law enforcement coming to a ladies incall but she hadn't discussed any exchange of sex for money whatsoever. She stated she did nothing wrong and was given a ticket for something like "disturbing the peace" which is a minor infraction with a small fine and was left alone. Contact your local SWOP chapter and make sure you know your rights and what the laws are regarding soliciation (they vary from area to area).

    Obviously use a burner phone or confidential texting app. Be vague in your ads about your general area that your incall is located in. Gentleman will want to know, give them a nearby landmark.

    SCREEN, SCREEN, SCREEN your clients. Screening is the number one way to avoid law enforcement and dangerous individuals. I require first and last name, real cell phone number (no google voice or burner) and employment information that I discreetly verify via my own resources. I know some ladies accept references from other provider's but I no longer do because 1. the girls take so long to respond and 2. there's always a possibility a provider has been in trouble with law enforcement and is working with them to help her cause and bust other ladies in the process.

    Like the other lady mentioned above do a 2-call system. I confirm my appts. an hour prior to the client coming and I tell him where to park (landmark or just hotel name- NEVER give your hotel room number in advance) and to text me when he's parked. Once he texts me I call him and I give the address or room number verbally over the phone. I do this because you don't know if he has a crazy wife or girlfriend that looks through his texts, email or GPS and also if there is a chance you get in trouble there is no digital evidence of your address.

    Generally law enforcement will target the lower hanging fruit. If you check backpage right now there will be ladies offering 80/hr out of a hotel saying "available now" and 500/hr with a website that say they prebook their dates and don't do same day and they require screening. Who do you think will be easier for them to bust? The lower the volume and more upscale you can keep things the more you can lessen your risk. Although you can never lessen it to 0%

    Trust your gut, if a client wants a last minute appointment and seems pushy or weird, won't take no for an answer, you can't screen him properly, give him a call and see how he sounds on the phone. Is he giving you a bad vibe? it's always okay to tell him you're busy and to try again next week. Honestly in this business your instincts are the best form of protection you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JazmineDelight View Post
    Hey everyone, I am new here and i've been a cam girl before on MyFreeCams and was pretty successful but don't have the time to commit to long nights and taking shots like all of my white knight tippers wanted to do.

    I want to start escorting as it seems much less of a time commitment...

    I couldn't find a thread on "In-Call Risks" or something of that nature, so what exactly is my legal exposure if I were to run an in-call in my condo (which is secured) or a hotel?

    What should I look out for?

    Thanks in advance for any and all responses...

    -Jazmine
    you could lose your place depending on the law if you get arrested in your home. if you are screening properly I think it's actually safer than outcall.

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    Default Re: In-Call Risks

    I know this wasn't your question but couldn't you just take fake shots?

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    //slight threadjack

    Speaking honestly & not in a "Don't Hate Me Because I'm Beautiful" way...escorting is hard work. Keeping on top of crucial issues like medical care, book keeping & security will eat up all your spare time.

    When I traveled all the time to escort I actually had barely any time to work out or have recreational hobbies.

    On topic about the OP question about incall risks, I always say don't do incalls from home because the top 2 risks are a stalker you can't get rid of OR your landlord getting angry & evicting you OR siccing the cops on you. It's possible to do incalls from home but to me the risks outweigh the pluses.

    Also neighbors gossip. I live in the Midwest & trust me, people will gossip over nothing.

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    In-call risks: what city/housing situation do you live in? What is the foot traffic like in front of your building or street? You might think that 2 or 3 clients a day at your apartment is low traffic, but neighbors will absolutely notice if men visit the apartment of a young, attractive, single woman for 1 hour intervals multiple times a day. At best, you will look like you are running an illegal home business and according to how much free time or how obnoxious the housewives who live near you are, you could get the cops called on you. Are there retired, unemployed, stay-at-home-mom's, etc., living within sight of your front door? It's not discreet to have a man that is not known in the neighborhood show up at your home and stay for an hour. Even if it only happens let's say 3x a week, different man each time, someone could notice and call the cops on you.

    Do you have an alarm system in your home? Like, if a crazy client came in the middle of the night and tried to break in your window or door, would you be able to get any warning? I had a basic alarm system from ADT for ~$100/month when I did in-call. Also, if someone breaks into your house and the alarm is triggered, is there time for cops to respond before your personal safety is at risk? Do you live alone or with roommates? Any roommates or children are also at risk if your home is broken into by a client or stalker.

    Depending on your volume, if you are seeing just two clients in a day, let's say charging $400/client, you have $800 cash on hand each day. Are you going to deposit that each day? Do you have a place to put that cash that isn't the same physical location where you are seeing the client? You are opening yourself up to being robbed if you are seeing clients in your own home who are vaguely aware of how much cash you may have sitting around.

    You could try to stage your apartment that you live in as a work-only location. Meaning, get rid of all personal effects, photos, etc.

    When I worked out of my own condo, briefly, it was not a safe idea. I did it because I was young and naive about consequences and risks, but me not being harmed was just because of luck.

    Should your neighbors complain or mention to your landlord the strange foot traffic, you could be evicted, arrested, laptop/cash seized and never returned, etc. Plus, depending on your jurisdiction, lots of lawyer fees or a criminal record.

    You need to let someone know what you are doing and when you are having appointments so that if you don't check in with them, they can come and make sure you are ok. I had a two-story condo where I actually had a baby-monitor under my work room bed and a friend upstairs with the other monitor listening to make sure nothing crazy happened. Yeah, kind of a ridiculous set-up, but you can't just be alone and letting strangers into your home and hope for the best. I also screened as carefully as I could and never accepted last-minute appointments. I had pepper-spray, a knife, and a 'panic' button for my alarm system all hidden but within my reach in the work room I was in. You have to come up with some sort of security plan. Not saying that mine was necessarily clever, but it worked for me pretty well.

    I had someone flash a gun at me when I asked for my fee. At first I thought he was a cop, then realized he was trying to, like, threaten me into free sex or he would shoot me? This was a guy I had screened carefully, knew his full name, where he worked, etc. He started to choke me, friend from upstairs ran down and shouted something, I don't remember what, but the client bolted. 95% of clients were sweet, gentle, respectful. 5% were fucking crazy and it's up to you to screen them out and protect yourself. Some of the crazies show up anyways and then they know where you live and sleep.

    Nowadays, I have many reliable, generous regulars, so I don't advertise and I have a long-standing relationship with them so I don't mind them visiting my personal apartment. Holy shit was it sketchy in the beginning, though. Just be careful. Keep your rates high and screen as carefully as possible.

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    Wow so much great info! Theres a lot more to think about than I first realised. I need new ways to make money as i wont be able to dance for a while and this post has been so helpful, thanks girls

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    I just posted my own thread about screening... I'm new to escorting, but I used to be a cam model. I'm looking into offering incalls but not at my apartment, at a hotel. I've read mixed things about what kind of hotel to get. What are some considerations for offering hotel incall?

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    ^^its always that 5% who ruin everything in all aspects of life
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luckyguy09 View Post
    The incall risk is a client that will either try and rob you or kill you. I'm not going to sugar coat anything, escorting is very dangerous regardless if you're a male, female, or transsexual escort. Google the "craiglist killer" and let that escort tell you her story via the documentary.

    The safest method I have seen thus far is escorts who work with a friend out of the same hotel room. One person stays in the bathroom while the other one works. A few times I booked an escort and she had 2 other girls in the room.

    One duo was creative on the screening, I booked with one woman at a hotel and while I was waiting in the lobby another woman who I didn't recognize was actually monitoring me the whole time. I was being vetted and watched before I got a room number. It wasn't until the session was over the second woman from the lobby came out the bathroom.


    That is not the safest method! Prevention through screening is!!! If you let the wrong guy in now there are 2 ladies assaulted, robbed, dead or arrested or dead! A second provider monitoring you in the lobby did nothing to ensure anyone's safety either! Further Imho, it is NOT advisable to necessarily work so close with another Lady.
    1. It could possibly open you up to human trafficking among other prostitution related charges.
    2. It does not look good to MOST clients. How are you offering your guys a shower? Or what if they have to pee?? I think that comes across as unprofessional and "un"classy".
    3. If anything goes wrong with one of you it will likely affect the other. Ex. there will likely e a sting with the shoddy screening being advised so instead of arresting the one who accepted the call, they now have 2!
    4.More girls=more traffic, the need for more towels etc and more bs. You don't think a room with multiple girls and multiple men coming and going won't be noticed? And alternately the girls are loitering around the hotel? Also, do you want the responsibility for another woman's behavior, discretion or lack thereof?

    I sincerely advise you Ladies to NOT listen to men on these matters as they actually have ZERO experience working as an escort. And again I am asking you guys NOT to come here and give ill advised and low end business practices to new Ladies. Thanks!

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    I'm not sure what your purpose here is but mine is to give back to a community of Ladies that have helped me to safely navigate a lucrative but risky business. And the Women that frequented the board back when I found it would not have allowed anyone, particularly a man with his own implicit bias to come here and dispense wrong and dangerous advice.Your insistence in attempting to mansplain the intricacies of a business in which you have no real knowledge or experience is actually troubling and illustrative of why a new Escort should not listen to you a man but an experienced Escort. You have no knowledge of what screening actually entails nor do you have access to the tools and resources that Escorts do.

    Your sharing your experience of what "some" Escorts in your small local market do is not indicative of best practices that are applicable on a (inter)national level. This is equivalent to thinking that buying a burger at a few local stores qualifies you to tell someone how to start, run and manage a burger restaurant anywhere. You simply are not privy to the the knowledge, systems, resources, alliances etc that actual business owners are. I don't think you know what Escorts are really worried about you only know what you are told in that moment.

    Towels.... trivial to you but if one lady checks in is using 3x the normal amount of towels= red flag. The traffic of 2 Ladies clients and the Ladies themselves rotating in and out= red flag. A client realizes you have anyone freaking hiding in a bathroom or closet=red flag for them! I have seen that scenario mentioned in reviews and it is not looked upon kindly and I'm sure it affected their score. I called it a low end practice because please believe me, there is no way 2 women are sharing a room unless they can't afford to do better. I am not telling anyone how to work but I can speak about best practices to minimize the risk of encountering a problem client, arousing suspicion of hotel staff, turning off clients by not giving them a private session or running afoul of the law and turning any potential LE issue into a Federal Human Trafficking case. Imho, the only time 2 Ladies should be at one incall is if they are doing a doubles appointment.

    No every Woman doesn't have the street smarts that's why they are here researching and seeking the advice of experienced Women. We can offer assistance that you simply can not. Nor did I say don't trust other girls I said the opposite in fact but I am adamant in saying do not trust or listen to these men in this business! Working alone is not what makes Escorting risky it is violent, disrespectful men and the police period! If girls need to gain insight into their target markets there are ways to do it without your input. Further what I am advocating for here is not isolation but discretion, caution and common sense. Maybe you should refer the Ladies you know here to this board so they too can learn to run their businesses in a safer more discreet manner to.

    In closing, at least we do agree that Sex Work should be decriminalized. But please stop trying to give these Women advice thanks!

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